Same rules as the Bush-bashing thread, just substitute "Kerry" for "Bush". And...go!

Yay! Now we can have all the Kerry bashing in this thread, and not in about 8 different ones floating around allforums!

IMO a Moore bashing thread woul be a better idea since most conservatives seem to be more angry at Mike than at John !

Kerry sucks my dick!

Originally posted by Blibblob
Kerry sucks my dick!
Are you sure you don't mean Idioteque?

...

::runs::

Sucking dick? :confused:

Sucking dick?
This relates to Cheney :D
Maybe Robin too

Are you sure you don't mean Idioteque?
I didn't want to touch him because I though he was yours. Something happen that I wasn't aware of? :D

I just wish Kerry would share with the voters how he plans to pay for all the changes he promises.

That's easy Dan -- first he renegs on half of his promises, like all good politicians do and then he makes the top 2% pay their fair share. That way, half of the people are happy and half are unhappy and as we know from the 2000 election -- half is enough to get elected. See -- No Problem. :)

Dop

LOL :D now THATS politics!!!

I was reminded on the news that Clinton and Bush both made pre-electon promises to repair the Social Security system and did nothing once elected.

Has anyone heard Kerrys remarks on Social Security other than a promise not to privatize it?

I don't see any promises that would not be obtainable using the millions the government would save by rolling back the tax cut on America's over 200,000 a year club. Such things as education and healthcare reform...things like that will be more planning and structure than huge costs....As far as the social security the only thing I have heard from either side was that Kerry will not privitize it...but thats something interesting I would like to know...

I dont see why its OK to make the rich pay for everything. how about instead of raising taxes we just cut some of the insane amount of spending we make every year? the problems we have is not that we dont bring in enough money, because the federal government brings in an insane amount of money, we have problems because our government spending is out of control. Republican, democrat, whatever, they spend way to much money. stop making us pay for it and tighen your belt. soon enough the roll back of the upper 10% wont be enough and the out of control government will have to move to the next bracket. thats how it works. Personally I would rather hve the government in the hole then myself.

Good point, I think the fact and the trait of America overspending has really came to be an international characteriture for our country. I think in a way it is better to spend money on the things we need than let the those things go, to save money, but when it comes to government initiated "moon base" plans, and a lot of this insane things the senate is asking for...someones got to draw the line somewhere....

Dan

I think what you pointed out is Kerry's one and only statement on Social Security -- i'm not aware of anything he said recently.

Dop

For what it's worth, I went to www.johnkerry.com and researched his plan for social security....and heres what i found :


A Plan to Strengthen Social Security
Social Security Is A Lifeline For America's Seniors. 45 million Americans count on Social Security. Social Security represents 38 percent of the income of the elderly and lifts tens of millions of seniors above the poverty line. Currently, the poverty rate for seniors is 10.4 percent. Without Social Security it would be about 50 percent.

Social Security Faces Challenges - But They Are Manageable. Under current law, Social Security is projected to be solvent through 2042. Current law revenues would be sufficient to pay 73 percent of scheduled benefits after trust fund exhaustion in 2042.

The Three Pillars Of John Kerry's Approach To Strengthening Social Security:

Grow the economy. The Kerry-Edwards plan will jump-start growth today and invest in stronger long-run growth. A larger economy will be in a better position to pay for an increasing number of retirees.
Restore fiscal discipline. Social Security is part of the broader fiscal challenge facing America. The Kerry-Edwards plan will cut the deficit in half and restore fiscal discipline to Washington.
Bipartisan Process. Historically, successful reforms of Social Security and Medicare - like in 1983 and 1997 - have been accomplished on a bipartisan basis. As president, John Kerry will build on his strong record of working with Democrats and Republicans on fiscal issues to address Social Security's challenge.

John Kerry Will Never Balance The Budget On The Backs Of America's Seniors. As president, John Kerry will not raise Social Security taxes, raise the retirement age, cut benefits for people that rely on Social Security, or privatize Social Security. He will consider making sure that high-income beneficiaries don't get more out than they pay in.

What caused his father to
Commit Suicide, ???

