O'REILLY: Come on, tell me how much time you deserve on my show. How about I give you 8 minutes?

MICHAEL MOORE: You and I should be in a neutral setting.

O'REILLY: This will be neutral.

MOORE: But it's your show... cut off the mike... you're going to...

O'REILLY: ... I never gave anybody the opportunity...

MOORE: How long do you want to go?

O'REILLY: Eight, eight minutes. You've got to keep it pithy, though.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,127140,00.html

8pm and or 11pm depending on where you live…if you want to watch these two guys go head to head.

Moore doesn't impress me in the least.

Ahh, well Moore won that debate.

:D

OK. O'Reilly sat there and wouldn't let Moore finish a sentence without interrupting. OK. O'Reilly fears Moore. OK. O'Reilly is a liar [on record]. He distorts facts. OK. O'Reilly is a bully. OK. Screw him AND the FNC. OK.

I like it when O'Reilly concluded with (something like) "become blinded by idealogy is bad for both sides". It was a fair comment.

Moore is a liar...don't give me some BS that either one are straight shooters.

Moore's movie is full of lies...and yet people say how great he is.


He is shit!

Originally posted by TheComputerGuy
Moore is a liar...

Care to point out when he has lied?

Originally posted by TheComputerGuy
Moore's movie is full of lies...

Care to give me an example in which you’ve seen?

Originally posted by TheComputerGuy
and yet people say how great he is.

Well you haven’t given me any reason not to think he is great.

Originally posted by TheComputerGuy
He is shit!

He is?

OK. O'Reilly sat there and wouldn't let Moore finish a sentence without interrupting. OK. O'Reilly fears Moore. OK. O'Reilly is a liar [on record]. He distorts facts. OK. O'Reilly is a bully. OK. Screw him AND the FNC. OK.

But remember, he's Fair and Balanced...when you agree with him.

Moore was asking a bunch of stupid questions designed to mearly impress other liberals. "would you sacrafice your child to secure fallujah?" WTF is that? why not say "would you sacrafice your child to drive from one side of baghdad to the other?" or asking some WW2 mother "would you sacraqfice your child to secure 50 feet of trenchline?" its sa stupid thing to ask becasue it shows how narrow your focus is. and overdose, check my sig link, it will give you moore then enough examples of when he lied

Even when Moore tells the truth he cuts certain parts out so it looks good for him. So he may not be lying totally put he sure can stretch things out. Moore is just out to make money and at this time he gets more credit for being a dumba** then if he just went with the flow. Moore uses people to build himself up, the funny part about this is he is using the people that think he's right. Some day those folks will come out of their coma's and see the light.

they are called useful idiots mad dog. Moore says what they like and want to hear, then they parrot his agenda all over the place and insist that every bit of it is true. Even when they are presented with facts that prove he has been anything but truthful they bury their head deeper and keep on insisting that Moore somehow has uncoverd something deeper then even their advanced minds could uncover

Originally posted by Overdose
Care to point out when he has lied?



Care to give me an example in which you’ve seen?



Well you haven’t given me any reason not to think he is great.



He is?
he lied about the golf scene in f911

It all just goes to show, "If you tell a big enough lie and you tell it long enough, eventually, it will become true." Can anyone tell me who said that?

Originally posted by Evil Homer
It all just goes to show, "If you tell a big enough lie and you tell it long enough, eventually, it will become true." Can anyone tell me who said that? I dont know who said that the way its worded but Lenin said something along the same vein. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Lenin
Maybe he said it both ways for all i know.
:)

Hehe. Actually it was Adolf Hitler. Funny, both lenin and hitler... Ironic isnt it?

Originally posted by no moore please
he lied about the golf scene in f911

He did? Tell me where he spoke during that scene in the movie.

overdose, as you are fond of pointing out that bush lied to america by implying things, taht is exactly waht moore does. ya, bush actually said those things, but it wasnt about al qeada or 9-11. of course since it was in a movie called "farenheit 9-11" people who watch it will automatically assume he was refering to the 9-11 terrorists. see how that works? clever editing and out of context quotes can do wonders. it can actually make people like you stand up and defend something so obviously false as hard fact. I challenge you to get the entire transcript of that scene and show me where it relates to 9-11 directly, as the movie is supposed to do.

