Well.. since I understand nothing on politics anyone mind telling me what's the difference between Republicans and Democrats.. without the big confusing words that lose me.. I think their issues are different.. but that's about all.

For a start, they both have a different piece of mind, each.

Here it is in a GENERAL nut-shell.

Republicans = conservative
Democrats = liberal (however, not quite as liberal as say a pinko radical like ConfusedYouth)

Republicans believe in personal responsibility, whereas Democrats want the government to help everyone with tax money, which means Democrats generally want to raise taxes while Republicans want to cut taxes. Democrats believe in a strong government with a lot of power, whereas Republicans believe in a small government where the people have more power. Also Republicans are more likely to accept traditional values and beliefs, whereas Democrats are more likely to try and tear them down. Also, Democrats hate anyone who is successful and has money.

And you get £100,000 if you can guess what DaveTooner is...!

Umm is he republican?.. I mean.. I understand they have different views.. as does everyone.. but.. I don't get how you choose what you are.. and how they are stereotyped to like a certain thing or dislike it due to their name.. maybe I'm just confused..

CONSERVATIVE....Is a person that wants to conserve and make things better for all that are willing to work.


A LIBERAL wants to give give give at the cost to the hardest working people out there, and punish someone for being rich.

Liberal is liking spreading too much mayo on a sandwich, its just gross and you will get fat, being conservative you get just enough to make it taste good and not get fat!

PS I hate mayo anyway

TheComputerGuy this is the most skewed definition of a liberal I've ever seen. In fact, you all gave biased definitions. Don't listen to them there trying to sell there side rather than giving you a proper definition in which you asked for.

Can someone give me the correct definition then?.. :?:

[quote:e0e91b74cb="ConfusedYouth"]TheComputerGuy this is the most skewed definition of a liberal I've ever seen. In fact, you all gave biased definitions. Don't listen to them there trying to sell there side rather than giving you a proper definition in which you asked for.[/quote:e0e91b74cb]\

What a load of crap. Everything we said was true.

You gave a biased opinion. In fact, you nor ComputerGuy came close to defining either party correctly. You gave your opinion on how you felt about either party prime examples are:

[quote:e8e57f9298]A LIBERAL wants to give give give at the cost to the hardest working people out there, and punish someone for being rich.[/quote:e8e57f9298]

I never said it's not okay to be rich. If you make your money an honestly with hard work and good dedication than more power to you. I don't like these rich ceos that run around ripping people off examples being Nike, World Com, and Enron only naming a few of course. Also is it wrong to give to the needy?

[quote:e8e57f9298] Liberal is liking spreading too much mayo on a sandwich, its just gross and you will get fat, being conservative you get just enough to make it taste good and not get fat! [/quote:e8e57f9298]

Another biased opinion.

[quote:e8e57f9298] Republicans believe in personal responsibility, whereas Democrats want the government to help everyone with tax money, which means Democrats generally want to raise taxes while Republicans want to cut taxes. Democrats believe in a strong government with a lot of power, whereas Republicans believe in a small government where the people have more power. [/quote:e8e57f9298]

Another opinion you claim that ALL Democrats don't believe in personal responsibility. A prime example of you selling your side. And you sell your side by saying the Republican party gives the power to the people. If so how come I can't sit in Congress and vote?


[quote:e8e57f9298] Also Republicans are more likely to accept traditional values and beliefs, whereas Democrats are more likely to try and tear them down. Also, Democrats hate anyone who is successful and has money.[/quote:e8e57f9298]

Another biased comment you claim that Democrats want to tear everything down which is far from true. Also you show a biased comment when you say Democrats hate people with money which is also not true.

You have tried to sell your side in many ways.

[quote:b87c87c74b]Another opinion you claim that ALL Democrats don't believe in personal responsibility. A prime example of you selling your side. And you sell your side by saying the Republican party gives the power to the people. If so how come I can't sit in Congress and vote?
[/quote:b87c87c74b]

You cannot explain the differences between the parties without generalizing. DUH! Of course it doesnt apply to ALL democrats. Please, spare me.

You have the right to elect your representative. What do you expect? Every single person to be a member of congress? You liberals are FULL OF IT!

[quote:44cb273e0d] You cannot explain the differences between the parties without generalizing. DUH! Of course it doesn’t apply to ALL democrats. Please, spare me. [/quote:44cb273e0d]

I can name many books that explain the difference without giving generalizations.