Originally posted by jerejerebinks

The Three Pillars Of John Kerry's Approach To Strengthening Social Security:

Grow the economy. The Kerry-Edwards plan will jump-start growth today and invest in stronger long-run growth. A larger economy will be in a better position to pay for an increasing number of retirees.
Restore fiscal discipline. Social Security is part of the broader fiscal challenge facing America. The Kerry-Edwards plan will cut the deficit in half and restore fiscal discipline to Washington.
Bipartisan Process. Historically, successful reforms of Social Security and Medicare - like in 1983 and 1997 - have been accomplished on a bipartisan basis. As president, John Kerry will build on his strong record of working with Democrats and Republicans on fiscal issues to address Social Security's challenge.


Ugh. That's every candidate's plan for fixing everything. How are we going to fix this SS hole we have? Grow the economy. Pay for Bush's tax cuts? Grow the economy. I think every President or presidential candidate has used that one - and they all rely on the best-case scenario when they crunch the numbers. No wonder we're in trouble.

Originally posted by TheAuthenticFan
Speaking of John Kerry What caused his father to
Commit Suicide, ??? I wasn't aware that his father commited suicide, I thought both his parents died of cancer???

I am not suprised that Kerry promises not to raise the age of Social Security recipients. You young guy have to wait now until 70 years of age.
No living reason to raise it further than that.

The youth of today should pressure for the age to once again be 65 years of age.
Of course it is hard to finance political wars and help American citizens at the same time.

Kerry is being bashed in a new pro-bush campaign ad, by a bunch of imposters that are claiming they served with Kerry and know he never earned any of his medals and that he did not serve honorably.

McCain calls them on it -- BWAhahahahaha -- the imposters are being called out by another war hero. McCain says not one of the vets in the ad ever served a single day with Kerry, therefore the entire ad is a complete lie. Team bush says they know nothing about it.

here's the link --

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/9327026.htm?1c

ROTFLMAO -- Dop

Ugh. That's every candidate's plan for fixing everything. How are we going to fix this SS hole we have? Grow the economy. Pay for Bush's tax cuts? Grow the economy.

Too bad no one really has the guts to shrink the government. Cutting taxes would be the first step to doing that, and Bush did just that, but I don't believe he has really followed through and cut government spending enough.

Originally posted by Karankawa
Too bad no one really has the guts to shrink the government. Cutting taxes would be the first step to doing that, and Bush did just that, but I don't believe he has really followed through and cut government spending enough.

Exactly - shrinking the government is the answer, but then you can't buy votes!

As far as Bush goes, I don't think he's cut spending at all!

Here is an idea, Why dont we invest in our children and present college students afterall they are the future, the seniors are just the past. We need to get ahead, are 65 and 70 year olds gonna help with that?

John Kerry needs to focus on giving the seniors what they need and giving kids and college students what they need to succeed.

We could take money from the lotteries and put it toward free tuition at public colleges?


I know I just ticked off all the seniors in the room.

Originally posted by ConservativeMan
Here is an idea, Why dont we invest in our children and present college students afterall they are the future, the seniors are just the past. We need to get ahead, are 65 and 70 year olds gonna help with that?

It's not, but they vote, so they get all the money.

Originally posted by Travh20
I dont see why its OK to make the rich pay for everything. how about instead of raising taxes we just cut some of the insane amount of spending we make every year? the problems we have is not that we dont bring in enough money, because the federal government brings in an insane amount of money, we have problems because our government spending is out of control. Republican, democrat, whatever, they spend way to much money. stop making us pay for it and tighen your belt. soon enough the roll back of the upper 10% wont be enough and the out of control government will have to move to the next bracket. thats how it works. Personally I would rather hve the government in the hole then myself. damn travh..........great points.....oh, i dont mean to sound suprised......lol

Originally posted by Blibblob
Kerry sucks my dick! he does..?........is that you in overdoses picture ?.....im proud of you man, coming out of the closet can be taxing, but you should have let kerry come out on HIS own........lol

Free tuition??? ROTFLMAO

Not under any republican administration. The only way to get enough cannon fodder for their oil wars is to keep the citizens dumbed-down to the point they can't get a job and that forces them to enlist just to get 3 hots and a cot.

Another angle, of course, is to send the jobs to India which this president is really good at (73,000/month on average) and once again the younger crowd has to enlist just to eat.

So vote for Bush
4 more years -- 4 more wars

LMAO

DOp

I dont think Kerry would do much better, he will probably follow the Clinton example and downsize the military.

