Once and for all,
How much longer can God possibly allow human suffering to continue?

Is it God they makes humans suffer or is it the humans themself?

Humans make themselves suffer. There is no "God" to do it for them. So only we can fix our problems ourselves.

What makes you so sure there is no God, and where is the proof?

Burden of proof lies on you, making the extrodinary claims.

What makes me so sure? No god would allow their creation to atrophy like this "creation" has.

Originally posted by Lithorien
Burden of proof lies on you, making the extrodinary claims.

What makes me so sure? No god would allow their creation to atrophy like this "creation" has.

Been taking "God" classes lately? How do YOU know exactly what he planned from the beginning? Do you honestly think he has let us know every little detail?

Originally posted by Lithorien
]Burden of proof lies on you, making the extrodinary claims.

And what claims have I made?

What makes me so sure? No god would allow their creation to atrophy like this "creation" has.

Here is a thought, humans create, so when a man and woman make a baby do they allways know everything that is going on with junior? Lets say God created and then moved on to the next thing, why would he/she/it have to prove anything, after all God allready did the hard part, the creation itself. Why does God have to baby sit??? If God is truely the Allmighty why would he/she/it have to prove anything to a human???

Originally posted by Lithorien
Humans make themselves suffer. There is no "God" to do it for them. So only we can fix our problems ourselves.

no proof...why dont you just shut the fuck up about if there is or isnt a God because you are insulting people

Originally posted by Swede
Been taking "God" classes lately? How do YOU know exactly what he planned from the beginning? Do you honestly think he has let us know every little detail?

Extrapolation based on teachings in the Bible.

Since the teachings of Jesus (who is supposed to be God) state that you need to be kind, and caring, and such to your fellow man; I have to assume that because he is "God" that he would act like that if he existed.

IF he existed.

Originally posted by mad dog
And what claims have I made?

That there is a god.

Originally posted by mad dog
Here is a thought, humans create, so when a man and woman make a baby do they allways know everything that is going on with junior? Lets say God created and then moved on to the next thing, why would he/she/it have to prove anything, after all God allready did the hard part, the creation itself. Why does God have to baby sit??? If God is truely the Allmighty why would he/she/it have to prove anything to a human???

Humans do have children, and no, they don't know everything that is going on with them. HOWEVER, they still try to provide the best home that they can for the children if they love their kids.

Assuming that there is a "Loving God", you have to assume that it would provide a good home for humans. I don't call a world full of suffering a good home.

Originally posted by no moore please
no proof...why dont you just shut the fuck up about if there is or isnt a God because you are insulting people

*yawns*

And your insistance that there is a god is an insult to rational thinkers. If you want to go there, you're as guilty as insulting people as I am.

Originally posted by no moore please
no proof...why dont you just shut the fuck up about if there is or isnt a God because you are insulting people

Nice...tell someone to STFU, and accuse THEM of insulting people :rolleyes:

no moore...this is the RELIGION FORUM...this is where people discuss religious ideas...like the existence of God.

This is NOT the YOU MUST BELIEVE IN GOD OR STFU FORUM...:slap:

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Nice...tell someone to STFU, and accuse THEM of insulting people :rolleyes:

no moore...this is the RELIGION FORUM...this is where people discuss religious ideas...like the existence of God.

This is NOT the YOU MUST BELIEVE IN GOD OR STFU FORUM...:slap:

anyone who wants to debate about if there is or isnt a god is a moron. this lithorien is a little piunk rocker who watchs michael moore films....he is a young idioteque.
want to talk about religion since you say this is the religion forum i am going to state my opinion.
anyone who denys that there is a God will be in hell one day. that will stir some controversy but since everyone says whatever they want to offend people i will

Originally posted by no moore please
this lithorien is a little piunk rocker who watchs michael moore films....he is a young idioteque.
Oh boy, you really refuted his arguments! :rolleyes:

NMP,

You just said that debating whether god exists is stupid. Okay, let's say that it is so. Then what kind of religious topic would you actually be interested in discussing with intelligence and enthusiasm? Or do you think there shouldn't be a religion section at all because it's futile to talk about religion when people disagree based on difference of faith/ideals/perspectives? How would you like everyone to behave in the religion section, if you are the moderator?

Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
NMP,

You just said that debating whether god exists is stupid. Okay, let's say that it is so. Then what kind of religious topic would you actually be interested in discussing with intelligence and enthusiasm? Or do you think there shouldn't be a religion section at all because it's futile to talk about religion when people disagree based on difference of faith/ideals/perspectives? How would you like everyone to behave in the religion section, if you are the moderator?

i wouldnt have one. others like to talk about it, but i myself rarely post here.

i dont try to push my beliefs on others because it is FAITH. i am not a missionary. i have my beliefs and everyone else has their own. keep it to themselves. i dont say that there is NO GOD but if it is ok, ill say what my personal beliefs are.

my last post on allforums by the way. bye folks

yikes!

Originally posted by Lithorien
That there is a god.