Originally posted by Travh20
overdose, as you are fond of pointing out that bush lied to america by implying things, taht is exactly waht moore does. ya, bush actually said those things, but it wasnt about al qeada or 9-11. of course since it was in a movie called "farenheit 9-11" people who watch it will automatically assume he was refering to the 9-11 terrorists. see how that works? clever editing and out of context quotes can do wonders. it can actually make people like you stand up and defend something so obviously false as hard fact. I challenge you to get the entire transcript of that scene and show me where it relates to 9-11 directly, as the movie is supposed to do.

it is funny how when od misleads by implying things it is ok, but when it happens to his side it doesnt count.

No, it's not funny at all...it's repugnant.

His blind faith is completely disgusting, and his childish "prove it" bulls*** is getting rather tiresome. You could site several of Moore’s erroneous statements and assertions, but OD would follow up the post with, "show me specifically where he said that", all the while, arguing some other completely off base, partisan, nonsensical garbage in the process. Not as if it was proof he wanted in the first place…you could supply black and white, factually based info, and he’d still chant the mantra “show me” like some sort of callow grade school child. If he wants to take everything that corpulent toad, Michael Moore, says as gospel...then god love him.

Originally posted by Travh20
overdose, as you are fond of pointing out that bush lied to america by implying things, taht is exactly waht moore does.
I’ve come to the conclusion that George Bush didn’t lie, but that the reasons he gave were completely wrong for the Iraq War. But, I guess not even you can't point out where Moore lied.

Originally posted by Travh20
of course since it was in a movie called "farenheit 9-11" people who watch it will automatically assume he was refering to the 9-11 terrorists.
Did he lie? That is what I’m getting at. And would you care to provide the link to where it proves all of what you are saying?

Originally posted by Travh20
clever editing and out of context quotes can do wonders. it can actually make people like you stand up and defend something so obviously false as hard fact.
Sorry, clever editing doesn’t make the whole movie a fake and a fraud. You’ve yet to show me where he has lied or given me a link to prove what you’re saying.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
His blind faith is completely disgusting
No, I think it’s your blind hate that’s disgusting.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
and his childish "prove it" bulls*** is getting rather tiresome.
Then why bother replying? We’ve debated this before, and I did refute all of what you said. Yet, you seem to want to continue this bulls***

Originally posted by The Praetorian
You could site several of Moore’s erroneous statements and assertions, but OD would follow up the post with, "show me specifically where he says that"
No, I would defend the statements Moore made, as I have done in the past.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
while arguing some other completely off base partisan, nonsensical garbage in the process.
It’s funny how you seem to think the attackers of Moore are not “partisan”

Originally posted by The Praetorian
you could supply black and white, factually based info
Haven’t done that yet, now have you?

OVERDOSE< CHECK MY SIG LINK YOU DUMBASS

Then why bother replying? We’ve debated this before, and I did refute all of what you said. Yet, you seem to want to continue this bulls***

If you paid closer attention to the thread, you'd see that I wasn't debating anything with you in my last post here. I was expounding my belief that you'll willingly partake in meritless arguments to prove that Michael Moore is ethical. IT IS Bulls***, and that's all there is to it. The statement I made was originally directed to No Moore Please, not you. In essence, I've given up, OD, and so has everyone else, if you haven't noticed...The reason was because this whole argument bordered on the type debate someone would have with a very verbose wall. It just wasn't worth the effort.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
If you paid closer attention to the thread, you'd see that I wasn't debating anything with you in my last post here. I was expounding my belief that you'll willingly partake in meritless arguments to prove that Michael Moore is ethical.
Isn’t this what allforums is about? To debate issues like Michael Moore? If you do not want to do so, then do not say I’m unethical about believing him, because I’m willing to debate anything that is thrown out about Moore. You’re the one who is dancing around the issues, pulling accusations out of thin air, with no validation. I’ve defended Moore, and if you fail to realize this, then so be it. I do not appreciate when you try and make it appear that I’m an idiot because I defend Moore. You’re the one who is scared of a debate, and that in essence isn’t my fault nor my issue.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
IT IS Bulls***, and that's all there is to it.
I’m sorry you feel this way, but you have not given me a reason to believe Moore is a liar or a propaganda piece. All you can do is offer me links to Right Wing extremists who attack Moore.

