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ConfusedYouth
08-12-2002, 03:20 PM
In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called "absolute poverty"

Every year 15 million children die of hunger

For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could eat lunch every day for 5 years

Throughout the 1990's more than 100 million children will die from illness and starvation. Those 100 million deaths could be prevented for the price of ten Stealth bombers, or what the world spends on its military in two days!

The World Health Organization estimates that one-third of the world is well-fed, one-third is under-fed one-third is starving- Since you've entered this site at least 200 people have died of starvation. Over 4 million will die this year.

One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5. United Nations Food and Agriculture

The Indian subcontinent has nearly half the world's hungry people. Africa and the rest of Asia together have approximately 40%, and the remaining hungry people are found in Latin America and other parts of the world. Hunger in Global Economy

Nearly one in four people, 1.3 billion - a majority of humanity - live on less than $1 per day, while the world's 358 billionaires have assets exceeding the combined annual incomes of countries with 45 percent of the world's people. UNICEF

3 billion people in the world today struggle to survive on US$2/day.

In 1994 the Urban Institute in Washington DC estimated that one out of 6 elderly people in the U.S. has an inadequate diet.

In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.

The infant mortality rate is closely linked to inadequate nutrition among pregnant women. The U.S. ranks 23rd among industrial nations in infant mortality. African-American infants die at nearly twice the rate of white infants.

One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.

Half of all children under five years of age in South Asia and one third of those in sub-Saharan Africa are malnourished.

In 1997 alone, the lives of at least 300,000 young children were saved by vitamin A supplementation programmes in developing countries.

Malnutrition is implicated in more than half of all child deaths worldwide - a proportion unmatched by any infectious disease since the Black Death

About 183 million children weigh less than they should for their age

To satisfy the world's sanitation and food requirements would cost only US$13 billion- what the people of the United States and the European Union spend on perfume each year.

The assets of the world's three richest men are more than the combined GNP of all the least developed countries on the planet.

Every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger

It is estimated that some 800 million people in the world suffer from hunger and malnutrition, about 100 times as many as those who actually die from it each year.


And you wonder why we fight for Socialism!

TiGGeRsLiLCuTiE
08-12-2002, 03:37 PM
Not meaning to sound completely stupid.. what is socialism?.. Anything relating to politics.. government.. I don't understand .. never have.. Please someone let me know.
On a note about all the malnutrition.. and deaths as a result.. It's sad.. You'd think that someone would do something about it.. I'm sure there's money hidden somewhere.. going to things that people can use.. not necessary things this is.. just wants.. I think it's quite.. selfish and upsetting.

DaveTooner
08-12-2002, 04:45 PM
In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.[/quote:751215143e]

Oh please... please dont tell me that you think that is proof of racism or something. PLEASE don't say that! You are liberal enough without using Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton logic!

ConfusedYouth
08-12-2002, 04:52 PM
Socialism is the belief that children should not have to go to sleep hungry at night. Socialism is the belief that sweatshops are an abomination to the ethic of humaneness. Socialism is the belief that no man should worry about their family's welfare because of a boss replacing the older employees with younger ones. Socialism is the belief that everyone should get paid as much money as they deserve for their job, the belief that we should not have to crawl through each day, the belief that other people should not be the ones in control of our lives. Between the crevices of the individual personality, Socialism arises as naturally as a desire to be affectionate. It arises in ourselves, like any characteristic, this one being dedicated to fairness. Socialism is the belief that cruelty is a vice and kindness is a virtue. This is Socialism.

Specifically, Socialism is the control of the economy to reasonable standards. Laws and regulations which control the sale and purchase of any item or service is a form of Socialism. It has been stated by numerous philosophers that Capitalism, lawlessness in economy, will produce the best effects in the economical standard. Ayn Rand is known to have called selfishness a virtue. Capitalism can be defined as a complete lack of regulation in the economy. That employers have no obligation to pay their workers. Capitalism can be defined as a restrictionless economy. The alternative to Socialism and Capitalism is Communism. In a Communist economy, all of the property is owned by all of the people. Every economical transaction in a Communist government is regulated, as opposed to a Capitalist government, where no economical transaction is regulated.