I would say that the democrats are more concerned with ticking off the senior citizen contingent than the people currently graduating and working. These are the people who we should be concentrating on. Sr's have worked and are now retired, give them what they need as I said a prescription drug plan is all fine and good, when you make the drug prices reasonable because those prices are funding research for more and more diseases. The people graduating and working now are the future.

Free tuition is possible, just take it from gambling monies and lottery do something good with that cash.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Free tuition??? ROTFLMAO

Not under any republican administration. The only way to get enough cannon fodder for their oil wars is to keep the citizens dumbed-down to the point they can't get a job and that forces them to enlist just to get 3 hots and a cot.

Another angle, of course, is to send the jobs to India which this president is really good at (73,000/month on average) and once again the younger crowd has to enlist just to eat.

So vote for Bush
4 more years -- 4 more wars

LMAO

DOp damn good dop

Kerry has a very specific plan for the military which is outlined on his web site in detail.

In a nutshell, it would increase the number of battle ready troops while not calling for a draft. Pretty straight forward stuff that I'm surprised this CIC hasn't thought of.

Dop

And how would he increase the military without a draft in a way that isn't already in use? Necromancy? Cloning? What?

Then why wont good old war vet Johnny reveal his plans for the military publically and not just put them on his web site? I want to know what HE thinks not his web designer or his chief of staff.

Liberals have always been very low military people because "that money can be better used elsewhere" , man how many times have I heard that one? What about national defense?

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/military.html

That's the link to JK's web site where he has articles on his plans for the military. Besides his web site, which is open to anyone that can click a mouse button, he's made several public statements on the subject. It's not his fault that the media won't cover it.

Even if his plan was to align the 7 rubies of Sefron on the alter of zorgab during the 3rd full-moon of the satan year 666 -- it would be better plan than what we have with bush, who has no plan.

Dop

You are dumb for getting information about Kerry from Kerry's website......

If i came up to you and asked you if you sucked....would you say Yes?

NOTHING negative about kerry will be on that site...WELL, IF THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HIM I'LL JUST HAVE TO VOTE FOR HIM!! (extreme sarcasm used)......if you are reading the kerry site, then go to the bush site too and see how right he is.

O and i almost forgot......Kerry really sucks....

i feel bad for the democrats, ESPECIALLY the marketers...who have to work 24/7 just to try to make this guy look good.....what a job to have!!! That would be like taking an Ape and trying to put enough make-up on it to win a beauty contest. John Edwards i wouldn't mind as much.....

Originally posted by Decka
O and i almost forgot......Kerry really sucks....

i feel bad for the democrats, ESPECIALLY the marketers...who have to work 24/7 just to try to make this guy look good.....what a job to have!!! That would be like taking an Ape and trying to put enough make-up on it to win a beauty contest. John Edwards i wouldn't mind as much.....



What exactly do they have such a hard time to make him look good with. Could it be his military record inwhich he won three purple hearts?, could it be his senate record, where he was known for sticking up for middle class working familes....


What about those behind the Bush campaign....I think theyre the ones that have to find some makeup for their Ape....huge national deficit, worst international relations in decades, unreliable employment standards, unjust wars....


Explain to me how the job for Kerry and his campaign is harder than Bush's?

So let me ask you this jerejere-whatever your name is.....do we as voters look at who has more purple hearts to see who we vote for as president? I can tell you that there are some hard-core guys who served that have ALOT more purple hearts than John Kerry. Why don't we put them into office?..seeing as that you put so much emphasis on military record as a qualification for being president.

Its funny, because as much as they emphasize Kerry's record in the military(which is under severe questioning), they want to pull out of Iraq. Its just Ironic.

Oh...and while Kerry sticks up so hard for the middle class, he votes against tax cuts for them, i just thought you should know.

You people who question our president can make ANYTHING Bush does sound bad by twisting it and contorting it. Worst international relations in decades? i dont see that.....someone attacked us so we went to take care of it. Whats funny is that if we didn't go over there the liberals would be bitching about how we didnt take action lol.

Unreliable employment standards?, unjust wars?...i think the war was totally justified. So you think 9-11 wasn't a problem? We are just over there trying to tame that "bee's nest" they call the middle east. Bush wasn't the man who started the U.S. as the policeman of the world. Many Democratic presidents have done the same, funny how you don't critisize them.