[quote:44cb273e0d] You have the right to elect your representative. What do you expect? Every single person to be a member of congress? You liberals are FULL OF IT![/quote:44cb273e0d]

In some 3rd world countries they can elect there representative. I was using it as an example to prove that the people don't exactly have as much power as you made it seem in your comment.

[quote:c1a9db77dd]In some 3rd world countries they can elect there representative. I was using it as an example to prove that the people don't exactly have as much power as you made it seem in your comment[/quote:c1a9db77dd]

We have as much as can be expected.

Could you guys chill?.. I mean really it seems as if EVERYONE gives ConfusedYouth a hard time.. Just because he/she (?) has their OWN thoughts. Don't tell someone how to believe.. Opinions are for everyone respect that. As for what "Deomcratic" and "Republican" are.. I'm still lost. Whether it's a biased idea or not.. I'm just trying to understand mildly what the difference is. Who cares who is what? Get along for crying out loud. Everyone likes happy forums.. politics seems to ruin that.. *Wonders* Please, just try to be nice?..

The computerguys explanation is biased, although I believe it. The first definition is correct and is just barely biased. CY thanks for telling us theres books that explain the difference, why dont you post one of them like you usually do!

Andways Ill say I am a republican but I will give a unbiased explanation:

[b:759086219a]Abortion[/b:759086219a]
Democrats: FOR
Republicans:AGAINST

[b:759086219a]Capital punishment[/b:759086219a]
Democrats: AGAINST
Republicans:FOR

[b:759086219a]More government involment[/b:759086219a] (This means for/against a larger government, in general more regulations, laws, etc)
Democrats: FOR
Republicans: AGAINST

[b:759086219a]Military (salary, research, etc)[/b:759086219a]
Democrats: Less
Republicans: More

[b:759086219a]Higher Taxes[/b:759086219a] Obvously if the group is for a larger government taxes go up, for less government involvment, taxes go down.
Democrats: FOR
Republicans: AGAINST

I feel this was a tottaly unbiased explanation on common views. Personally I feel that we should pay taxes for roads, military, police, fireman, ems, and education. I belive if someone wants to donate money to people on wellfare there is no law that says they can't, but in general people shouldn't be required to donate money to charitys or programs they might not even agree with!!

I don't want my money going to the Military...

[quote:48ec3100f1="JWB"]The computerguys explanation is biased, although I believe it. The first definition is correct and is just barely biased. CY thanks for telling us theres books that explain the difference, why dont you post one of them like you usually do!

Andways Ill say I am a republican but I will give a unbiased explanation:

[b:48ec3100f1]Abortion[/b:48ec3100f1]
Democrats: FOR
Republicans:AGAINST

[b:48ec3100f1]Capital punishment[/b:48ec3100f1]
Democrats: AGAINST
Republicans:FOR

[b:48ec3100f1]More government involment[/b:48ec3100f1] (This means for/against a larger government, in general more regulations, laws, etc)
Democrats: FOR
Republicans: AGAINST

[b:48ec3100f1]Military (salary, research, etc)[/b:48ec3100f1]
Democrats: Less
Republicans: More

[b:48ec3100f1]Higher Taxes[/b:48ec3100f1] Obvously if the group is for a larger government taxes go up, for less government involvment, taxes go down.
Democrats: FOR
Republicans: AGAINST

I feel this was a tottaly unbiased explanation on common views. Personally I feel that we should pay taxes for roads, military, police, fireman, ems, and education. I belive if someone wants to donate money to people on wellfare there is no law that says they can't, but in general people shouldn't be required to donate money to charitys or programs they might not even agree with!![/quote:48ec3100f1]

I rest my case.

[quote:90aab79361="ConfusedYouth"]I don't want my money going to the Military...[/quote:90aab79361]

Oh so we dont need protection from hostile countries? ARE YOU THAT STUPID. Ill go back to a age old point, what if we didn't have a military when Hittler was taking over the world?

In this day in age armies aren't needed... Your sixty years behind my friend....

[quote:bf32c62bdd="ConfusedYouth"]In this day in age armies aren't needed... Your sixty years behind my friend....[/quote:bf32c62bdd]

You just keep thinkin that, lefty. Man, you liberals probably think utopia is possible. sheesh!

You think the USA could COMPLETELY do away with our military and suffer no consequences. LOL!

We can go with things in a humane manners these days there is no threat like there was in World War 2. We can act like humans.