TiGGeRsLiLCuTiE
08-12-2002, 05:22 PM
Ok, I now understand that all of this is WAY over my head.. so I'll leave this thread to those who understand it. :oops:

ConfusedYouth
08-12-2002, 11:44 PM
Your not alone I bet 98% of all people on this forum who post often could not give the correct definition of Sociaism. Many would confuse it with Communism or possibly something else.

I still think you should participate in this section and perhaps you can learn something and then become an active member in politics.

"If you turn your back on politics than politics will turn its back on you." -Unknown

dusklight
08-13-2002, 04:01 PM
Um ConfusedYouth, what are you trying to say? People don't need statistics to know that yes, 'the people of the world are hungry'.

TheComputerGuy
08-13-2002, 05:02 PM
"Throughout the 1990's more than 100 million children will die from illness and starvation"

Right, that looks to be an old statistic from the formation of the sentence....O Face.

Alright yeah the people of the world are hungry, so why don't you start sending your own money down there and leave me the heck alone.

O Face.

ConfusedYouth
08-13-2002, 05:40 PM
I've dedicated many hours to feeding the homeless. Indeed that is an old statistic but starvation is still on the rise and is going threw the roof.

It's a shame the upper class of the United States would rather forget about the poor than help them and feed them and provide for them.

Starvation exist in the United States and you will wave your flag and tell the people of this nation there free when there going to bed hungry because of the system we live in. I saw a story where a grand-mother works 14 hours a day and lives in a motel because she can't afford the rent of a house or an apartment. She also is very sick and stays on her feet 8 hours a day to tend to her 8 grandchildren. I read another story where a women works 12 hours a day and tends to her four children. On a lucky day she can provide her children with a two course meal. If that is freedom than freedom sucks...

I barely make enough to tend to my self yet I still donate my time and sometimes money to feeding the poor and so can you it's easy and at the end of the day I know I feel better.

DaveTooner
08-13-2002, 05:40 PM
Yeah, you libs are always talking about how it is the government's responsibility to provide for the people. Well, why don't you place responsibility on the governments of these thrid world dictator/commie nations instead of the United States government? And don't say "Because it is the USA's fault that these countries are poor." No one is dumb enough to fall for that tired old liberal line.

DaveTooner
08-13-2002, 05:42 PM
[quote:ee2b8e1ed8]Starvation exist in the United States and you will wave your flag and tell the people of this nation there free when there going to bed hungry because of the system we live in. I saw a story where a grand-mother works 14 hours a day and lives in a motel because she can't afford the rent of a house or an apartment. She also is very sick and stays on her feet 8 hours a day to tend to her 8 grandchildren. I read another story where a women works 12 hours a day and tends to her four children. On a lucky day she can provide her children with a two course meal. If that is freedom than freedom sucks... [/quote:ee2b8e1ed8]

What?!?! I am not poor, but poor people have the same rights as I do. Poor people are free no matter what you pinkos say. Free to work their tails off... free to go to bed hungry. It's everyone's fault but theirs, right?

ConfusedYouth
08-13-2002, 05:47 PM
It should be a responsibility to provide for the common people of the world. There is still thousand upon thousands of people whom still live a barbaric lifestyle even in the United States. Any human and rational person should be willing to help those in need and I'm sure if your in the same position you would ask for the same thing.

Your comment on the commie is a farce. In a communist nation no one would go to bed hungry and there would be no social injustice. We're yet to see a true socialist or communist society so by that I can't take your comment seriously.

TheComputerGuy
08-13-2002, 05:50 PM
CY, lets call you bleeding heart liberal from now on.
"I saw a story"

I read in the bible and know from personal expierence people are moochers and want to free load off people and when they finally get the boot they can't handle it, many a night my father and myself worked long hours to get enough money to survive, why dont you just shut up, you obviously are using all stats over 2 years matter of fact, and et some sense because I do no think anyone owes me anything, and anything I is because of me whether is be bad or good.

DaveTooner
08-13-2002, 05:56 PM
[quote:57907b90f5="ConfusedYouth"]It should be a responsibility to provide for the common people of the world. There is still thousand upon thousands of people whom still live a barbaric lifestyle even in the United States. Any human and rational person should be willing to help those in need and I'm sure if your in the same position you would ask for the same thing.