If nothing else Decka ... you have cojones. Jump right in as a newbie on a forum and start calling people names. You're one class act dude(ette) --

therefore I'll respond one time to your post and you'll never hear from me again. I don't do business with people that call me names behind the anonymity of the internet. If'n ya don't dare say it to my face, then keep it to yourself.

Go to the LA times this morning and they have a article outlining Kerry's military plans and the response from the international community.

It's a registration site and I'm not registered so can't provide a direct link but the title and author of the article is ...

Allies Not in Formation on Kerry's Troops Plan

By Paul Richter and Maria L. La Ganga, Times Staff Writers


Have a nice life -- Dop

Originally posted by Decka
So let me ask you this jerejere-whatever your name is.....do we as voters look at who has more purple hearts to see who we vote for as president? I can tell you that there are some hard-core guys who served that have ALOT more purple hearts than John Kerry. Why don't we put them into office?..seeing as that you put so much emphasis on military record as a qualification for being president.

Its not a matter of that being the reason he is elected, but its just a staple of his service to America.


Originally posted by Decka
Its funny, because as much as they emphasize Kerry's record in the military(which is under severe questioning), they want to pull out of Iraq. Its just Ironic.[/B]

Thats not a good point at all really. No one is saying that the men and women fighting over there are not heroes. Each day they are forced to risk their lives for less and less reasons. Explain to me why we are still there Decka...or whatever your name is.

Originally posted by Decka
Oh...and while Kerry sticks up so hard for the middle class, he votes against tax cuts for them, i just thought you should know.

How about the health care reforms and education reforms, John Kerry had to reach across party lines, inraging some of his fellow democrats, so that the American people would had decent patient rights, and Education?

Originally posted by Decka
You people who question our president can make ANYTHING Bush does sound bad by twisting it and contorting it. Worst international relations in decades? i dont see that.....someone attacked us so we went to take care of it. Whats funny is that if we didn't go over there the liberals would be bitching about how we didnt take action lol.[B]

First of all we dont really have to twist of contort anything, most of the time he does it on his on. We are hated by more and more countries each day for our policy in Iraq. We are losing jobs over seas, losing international trade alliances...letting other country's boys and girls have their heads cut off by terrorists. And for the record, Iraq didn't attack us.

Originally posted by Decka
Unreliable employment standards?, unjust wars?...i think the war was totally justified. So you think 9-11 wasn't a problem? We are just over there trying to tame that "bee's nest" they call the middle east. Bush wasn't the man who started the U.S. as the policeman of the world. Many Democratic presidents have done the same, funny how you don't critisize them.


The war with TERRORISM, was justified because they attacked us....then we go into Iraq. I'll give you a chance to explain that to me.

I will explain going into iraq in a war on terror. Saddam was a terrorist, plain and simple. he preached terrorism, he funded terrorism, and he hated us and didnt hide the fact he wanted to do us great harm. He was aggressive, attacking almost all of his neighbors at some point or another. Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Isreal. He is the only leader to use chemical weapons since WW1. He ran a secret WMD program, he tried to assasinate an american president, he harbored al qeada terrorists (al zaquari was in iraiq before the start of the war), the guy was a bad guy. Now if you dont see someone withthhose "credentials" as a threat to you after 9-11 then your either a complete idiot or so partisan you would never admit it. 9-11 taught us that we could no longr wait to be hit to justify action. It was in our best interest to identify threats and act. as has been pointed out by overdose, clinto turned down arresting OBL becasue he didnt have a good enough reason. I suppose we could have waited until saddam finally did get us somehow, or one of his crazy sons did when they succeeded him. Of course looking back in hindsight its all so clear. Try looking ahead at threats to our country and decideing which one is the most imminent and using intel you and everyone else has as yor deciding factor. I am sure it is not easy.

Originally posted by Decka

Worst international relations in decades? i dont see that...

You must be blind.

..someone attacked us so we went to take care of it.

When did Iraq attack us?

iraq didnt attack us. when did al qeada attack us? oh ya, in 93, the towers, the embassies, the cole. I guess all that wasnt enough to take them out. WE went the other direction. instead of being repeatelfy attacked and doing jack shit we found out who hated us the most and had the record and resources to do great harm. it was saddam. we took his ass out. Good bye, good riddance. some may shed a tear for you but not me.

Ok even, if the war in Iraq was just, you can justify us still being there...losing life each day.

