There ya go free....
Is that your true color???? I posted that in response to Lungdop, I really don't think you gave your mindless post much thought before you put it out there... kinda like throwin your shitty skivvies against the wall to see if they stick right? you obviously don't know better.... do yourself a favor, look the mans name up, see what kind of trash you can come back with.... you'll be busy for awhile trying to find any.
this is about the point in which I would make the idiots/cockroaches remark....

Originally posted by NoFlakjacket
There ya go free....
Is that your true color????

Yes, it is my true color to ridicule the liar and semi-retardate GWBush for having strings pulled for him to allow him to avoid the draft, only to later go AWOL.

get your head outta the clouds and stop acting like a nimrod.... the post you responded to was about John Basilone.... Someone you obviously have no idea about...

i cant beleive john kerry pretends to be some middle class hero when he's a freaking BILLIONAIRE....he's SO richer than George Bush...he's in that upper UPPER class...with bill gates and such. What a mark.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Hey don't take my word for it

dont worry dop, i wont.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Yeah.

Or he could have had his rich Daddy pull some strings and get him a position in the National Guards.

And then he could have neglected to show up for his assigned duty to his National Guard post.......

But then, only a truly disreputable piece of shit would do that.
You hold such a high degree of contempt for our military and our country. Why??? What has this nation ever done to you? As I see it, it's provided you with a place to live, call home, and be protected, but you, in some way, feel better abhorring it. Let me ask you a few questions: 1) How long have you been here? 2) What is your ethnic background? And 3) Where would you rather live?

Originally posted by The Praetorian
You hold such a high degree of contempt for our military and our country. Why???

Please describe where i have shown the slightest indication of contempt for the US military.

Originally posted by The Praetorian What has this nation ever done to you? As I see it, it's provided you with a place to live, call home, and be protected, but you, in some way, feel better abhorring it.

You're correct.

It has done all of those things, and I am immensely grateful for that.

But this government over the past 60 years has also perpetrated some many heinous acts against other nations.

You and millions of other Conservatives are dimly aware of that fact.

Some on the Right are even made uncomfortable by that fact, just as I am. The difference is that Conservatives have an amazing ability to pretend it never happened and that it does not exist.

But I am a realist. I call a spade a spade.

This government is a government of, for and by the Corporation.

And it will go anywhere, kill anyone, subvert any legally elected government, oust any legally elected leader and replace them with a dictatorial puppet of the US's choosing if that puppet will open the country up to exploitation by US Corporate interests.

Noam Chomsky has noted; "In much of the world the U.S. is regarded as a leading terrorist state".

Here is an example.

On October 12th, 2001, a couple of days after the bombing of Afghanistan started, George W. Bush publicly announced to the Afghan people that 'we will continue to bomb you, unless your leadership turns over to us the people whom we suspect of carrying out crimes', although we refuse to give you any evidence.

(The reason being that thye didn't HAVE any. )

That is a textbook illustration of international terrorism, by the official US definition. That is the use of the threat of force or violence, in this case extreme violence, to obtain political ends through intimidation, fear and so on. That's the official definition, a textbook illustration of it.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Let me ask you a few questions: 1) How long have you been here? 2) What is your ethnic background? And 3) Where would you rather live?

1) 52 years.

2) of Scotch/Irish descent, (Caucasian) many generations back.

3) Liechtenstein. Sweden. France. Belgium. Holland. Denmark. Norway. Anywhere that the government is not under the absolute control of Defense/Petrochemical/Pharmaceutical Corporate interests.

Originally posted by Freethinker
But this government over the past 60 years has also perpetrated some many heinous acts against other nations.

You and millions of other Conservatives are dimly aware of that fact.

Some on the Right are even made uncomfortable by that fact, just as I am. The difference is that Conservatives have an amazing ability to pretend it never happened and that it does not exist.

But I am a realist. I call a spade a spade.

This government is a government of, for and by the Corporation.