Your comment on the commie is a farce. In a communist nation no one would go to bed hungry and there would be no social injustice. We're yet to see a true socialist or communist society so by that I can't take your comment seriously.[/quote:57907b90f5]

What part of "self responsibility" do you not understand. It is no one's RESPONSIBILITY but themselves. It is nice to help those who need and deserve it though

ConfusedYouth
08-13-2002, 06:38 PM
I showed you many prime examples of people who take personal responsibility and work 12-14 hours a day to feed there children.It's the governments duty and ours to care for the people who can't get by as hard as they work. There are many stories like this that happen in our country the so called land of the free. I worked with feed the children and they told me that they have had as many as 1,000 (the number of families is higher in other countries) hard working families come to there food drop offs. They said sometimes there is so many families in need they can’t help them all.

Many in Africa and other parts of the world (even in the United States) die because there is nothing there to feed on and as much responsibility as they show the food will not just begin to at there door step. In many parts of the world they suffer from droughts and if there is no water animals and plants begin to die along with people. They can be the most responsible person in the world but in that situation still suffer from starvation.

I showed you many prime examples of people who take personal responsibility and work 12-14 hours a day to feed there children. Many can't provide proper shelter for there children. It's the governments duty and ours to care for the people who can't get by as hard as they work. There are many stories like this that happen in our country the so called land of the free. I worked with feed the children and they told me that they have had as many as 1,000 hard working families come to there food drop offs. They said sometimes there is so many families in need they can’t help them all.

Many in Africa and other parts of the world (even in the United States) die because there is nothing there to feed on and as much responsibility as they show the food will not just begin to at there door step. In many parts of the world they suffer from droughts and if there is no water animals and plants begin to die along with people. They can be the most responsible person in the world but in that situation still suffer from starvation.

I quote from the statue of liberty "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

TheComputerGuy
08-13-2002, 08:02 PM
ummm ok, The statue of liberty was made for what era in americas history?

If you feel so strongly that we should feed americans, then you must be mad as hell that these mexicans come into our country illegally and suck the system dry while these hard working americans work their butt off and pay and these illegal citizens do this.

DaveTooner
08-13-2002, 08:11 PM
[quote:1749a22395]I showed you many prime examples of people who take personal responsibility and work 12-14 hours a day to feed there children[/quote:1749a22395]

I never said they didn't take responsibility, I said that you don't see that as a requirement. If one job isn't working out for you, look for another one. Merle Haggard was born in a box car, for God's sake, so don't tell me you can't break the chains of poverty (no one said it was going to be easy!)

[quote:1749a22395]"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"[/quote:1749a22395]

So you translate that into "Give us your poor so we can give them everything they need" No, that is not what it was intended to mean, I'm afraid.

ConfusedYouth
08-13-2002, 08:25 PM
The statistics of people breaking the chains is sadly a low percentage. It's like a giant circle of poverty that continues to go round and round. When children are dead because of lack of food or anything in that manner than we need a change. A child only can do so much at such a young age and they only age so fast so there is going to be a time when all they can do is rely on what they have.

DaveTooner
08-13-2002, 09:34 PM
[quote:e07cc3562e]The statistics of people breaking the chains is sadly a low percentage.[/quote:e07cc3562e]

Like I said, it isn't easy. But if someone says "I work 60 hours a week at McDonalds and I still can't support my family" that makes me think two things.

1). What do you expect from McDonalds? If it ain't working, try something else.

2). You should have thought of this before you started a family.

ConfusedYouth
08-13-2002, 09:41 PM
Most times they can't can't find better pay because the have a lack in education and don't have the money to return and further educate them selves.

We are now in a resession and millions have lost there job and will continue to do so and because of this there will be many jobless for quite a while and because of that they can't pay rent or pay for food and so they end up at the lower end of society. This also has happened with former employees at Enron and World Com. Many had famlies started and now they will suffer at the hands of the system.

In some cultures it's normal to have 10 kids because chance has it 7 will die from starvation. I'd love my kid even if I had no money and I think they would love me the same. Many of these people who starve are single parent homes and it's ussually the mother who cares for the child and the father has run off and is'nt willing to pay child support. And even so should the children still suffer?

JWB
08-13-2002, 09:53 PM
I'm 16 and have never had a job before, and I got a job after simply stopping a few places. Furthermore, must be some stupid people 10 have 10 kids if 7 die from starvation, why dont they have 2 and feed them then 10 kids food.