Saddam is out of power which is good.
Iraq is becoming closer to democracy (which even though forced upon them by our government) will eventually be good.

But yet we are still there, yet again being the world police.

Should we?

Originally posted by Travh20
iraq didnt attack us. when did al qeada attack us? oh ya, in 93, the towers, the embassies, the cole. I guess all that wasnt enough to take them out. WE went the other direction. instead of being repeatelfy attacked and doing jack shit we found out who hated us the most and had the record and resources to do great harm. it was saddam. we took his ass out. Good bye, good riddance. some may shed a tear for you but not me.

Trav, I won't shed any tears for Saddam either, but you know that. Decka used the 9-11 attacks as justification for the war in Iraq, and I find that a bit disingenuous.

If you attacked me and I shot Decka because I was pretty sure he hated me too, how does that solve the problem? You're still out there being dangerous. If the real threat is Al-Quaida, then that's who we should be concentrating on, not going around knocking off tin-plated dictators with delusions of god-hood.

pagan, we are going after al qeada. did you forget about afghanistan? remember we went there first. It is such BS that we are somehow forgetting about al qeada. last I heard we are still foiling their plots and killing them and arresting them daily. While there will be a threat from al qeada for years to come, it is not as great as it was on 9-10-01. the future is uncertain, the onlt thing we can be certain about isthat Saddams Iraq will no longer be a player in the terrorism world.

Kerry must not being too much bad. No one has came up with anything for 3 days now....hmmm...

probably becasue we cant think of anything else to say about vietnam. "I seved mt country as a young man" really? we hadnt heard :rolleyes:

Kerry volunteered for Vietnam to avoid duty in the Texas Air National Guard.

ROTFLMAO

Dop

the taxas air national guard is wothless right dop?

What's the point of saying anything bad? He'll just change his mind on the issue next week anyhow! :P

Oh the intelligence

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Kerry volunteered for Vietnam to avoid duty in the Texas Air National Guard.

ROTFLMAO

Dop

I'll second the ROTFLMAO

I am really very glad in your attempt to smear the president you have no problem smearing millions of people who have served and are serving in the National Guard by saying it is where cowards go to avoid going to war. I may attack Kerry's war exagerations but at least I am not attacking the entire US Navy.

Originally posted by Travh20
I am really very glad in your attempt to smear the president you have no problem smearing millions of people who have served and are serving in the National Guard by saying it is where cowards go to avoid going to war. I may attack Kerry's war exagerations but at least I am not attacking the entire US Navy.

Trav, this has been said before but obviously it hasn't sunk in, so I'll say it again.

The National Guard in 1968 is very different from the National Guard today.

In 1968 we had the DRAFT. While some National Guard troops were sent to fight in Vietnam, most of the troops were draftees. In 1968 one way to avoid being drafted and sent to fight was to join the National Guard.

Today, with our all volunteer army, this is not the case. If you are in the National Guard today you are very likely to be ordered to fight in the event of war.

In short Trav, in 1968 some cowards did join the National Guard to avoid being sent to war. This in no way a smear on the many people who have honorably served in the National Guard since then, despite your attempts to twist it into a smear.

A humorous description of Bush's military service from the satirical "Bush vs. Kerry" comparison thread:

Bush's war record is far more consistent. Rather than choosing to be sent to a foreign land, Bush volunteered to protect our country by staying right here in America. Bush served honorably as a pilot in the Texas National Guard and the Alabama National Guard and protected our skies from the Vietcong Air Force. Thanks to his brave service, the Vietcong never reached the shores of America.
:D

OK pagan, whatever. I know if I was a national guard vet I wouldnt see it that way. Any NG unit can be called up at any time. There is no guarentee agaisnt being called up to active duty. And in 1968 you could just join the navy or something and get a desk job, why volunteer for fighter pilot? why not NG desk jockey? No matter how you cut it, saying bush joined the NG to get out of going to war IS a swipe at all NG emembers past and present. I guess it would have been better if he just went to england.