And it will go anywhere, kill anyone, subvert any legally elected government, oust any legally elected leader and replace them with a dictatorial puppet of the US's choosing if that puppet will open the country up to exploitation by US Corporate interests.

Well I am conservative and although I don't advocate the use of force in every single conflict, certainly sometimes it is necessary.
It looks you don't recall that many of the US actions in the past 60 years have been an actions/reactions against communist Russia. During the cold war, the same game was played by all the countries not only US.

It is funny, however, to read that US is the country controlling others un-dev nations in order to exploit them...who has not done the same and very recently? do I have to recall now France history in Africa or Russia one in central Asia? oh please, everybody (Europeans included and the poor countries if they could) will always take care of their interests (so for the interests'of their national corporations). There is not such a country which is organised as a non profig organisation. Whoever is the White House will do the same.


Originally posted by Freethinker
3) Liechtenstein. Sweden. France. Belgium. Holland. Denmark. Norway. Anywhere that the government is not under the absolute control of Defense/Petrochemical/Pharmaceutical Corporate interests.
I live in The Netherlands, and besides the point I have to give 40% of my income to the state, I would not prefer to live in a country where the government is in charge of the industry (as in The Netherlands). At the end, the consumers are the ones having to pay an over-priced fee for a shity service. The EU "liberalisation"has meant nothing, now there are 2 or 3 companies per country in the former state-monopoly sectors (energy, communications, utilities...) but those 2 or 3 companies only operates in certain areas (by law) so in reality I cannot choose a different company...so much for free market...

Thank you, Teddy, and welcome to Allforums. :)
And thank you, Freethinker, for the answer.
Please describe where i have shown the slightest indication of contempt for the US military.
Simply by it's association - but not directly. Besides, that's not the point at which I was getting at.
Liechtenstein. Sweden. France. Belgium. Holland. Denmark. Norway. Anywhere that the government is not under the absolute control of Defense/Petrochemical/Pharmaceutical Corporate interests.
America is SO full of people just like you. You hate this country, but you live here, unhappily. I suppose America is just here to be exploited, not embraced, by pontificating, self righteous, windbags, but that's morally OKAY because when you compare it to America exploiting other nations for America's financial gain, it holds no similarity to the gripe you have against America in the first place. Hypocrisy is a very stinky cologne, my friend. If you really hate it here, exercise your greatest freedom…the freedom to leave.

Originally posted by Teddy

I live in The Netherlands, and besides the point I have to give 40% of my income to the state, I would not prefer to live in a country where the government is in charge of the industry (as in The Netherlands).

If we were to switch places, you could experience firsthand living in a country where the Industry is in charge of the Government.

40% taxes????.....when all is said and done, i'd say you're getting off lighter than US residents.

either start shootin' or get the hell out freethinker.

Originally posted by Travh20
either start shootin' or get the hell out freethinker.

Shooting WHAT?

Admittedly, i'd like to see redneck imbeciles like you no longer be a part of this country, but i don't want to shoot anyone.

pack yer trash... get out freakthinker.... It is so amazing how Our "America the Beautiful" is sucha wonderful place to land and start bitchin....
FT: Stop with your baggin on this great nation, and makin it like it's al the "conservative" or "rights" fault.... I'm startin to hear an "echo'..... GOD SAVE US..........
so amazing how only "conservatives" are "dimly aware of the fact...' get a life.....

Originally posted by NoFlakjacket
pack yer trash... get out freakthinker.... It is so amazing how Our "America the Beautiful" is sucha wonderful place to land and start bitchin....
FT: Stop with your baggin on this great nation, and makin it like it's al the "conservative" or "rights" fault.... I'm startin to hear an "echo'..... GOD SAVE US..........
so amazing how only "conservatives" are "dimly aware of the fact...' get a life.....

Yes, this is a great nation, NoFlakjacket, but it is in complete control of a very bad government, the extreme rightwing, and i feel that they are making decisions NOT in the best interests of We the People, but totally in the interests of the Corporations, the wealthy and the priviledged.