Laugh it up but I'm smart enough not to die for them...

My gosh, you have no sense... Some reason me ban feature isn't working... oh Ill have to work on it some more tommorow :\ sheesh!

Jimmy right now you're acting TOTALLY senseless!! Why the hell are you gonna ban someone just for their opinion? That's bullshit.. If you're gonna do crap like this on the forums I'm gonna stop posting here. I want to post where opinions of all are welcomed.. not just people you choose to hear from.

Tigger,

Usually things are the other way around. Usually it is CY and one or two other left wing pinkos and I'm the only conservative voice. I don't know what has happened. I guess what goes around comes around.

Although I don't think CY should be banned... he's a good guy... just a pinko, that's all.

Also... (back on topic)...

If the USA gave up it's defense, some wacko country (probably Iraq!) would come over here and do some damage. Mark my words on that one.

"In this day in age armies aren't needed... Your sixty years behind my friend...."
_________________ Confused Youth

No, the REST of the world is 60 years behind. We may very well be on the cutting edge of social evolution in this country but the rights, freedoms, and moral respect that is espoused by our culture does not exist in many others. These cultures as such are a threat to everyone else and themselves as well. A large contingency of folks in this great nation of ours have fallen victim to the "Margaret Mead' mentality of doting on the 1 or two seemingly positive aspects of another culture while "overlooking" the 20 - 30 negative ones. One such example is the comparison between Christianity and Islam. The liberal think tanks in the govt and the press portray Islam as a peaceful, positive, harmless, religeous outlet as opposed to the harsh, dangerous, intolerant, bigoted Christians. Anyone who champions equal rights, mutual respect, tolerance, and whatever else is "in" in terms of political correctness would be happily kissing the Reverand Jerry Fallwell's Bostonians upon returning from living in a nation where Islam was the religeous majority. The idealism that abounds in the minds of peaceniks is also usually confined there as well. Our models of friendship and alliance are not supportyed by nations of ill will bent on our destruction. For example, yes nuclear weapons are bad. But such a weapon is only as bad as the people controlling them. Our weapons exist to insure our way of life - the way that insures you and I can post our opinions on a forum such as this. We need armies because leaders like Saddam Hussein have armies and would not think twice about attacking our nation and carrying out all manners of genocide and horror that is so feared by liberal peacemongers.
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we should all agree that being vulnerable to your enemies is stupid. but i wish we could all agree that pointing a gun at them the whole time is also stupid. every country in the world should have a militia or something to call on in times of need, but a standing army is useless and expensive. keep the national guard and the techies in the nuclear silos, but we dont need people soldiering around a base for four years at a time.

Ever realize the national guard sucks? They are not soldiers and any country that doesnt agree with us will realize the moment we let our guard down is our moment of weakness. Dissolving the military is simply not an option at this time.

Ok CY is a someone I think is nuts thats just my opinion but anyways...

OTS: Yes! Opinons are ALL we have.. The board is FULL of them.. and maybe 5% fact.. You and I know that opinions give us reasons to argue.. or get to know someone.. have a debate.. etc.. but I've learned that in politics it just turns to crap.. People have their minds set on one thing.. and are ignorant to the rest.. I don't understand half this crap.. heh.. not even 99% of it.. but.. I try to see both sides. Sorry had to get that out there.

[quote:d9d014323d="TheGreyBaron"]Ever realize the national guard sucks? They are not soldiers and any country that doesnt agree with us will realize the moment we let our guard down is our moment of weakness. Dissolving the military is simply not an option at this time.[/quote:d9d014323d]it can be improved. we can have a great part-time army instead of a great full-time. more money could be put into the national guard and standing army can get no money.

[quote:8f62ccb6ee="TiGGeRsLiLCuTiE"]Jimmy right now you're acting TOTALLY senseless!! Why the hell are you gonna ban someone just for their opinion? That's bullshit.. If you're gonna do crap like this on the forums I'm gonna stop posting here. I want to post where opinions of all are welcomed.. not just people you choose to hear from.[/quote:8f62ccb6ee]

OK Jill perhaps they have both been banned before for continuing to whine in the humor section, after the conversion everyone banned was unbanned by a glitch. Furthermore internet sites aren't required to give there users freedom, if you want to stop posting here help yourself.