ConfusedYouth
08-13-2002, 10:36 PM
In places like Africa they have 10 children over time not all at one time!

DaveTooner
08-13-2002, 10:39 PM
[quote:eb7aa1a280]Many of these people who starve are single parent homes and it's ussually the mother who cares for the child and the father has run off and is'nt willing to pay child support. And even so should the children still suffer?
[/quote:eb7aa1a280]

In a case such as this, I would actually have to agree with you. But I would also go after the dead-beat dad and slap a fine or some time on his rear, know what I mean?

ConfusedYouth
08-13-2002, 10:45 PM
I can't stand to hear of stories where the father left the children... You don't have a heart if you do that...

dusklight
08-14-2002, 05:45 AM
[quote:c757680b03="ConfusedYouth"]It's a shame the upper class of the United States would rather forget about the poor than help them and feed them and provide for them.[/quote:c757680b03]

How did they end up poor in the first place? No qualifications because they dropped out of high school? That's not the fault of others. Got addicted to coke? That's not the fault of others. Had unprotected sex and got pregnant at 16? That's not the fault of others. So why should others have to pay them for their mistakes? Having said that, I think the government should provide them with [i:c757680b03]just[/i:c757680b03] enough money to survive. Because I think that every human being has the right to be able to survive. But [i:c757680b03]only just enough money to survive.[/i:c757680b03]

[quote:c757680b03="CY"]It should be a responsibility to provide for the common people of the world[/quote:c757680b03]

Whose responsibility? Why should America 'provide for the common people of the world'? If you just gave a bunch of third world countries a whole lot of food, it would be worth less, so the prices would go down, so the farmers would lose money. The farmers in your country that grow the food in the first place, well there's some more poor people you could help. Also, the farmers in the third world countries would end up losing money because what with all this foreign food being given to them, their produce would be less in demand, so their prices would go down etc etc.

[quote:c757680b03="CY"]Many in Africa and other parts of the world (even in the United States) die because there is nothing there to feed on and as much responsibility as they show the food will not just begin to at there door step. In many parts of the world they suffer from droughts and if there is no water animals and plants begin to die along with people. They can be the most responsible person in the world but in that situation still suffer from starvation.[/quote:c757680b03]

But why should America be responsible?

[quote:c757680b03="CY"]Most times they can't can't find better pay because they have a lack in education and don't have the money to return and further educate them selves.[/quote:c757680b03]

And why do they have a lack of education? Dropped out of high school? They can take out a loan for a night class. It would be hard, but then they can't complain when they dropped out or high shcool.

[quote:c757680b03="DaveTooner"]In a case such as this, I would actually have to agree with you. But I would also go after the dead-beat dad and slap a fine or some time on his rear, know what I mean?[/quote:c757680b03]

Yeah they should make it mandatory for a parent that runs off to pay to support the child.

Just out of interest, what are the welfare laws in America?

DaveTooner
08-14-2002, 09:50 AM
[quote:a9264031ce]Just out of interest, what are the welfare laws in America?
[/quote:a9264031ce]

I don't know how little money you have to make to be qualified or anything, but here's what I do know.

I think that there is some time period after you start on welfare that you have to get a job within. Also I think there is some time limit (like 5 consecutiveyears maybe?) that you can be on welfare. From what I've heard, these regulations are enforced very poorly. Also people take advantage of the system. People like drug addicts will have more childeren on purpose, so that they get more money, then neglect the kids. It is pathetic. These people should not have my money. (the last statistic I heard was that 70% of welfare recipients have a substance abuse problem. coincidence?)

Sorry I couldn't give more info, I may look some stuff up.

dusklight
08-14-2002, 12:00 PM
Cheers. :)

kapelu
08-14-2002, 03:32 PM
all the citizens of given country will be born with the right to 5 acres of land. when they become adults, they can walk into the proper government building and ask for their deed.

a man with land is not poor. i learned that in paraguay. i lived in a community called Pinto_Acahay for two months and saw how they used their land to live even though they lacked money even to ride the bus. their standard of living was nowhere near ours in the U.S., but they did not die young and they did not die sad.

your curious where all this land is going to come from i bet. well, first off, it does not need to be 5 acres, it could be less. second off, the government could probably buy land from those who have a lot to spare.

it is only a suggestion. think about it.