Originally posted by Freethinker
i feel that they are making decisions NOT in the best interests of We the People, but totally in the interests of the Corporations, the wealthy and the priviledged.

thats because your an idiot.

Originally posted by Travh20
thats because your an idiot.
Perfect Trav-ian response. "You're an idiot". Bravo, Trav, bravo, what an intelligent and insightful post. :rolleyes:

I suppose you want me to explain in a lengthy post wh the guy is an idiot right? why bother. frethinker is an idiot, read some of his posts and prove me wrong.

Originally posted by Travh20
I suppose you want me to explain in a lengthy post wh the guy is an idiot right? why bother. frethinker is an idiot, read some of his posts and prove me wrong.
I find it completely irrelevant whether or not he/she is an idiot. Completely and totally. It really irks me that he/she was trying to make a point, and instead of making an attempt to refute that point, you simply called him/her and idiot and left it at that. Surely, if Freethinker is so "idiotic", you can refute his/her points easily, right?

borg, believe me, that is not the only post I have made to freethinker. it is of course the only one you felt you had to comment on though.

Originally posted by Travh20
borg, believe me, that is not the only post I have made to freethinker. it is of course the only one you felt you had to comment on though.
Well, I don't post in every thread. But yes, I was indeed compelled to comment on that one because you didn't even make an attempt to make an intelligent argument...you just insulted him/her.

OK, tell me how you respond to someone who claims we use depleted uranium shells specifically to leave radioactive material around soley for the reason of poison civilians and cause birth defects among their children.

Originally posted by Travh20
OK, tell me how you respond to someone who claims we use depleted uranium shells specifically to leave radioactive material around soley for the reason of poison civilians and cause birth defects among their children.
But Trav...the post you were replying to said:

"i feel that they are making decisions NOT in the best interests of We the People, but totally in the interests of the Corporations, the wealthy and the priviledged."

your right, i was talking to freethinker about the depleted uranium in another post. after almost 6000 posts it gets a little repitious responding to the whole corperation/hallibruton thing. we would go back and forth for a few posts, then I would of called him an idiot anyway, so I just decided to cut out the fluff

And how can anyone blame you, Trav? After all, he's the one who started off the insults by stating, "i'd like to see redneck imbeciles like you no longer be a part of this country, but i don't want to shoot anyone." Here we have an asshole like freethinker insult a vet like Trav, and while doing so, he basically sings praises for the enemy because he believes we're the bad guys. Now, does that sound fair or reasonable to you, Borg? I sincerely hope not...

Originally posted by The Praetorian
And how can anyone blame you, Trav? After all, he's the one who started off the insults by stating, "i'd like to see redneck imbeciles like you no longer be a part of this country, but i don't want to shoot anyone." Here we have an asshole like freethinker insult a vet like Trav, and while doing so, he basically sings praises for the enemy because he believes we're the bad guys. Now, does that sound fair or reasonable to you, Borg? I sincerely hope not...
Well, to tell you the truth, I haven't read that much from Freethinker. But if he did say that, he's wrong as well. But still...couldn't Trav take the high road and refrain from stooping to his level?

I take the high road in everyday life, why is it so bad to do some stooping here? we all need a place to vent right?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Well, to tell you the truth, I haven't read that much from Freethinker. But if he did say that, he's wrong as well.

Here's the conversation, Borg...

Trav; "Either start shootin' or get the hell out freethinker."

Me; "Shooting WHAT? Admittedly, i'd like to see redneck imbeciles like you no longer be a part of this country, but i don't want to shoot anyone."

So Trav is doing nothing at all wrong by telling me to either get out of his country or else *start shooting*....(what ever that means, he never answered my question as to what he meant) and there's nothing wrong with it, but when i respond to the person who said such a thing by calling him a "redneck imbecile", i'm the bad guy?!?!?