"Bush's war record is far more consistent. Rather than choosing to be sent to a foreign land, Bush volunteered to protect our country by staying right here in America. Bush served honorably as a pilot in the Texas National Guard and the Alabama National Guard and protected our skies from the Vietcong Air Force. Thanks to his brave service, the Vietcong never reached the shores of America."

how can you say your not attacking the NG then follow up with this? George Bush wasnt the only person in the entire NG in 1968. substitute Bush with They/their and your talking about all the NG

Originally posted by Travh20
OK pagan, whatever. I know if I was a national guard vet I wouldnt see it that way. Any NG unit can be called up at any time. There is no guarentee agaisnt being called up to active duty.

No there is no guarantee but in 1968 it was unlikely to happen.

And in 1968 you could just join the navy or something and get a desk job, why volunteer for fighter pilot? why not NG desk jockey?

Well...I don't know what the rules were that were in place at the time so I don't know if you can volunteer to do a specific job, unless you have some pull with the NG, which obviously the Bush family did. he may have volunteered to be an F-102 pilot so he could stay in a specific city in Texas, or maybe he knew that F-102's weren't being sent to Vietnam. I guess the only thing we CAN be certain of, is that if he wanted to be sent into combat, he should have done what John Kerry did.

No matter how you cut it, saying bush joined the NG to get out of going to war IS a swipe at all NG emembers past and present.

Only if you like to paint things with broad strokes Trav.

"Bush's war record is far more consistent. Rather than choosing to be sent to a foreign land, Bush volunteered to protect our country by staying right here in America. Bush served honorably as a pilot in the Texas National Guard and the Alabama National Guard and protected our skies from the Vietcong Air Force. Thanks to his brave service, the Vietcong never reached the shores of America."

how can you say your not attacking the NG then follow up with this? George Bush wasnt the only person in the entire NG in 1968. substitute Bush with They/their and your talking about all the NG

Are you familiar with the definition of "satire"? It's a joke Trav...humor...not intended as a factual statement...sheesh... try to have a sense of humor Trav...

I am sure kerry didnt want to go to combat, and if he did he sure didnt hesitate to get out of there at the first possible oppportunity. how else do you explain coming home on a techinicallity about 3 wounds and you can leave when you dont have a scratch on you?

Kerry's official request for duty in Viet Nam, direct from the DOD is in public domain and viewable all over the internet.

Let me add that so is Bush's and on his, he checked the box that says he does *NOT* volunteer for Viet Nam duty.

LOL, Dop

what his big hurry to get out of there then? the only swift boat officer to leave vietnam on the 3 purple hearts gig is John F Kerry.

In short Trav, in 1968 some cowards did join the National Guard to avoid being sent to war. This in no way a smear on the many people who have honorably served in the National Guard since then, despite your attempts to twist it into a smear.


How in the hell can you read that without it being a smear??

Incidentally, my father served in the national guard. Nice to know that my dad is just a big ole chicken shit.

Oh well, just glad one of the liberals said it. Then again, who else would say something that stupid?

Originally posted by Karankawa
How in the hell can you read that without it being a smear??

try reading it again Karan, maybe you'll get it the second time around.

Incidentally, my father served in the national guard. Nice to know that my dad is just a big ole chicken shit.

I'm sorry you feel your dad was a chicken shit, I suspect he was one of those who served honorably...but maybe you know best...

Oh well, just glad one of the liberals said it. Then again, who else would say something that stupid?

Considering what you just posted I wouldn't talk...

I tell you what Karan, I'll put up my post again and explain to you what it says...

In short Trav, in 1968 some cowards did join the National Guard to avoid being sent to war. This in no way a smear on the many people who have honorably served in the National Guard since then, despite your attempts to twist it into a smear.

1. Note that it says some people joined the National Guard to avoid war...pretty undeniable...

2. Note that the next sentence specifically says that many people have honorably served in the National guard, and further that I meant no smear against them....

3. Note finally that I mentioned that you shouldn't attempt to twist that statement into a smear, but then you come back and tell me I smeared your father....

I can only conclude that you are more stupid than you sound in your posts.

Yes, Vilepagan, I'm the retard here.

Originally posted by Karankawa
Yes, Vilepagan, I'm the retard here.

If you say so, but I wouldn't go quite that far. I certainly hope you remember that you said that and not me. I'd hate to be accused of calling you a retard at some later date.

I can only conclude that you are more stupid than you sound in your posts

Oh nos, I used the wrong word again! Hurry, hurry, go to www.dictionary.com and post the definition of both words, thoroughly proving that moron and idiot are COMPLETELY different words!!!