[quote:dca7526fed="kapelu"][quote:dca7526fed="TheGreyBaron"]Ever realize the national guard sucks? They are not soldiers and any country that doesnt agree with us will realize the moment we let our guard down is our moment of weakness. Dissolving the military is simply not an option at this time.[/quote:dca7526fed]it can be improved. we can have a great part-time army instead of a great full-time. more money could be put into the national guard and standing army can get no money.[/quote:dca7526fed]

Im sick of hearing stupid stuff like this.

It is very easy for Confusedyouth to talk from his peaceful homeland....the homeland that does not have atrocities like the many you see and learn about in the present day in most countries of the world....I can see where the "confusion" fits into all of this...

[quote:979d825469="Euphoriaan"]It is very easy for Confusedyouth to talk from his peaceful homeland....the homeland that does not have atrocities like the many you see and learn about in the present day in most countries of the world....I can see where the "confusion" fits into all of this...[/quote:979d825469]
i was just thinking. Euphoriaan, can you talk? where have you traveled lately? i do know CY has seen these atrocities. have you seen them?

So...Every person that has traveled in their lifetime can "talk" or speak about world politics and opinions of how they feel humanity should behave as a whole.....and everyone else who has not should just be quiet because they know nothing?.....<sar>I guess all of those on the forums who have not traveled to other countries please stop debating now, for you know nothing about the world....

I tend to think that most people on here are younger people with no actual thought process just a bases of what their parents said at the dinner table and never actually researching or seeing these events.....

Baaa....I have never been to Europe, but I have seen the soldiers that fought 15 year old germans when they themselves were only 18, they were scared and just shot a Thompson and scared them off...Seeing astrocities and talking with someone and actually understanding the hardships, and trials they went through.

[quote:e0ec8d5926="TheComputerGuy"]I tend to think that most people on here are younger people with no actual thought process just a bases of what their parents said at the dinner table and never actually researching or seeing these events......[/quote:e0ec8d5926]

So basically, if we are younger than you that automatically makes us ignorant? Not true. And, although I can't speak for anyone else on these forums, I do not repeat what my mother and her husband say at the dinner table. My beliefs are in direct conflict with theirs. Just because I'm younger than you, that dosen't mean that I can't think for myself.

Here's my opinion on the difference between a liberal and a conservative.

Give a liberal a problem and he asks for the story. Give a conservative a problem and he asks for the satistics. In other words liberals are more likely to look at the humanity aspect life and situations where ever they are. While a conservative is more likely to look at the situation with a rational mind. Looking at the problem as if it were mathimatical and trying to get it all to add up togather. Neither are right or wrong, they just are. That is why both are needed to run a government successfully.

On the subject of military. Military is something that all should disdain, but it is a required organization. For it is poor ignorances and naivity to believe that you can not have at least the equal military strength of your enemies and remain safe. At times of war we pray for peace, and at times of peace we prepare for war.

On the subject of conservatives being better then liberals. That is pure ignorance. Neither side is better then the other, as a matter of fact they are both rather horrendous and have hijacked this country from its citizens. When you move to one side or another of the pole you lose site of what the opposite end looks like. And with the lack of sight towards the other sides views, you lose sight of your objectivity. Without objectivity you are merely a puppet/clone without any form of individualism.

I actually agree.

If either one was in too much power then it is a bad thing!

You need a little liberal to balance out too much conservativism.

[quote:daf853c191]little[/quote:daf853c191]

That's the key word

Than why in Gods name are you all so conservative..... Hypocrites......

The same could be said about needing only a "little" conservative, Dave.

[quote:c95a6a7ae6="ConfusedYouth"]Than why in Gods name are you all so conservative..... Hypocrites......[/quote:c95a6a7ae6]

Oh, so conservative = hypocrite now.

[quote:403e3aff2c="Ravon"]The same could be said about needing only a "little" conservative, Dave.[/quote:403e3aff2c]

Not in my opinion.

You must not understand what I just said. You said we need to be a little liberal and then I asked you why your so damn coservative if you state we all need to be a little liberal... Thats where the hypocrisy comes in...

Dave the key word in that statement would be "opinion". As they say, opinions don't equal facts.

[quote:4b5fae0fd8="ConfusedYouth"]You must not understand what I just said. You said we need to be a little liberal and then I asked you why your so damn coservative if you state we all need to be a little liberal... Thats where the hypocrisy comes in...[/quote:4b5fae0fd8]

I have a few (very few) opinions that border on the liberal side. I'm still a conservative though.