Yes I have said there is a God, I also {in past post} have admitting to seeing God in a different way then most.



Humans do have children, and no, they don't know everything that is going on with them. HOWEVER, they still try to provide the best home that they can for the children if they love their kids.

Thankyou for proving my point. If God wanted to he/she/it could have stuck us on some planet where things aren't so beautifull. It gave everything we need to survive and then some. So you just admitted God provided the best home we could want.

Assuming that there is a "Loving God", you have to assume that it would provide a good home for humans.

Once again go outside and take a deep breathe or go get a cold drink of fresh water.

I don't call a world full of suffering a good home.

What suffering are you talking about, most of the suffering in this world is brought on by the human.

Originally posted by no moore please
no proof...why dont you just shut the fuck up about if there is or isnt a God because you are insulting people]

Why would anyone be insulted, if you truely believe then tell why, if you don't then tell why. There is nothing insulting about a persons beliefs, ignorance is what ends up being insulting.

Originally posted by no moore please
]anyone who wants to debate about if there is or isnt a god is a moron.

Anyone, that can't atleast try to explain their point of view is a moron. Even if a person does believe in God which type of religion do they believe in and why. Just take a look around there are hundreds of different beliefs.


want to talk about religion since you say this is the religion forum i am going to state my opinion.
anyone who denys that there is a God will be in hell one day. that will stir some controversy but since everyone says whatever they want to offend people i will

I would really like to know what makes you so sure there is a hell and why just because someone doesn't see things your way, why would they end up in hell? I believe very much in a bigger power but I sure as heck don't buy into any of this hell bull. Do you know why hell may have been created in the 1st place. It was to scare non-believers into the churches way of thinking. At the time religion is where one got power, so the more followers you have the more power you end up with.

Originally posted by mad dog Yes I have said there is a God, I also {in past post} have admitting to seeing God in a different way then most.

That's fair enough.

Originally posted by mad dog Thankyou for proving my point. If God wanted to he/she/it could have stuck us on some planet where things aren't so beautifull. It gave everything we need to survive and then some. So you just admitted God provided the best home we could want.

That's making the assumption that the world we live on is the best possible world we could ever exist on. There's absolutely no way this world is the best possible world for us. No way.

Originally posted by mad dog Once again go outside and take a deep breathe or go get a cold drink of fresh water.

Walk up to a feral animal and listen to your last thoughts as it tears you in half and eats you. A good parent would never allow a deadly animal near their child - why does "God"?

Originally posted by mad dog What suffering are you talking about, most of the suffering in this world is brought on by the human.

Here you have a point. Most suffering on this planet is brought on by humans - that is, except starvation, or plague, or homelessness..

praying is no use. If you want something to be changed, change it yourself, even it is to defy god.

NO MOORE PLEASE wrote:
my last post on allforums by the way. bye folks

After hearing that quote, I think there is a God after all.

MAD DOG wrote:
What suffering are you talking about, most of the suffering in this world is brought on by the human.

Lets see, there's earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, lightning, floods, still births, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome...

Originally posted by Lithorien
[quote]That's making the assumption that the world we live on is the best possible world we could ever exist on. There's absolutely no way this world is the best possible world for us. No way.

What is so bad about this planet? I know that there is a possiblity that there is a world full of cute bunnies and soft sheets but this world is not bad. :)



Walk up to a feral animal and listen to your last thoughts as it tears you in half and eats you. A good parent would never allow a deadly animal near their child - why does "God"?

Is this Gods fault or is it just a happening? Lets be real the meanest animal on this planet is a human. Humans cause more crap then anything.



Here you have a point. Most suffering on this planet is brought on by humans - that is, except starvation, or plague, or homelessness.. ]

Plague I can understand, and I don't have an answer. Starvation, homelessness, etc.... is brought on by humans themselfs. If a person is an able body they will be able to provide for themselfs if they try.

Originally posted by dnamertz
lets see, there's earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, lightning, floods, still births, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome...

I can agree these things may suck for you and I, but maybe the earth needs them to keep itself in balance??? Just because we don't understand doesn't mean it is wrong it only means it's happening.

It upsets me TERRIBLY
that their is so much
Human suffering in the World,

As in the Days of Noah and the Ark,
when will God say, hopefully VERY soon in the future that

Enough is Enough, and eliminate all human SUFFERING
Once and for all !!!

Human suffering.
If the statement that " we are usually our own worst enemy" is true.
Then I must consider that we create much, but not all, of our own suffering.

Prayer does make changes. Where that change comes from may be as simple as from with-in. Science says that much of our brain power is unused in day to day activities. What miracles are possible by reaching the subconcious thru prayer?
What if each of you are your own God? Capable of creating changes thru the proper use of your own mental storehouse of untapped resources.

In this case God would truely exist. In you.

For those that think my views strange or unnatural,
I think it strange that you do not feel the kinship with the natural order of the Universe and nature that I feel naturally.