Did I do that right, Vilepagan???

Originally posted by Karankawa

Did I do that right, Vilepagan???

That depends on what you were trying to do. Were you trying to make yourself look foolish?

Nope!! I thought it was a pretty damn good impression of you, didn't you??

EDIT: Thread where Vilepagan "corrects" me on the difference between "embryo" and "fetus"

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6946&perpage=&pagenumber=3

Originally posted by Karankawa
Nope!! I thought it was a pretty damn good impression of you, didn't you??

Inferiority complex is something you need to deal with Karankawa. Just because details are not your strongest suit, and Vilepagan has corrected you numerous times on them, it does not mean you need to become extremely rude. This is a forum, where people go to learn, grow, and change opinions. It’s okay to admit your wrong, and change your mind. There is no need to get aggressive, and or become mean about any of this. Your interpretation of Vilepagan was out of desperation of having nothing left to say. Honestly, just drop it.

Yessir, I'll just be quiet and let you two post over and over, telling me that I have an inferiority complex and that I'm stupid and rude. Gogogo liberals!!!

Originally posted by Overdose
This is a forum, where people go to learn, grow, and change opinions.

is that what this place is for? I come here to beat up on little sissy liberals for fun.

Originally posted by Travh20
I come here to beat up on little sissy liberals for fun.

:flowers:

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Karankawa
Yessir, I'll just be quiet and let you two post over and over, telling me that I have an inferiority complex and that I'm stupid and rude. Gogogo liberals!!!

Karankawa, if you call people names you have no right to complain when they return the favor.

BTW, I know you have a fixation about "liberals", but what does this discussion have to do wth being liberal?

This shit is pretty funny guys...keep it up.

I come here to beat up on little sissy liberals for fun.

GODDAMNED STRAIGHT!

Originally posted by The Praetorian
GODDAMNED STRAIGHT!

Straight...? :eek: :flowers:

:)

Originally posted by Overdose
Straight...? :eek: :flowers:

fine, strait, we wouldnt want anyone to feel uncomfortable or excluded :rolleyes:

Originally posted by The Praetorian

GODDAMNED STRAIGHT!

If I had a nickel for every time I've said that....:D

Do you really hate straight people, Vile?

Originally posted by Vilepagan
If I had a nickel for every time I've said that....:D

LOL, let me guess, you would be a very poor man?

No, my guess is he'd be a very rich man, but never confuse the fact that it's backwards and unfair to say, "GODDAMNED GAYS".

In other words...it's a one-way street. :shrugs shoulders, feeling sick to my stomach:

Originally posted by The Praetorian
No, my guess is he'd be a very rich man, but never confuse the fact that it's backwards and unfair to say, "GODDAMNED GAYS".

In other words...it's a one-way street. :shrugs shoulders, feeling sick to my stomach:

::hands Praetorian a bucket to puke in::

Are you really incapable of recognizing a joke when you see one? (Hint: look for a smiley at the end of the statement)

I know, but you can't recognize a joke when one is shot to you, so I thought I'd return the favor. :D

NOW THAT WAS FUNNY. ROTFLMAO.

GOTCHA!

Did anyone hear about the new kerry flip flop? He's been pressing and arguing for Bush to lessen the number of troops over in iraq. So when Bush actually DOES bring 70,000 troops back Kerry criticizes him for it. Now, i am well aware that the liberals will SOMEHOW make this out to be George Bush's fault...so i am ALL ears.


Oh, and im interested also in how you refute the "Kerry being absent from public intelligence hearings AT LEAST 76% of the time".....

Oh, and im interested also in how you refute the "Kerry being absent from public intelligence hearings AT LEAST 76% of the time".....

Kerry's a flake, and most know it.

He was probably busy protesting something, somewhere...

Originally posted by Decka
Did anyone hear about the new kerry flip flop? He's been pressing and arguing for Bush to lessen the number of troops over in iraq. So when Bush actually DOES bring 70,000 troops back Kerry criticizes him for it. Now, i am well aware that the liberals will SOMEHOW make this out to be George Bush's fault...so i am ALL ears.


Maybe because Bush isn't bringing 70,000 troops home from Iraq.

I'll answer trav's post here in the kerry-bashing thread like suggested by borg.

Bush is already connected to the smear boat vets. Their rally flyers were being handed out by the republican party headquarters in Gainesvill Fl and since that discovery the swifties refused to show up for their own rally this morning.