Puuuleeze.

BTW....it was a lie when Trav claimed that i had said that we use depleted uranium shells specifically to leave radioactive material around soley for the purpose of poisoning civilians and causing birth defects among their children.

I told Trav that I was NOT saying that we use depleted uranium shells specifically to cause cancer, but that our government continues using them even though they are well AWARE that they do cause radiation poisoning and cancer deaths.



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BTW....it was a lie when Trav claimed that i had said that we use depleted uranium shells specifically to leave radioactive material around soley for the purpose of poisoning civilians and causing birth defects among their children.
Maybe you didn't say it directly, but you definitely alluded to it...many times. As far as them causing cancer, that's ancillary to their real purpose: penetrating armor effectively, so what's your point here? Are we being too hard on the enemy, Freethinker?

As far as him telling you to "get out", can you blame him? You sit there and relentlessly wax about the injustice the US disperses in the form of "corporate terror", and you expect those amongst us to buy your theory wholeheartedly. You, my friend, are a walking paradox. You have a decent head on your shoulders, but you lack long-term sight, and totally lack any allegiance to the nation that houses and protects you and your family. You make no bones about telling us there’s a multitude of nations you'd rather live in, and Trav's the problem??? Get real, dude...you should leave. You're the ONLY person here that openly states you have utter distain for the United States, and people like fluffer boy call us grade-schoolish for telling you to leave. Whatever...

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Maybe you didn't say it directly, but you definitely alluded to it...many times.

I told Trav that I was NOT saying that we use depleted uranium shells specifically to cause cancer, but that our government continues using them even though they are well AWARE that they do cause radiation poisoning and cancer deaths.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
As far as them causing cancer, that's ancillary to their real purpose: penetrating armor effectively, so what's your point here? Are we being too hard on the enemy, Freethinker?

Every person that contracts cancer due to the USA's use of depleted uranium shells is NOT an enemy combatant!! THAT is what's wrong ---very very wrong-- with using the shells in the first place!

YOU are free to think it perfectly alright that the ammo this country uses causes innocent infants and old women to develop cancer and die [and it DOES give them cancer] ......I happen to NOT think it fitting for the US to do it.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
As far as him telling you to "get out", can you blame him?

WTF?!?!?

You were the first one to begin complaining about the insults, saying [falsely] that I started off the insults and by claiming that I first insulted Trav, ....when Trav began the hostility and personal attacks by telling me to *start shooting* (whatever that means) or to get out of his country.


Originally posted by The Praetorian
You sit there and relentlessly wax about the injustice the US disperses in the form of "corporate terror", and you expect those amongst us to buy your theory wholeheartedly.

Correction.

It is not a theory, but an indisputable fact.

Originally posted by Freethinker
If we were to switch places, you could experience firsthand living in a country where the Industry is in charge of the Government.

40% taxes????.....when all is said and done, i'd say you're getting off lighter than US residents.

I will actually switch places, I will move to Georgia in a couple of months and I cannot wait to earn 20% more (even taking into account currency differences) for doing the same job and paying much lower taxes, so I can decide by myself where and how I spend my money.

Well according to family and wife, they do not pay 40% of their income on taxes and they all earn higher income than the average. How is it possible then that my wife (currently in US while I am waiting for my visa) has a lower income per year than me but her pay-check is much higher than mine (and we both pay taxes in our monthly payroll)? Obviously it is due to the taxes and retentions.
And not taking into account health insurance. I have to admitt that in some European countries health service is good, for example in Spain is cheap and for everybody in emergency cases, of course that means long waiting lists for a lot of procedures but not for life-threatening diseases. But in the country I am living now...health service is hell. I pay 150€ everymonth for my health insurance (partially subsidise by my company) but I have no family-doctor because the ones in my area are fully booked (and the government only allows x number of doctors per area). I pay but I get nothing in return. That's a simple state monopoly and a very shameful one.