The connection has been made and it's now up to bush to debunk it .

Dop

how come deomcrats can work hand in hand with moveon.org and not a peeop about it?

Because there's no direct tie between moveon and kerry. I won't try to tell you that moveon isn't a proxy for kerry, that would be insane but I will tell you that they playing it smarter than the swifties are.

Dop

no direct tie? on the DNC website it says the DNC and moveon.org are working "hand in hand" to defeat bush in 2004. what would you call that?

Kerry has said he does not apphiliate himself with the website.

That's the key Jere -- kerry keeps his distance where the republicans are handing out swifty flyers at their campaign headquarters. Then today we find out about one of the smear vets being a republican prosecutor for the district attorney's office in Oregon.

And his repsonse ... he signed the affidavit against kerry on the say-so of some friends. BWAhahaha and he's wondering why the citizens are asking him to step down. Seems they just don't want a prosecutor that signs affidavits based on hear-say.

You know what I mean ... just in case that affidavit is pertinent to a death penalty or something trivial like that.

ROTF, Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
That's the key Jere -- kerry keeps his distance where the republicans are handing out swifty flyers at their campaign headquarters. Then today we find out about one of the smear vets being a republican prosecutor for the district attorney's office in Oregon.

And his repsonse ... he signed the affidavit against kerry on the say-so of some friends. BWAhahaha and he's wondering why the citizens are asking him to step down. Seems they just don't want a prosecutor that signs affidavits based on hear-say.

You know what I mean ... just in case that affidavit is pertinent to a death penalty or something trivial like that.

ROTF, Dop

Lol, good points Dop.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, they are still here dop, all your hysterial attempts to make it all go away are failing, kerry is dropping like a stone and you cant take it. sorry dop. ther is always hildabeast in 08, or maybe you can find a real vietnam hero who didnt gain noteriety by stabbing the guys still there in the back with his bullshit testimony giving casue to the comunist north who trumpeted his speech over the loud speakers at the hanoi hilton as they tried to beat the same statements out of our brave POW's. kerry is no hero, he is a fucking shame to all veterans everywhere.

And so are you trav for saying that about a vietnam vet

Hogwash.

shut the hell up dop, you have called the swift boat guys worse and called out troops in iraq far worse, just stop with the hypocrisy and go back to searching for ways to clear kerry of the charges he refuses to address

lol....Trav why don't you face reality? The Swift Boat guys are liars, and you have no defense for them. It sucks, I know. And care to give a quote to when he has attacked the Iraq troops?

you cant prove they are liars anymore then they can "prove" kerry is embellishing his medal actions. and I have gone over dops attack on the troop sin iraq, at your request, in the bush bashing thread. you got short term memory loss or something? If anyone is not facing reality here its you. All the swift boat vets had to do is get kerry to change his tune on one of his claims and his credibility invoving everything else is shot to hell. that first thing was his cambodia memory that he had to change. he has since changed his first purple heart story, changed his story about the bronze star. do you really think if there were no swift boat veterans fro thrtuh he would have just come forward and changed his story on these things? you see, not all americans are so bent as you to make these guys into liars. most people see what they say, then see what kerry says. they see tne SBVFT story holding fast, and kerry changing his storys every week. so in your mind these guy sre liars, and have been before you eve had the main stream medias dirt. most americans havea mind of their own and look at the facts and see kerry has not been entirrely honest about his vietnam service, which is the centerpiece of his campaign. if you cant be honset about that, how can he be honest about anything else? the SBVFT have been highly effective at showing kerry to be dis honest. there was never any doubt that a massive media blitz would paint them as the liars and dishonest ones. isnt it odd how the objective media has only tried to prove these guys wrong, never spending one second attempting to verify their claims?

Originally posted by Travh20
you cant prove they are liars anymore then they can "prove" kerry is embellishing his medal actions.
We have debated this, and if I don’t recall correctly you were the one who forgot to respond to my rebuttal.

A report says the Navy Records support Kerry’s version, and that these Swift Boat Veterans have provided no documentation to what they have been saying. It’s all in mainstream news reports (that I've given you).

They are not liberal, for Navy Records are non-bias, and the Swift Boat Veterans just simply haven’t backed up any of their claims. It’s over. They are done. Get over it.