I highly doubt you’ve seen F-9/11, and you just take what the Right Wing Extremists say and believe that. So in all actuality you’re believing people, who are liars and propaganda pieces themselves.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
In essence, I've given up, OD, and so has everyone else, if you haven't noticed...
I’m sick of you, thinking you can speak for everyone else. You can believe I’m an idiot for defending Moore, and that’s’ okay with me. If you don’t want to debate this, fine. But if you cannot give me a valid reason to support your accusations, then everything you say is just as meaningless as what I say.

overdose, have you looked at my sig link yet?

Originally posted by Travh20
overdose, have you looked at my sig link yet?

Trav, I want an observation from you. I've seen that site many times, because that's all the Moore haters have, they just copy unoriginal links, to prove their case, when in reality, you yourself haven't observed anything and are just going off of a link, that could very well be lies too, since you haven't seen the movie.

What "observation" from Trav were you looking for, OD? Did you mean to say that you wanted him to realize something? A fact, perhaps??? Maybe, you want him accept the entire Michael Moore fan base as being factually rooted in reality. While coming to this epiphany, should he then make the concession that MM's telling the truth instead of believing the "lies" spread by MM haters and their respective websites? In essence, you want him to believe one theory, while disregarding fact to do so.

Well, tough titties, kid. You accuse us of blindly hating Moore because we haven't seen his most current film, F9/11, but fail to realize that, and I can't speak for Trav here, but I've seen Rodger and me, and Boling for Columbine. Both of which, pissed me off immensely. Digest what MM gives you to swallow, OD, for that's the sign of a true intellectual. If you can't see beyond your nose, your age might be the culprit, but don't pretend, for one second, that you know what the hell bipartisan fairness is all about.

Dancing around the situation at hand seems to be your strong suit. You attack Moore and give no validation for your argument. If you’ve seen Bowling for Columbine, please take your best jabs at it. I’ll debate you on this any day. You are the one who is dancing around the issues, talking about my “blind love” and how Moore is a “liar”. Yet, you refuse to debate the issue at hand. Basically, cut the crap and debate. If you don’t want to debate or provide examples for your accusations, then don’t make them. You can say I’m a bad debater or that I don’t listen…but that just shows you dancing around the issues again, like you always do.

Originally posted by Overdose
Trav, I want an observation from you. I've seen that site many times, because that's all the Moore haters have, they just copy unoriginal links, to prove their case, when in reality, you yourself haven't observed anything and are just going off of a link, that could very well be lies too, since you haven't seen the movie.

you can not be serious. What the hell have you "observed" but the stupid movie itself? and that is not the only site, its one of many. they all go over moores lies point by point, with documentation and examples. your hero is a freaking liar, face it. if his movie were believable, dont you think he would be dead or bush and his evil regime would be in jail right now? its all a big load of crap kid.

Dancing around the issues, giving no validation to what you’re saying? Yes, you have your link that is about all you have. You don’t know if that link is full of lies, because you haven’t observed much in the movies. Quiet avoiding the issues, and give me an example you’ve observed from any of his movies. Until then, don’t make accusations you cannot defend.

what the hell are you talking about? what makes you so sure the movie is so true? becasue it was in a movie theatre it must be true? everyone else MUST prove him wrong, he doesnt have to prove himself right. look at the site again overdose, there are direct refrences to exact things claimed by moore, with documentation proving them wrong. what the hell else do you want. I am abot done talking to your silly ass.

Care to give any examples to prove your point?

can I slap this idiot now? go to the fucking link you dumbass! that is the example! I swear this guy is loopy.

I have gone to the link Trav, I’ve read it. I’d like you to give me an example you’ve seen and witnessed. The site you gave me is a right wing fanatic site. If you want to trust the other extreme side, fine. Yet, for all you know that site could be full of lies. If you can’t give me an example you’ve seen, then you have no room to talk.

ya, micheal moore is such a well know bastione of truth and also very non partisan, willing to look at things from both side. :rolleyes: that site is just some crazy whackjob site like you said, while moore is right there in the mainstream :rolleyes:

OK, lets see, I cant post links, so how do I give you an example overdose> could I copy and paste or should I type it out longhand?

for all I know the site could be full of lies? for all you know moore could be full of shit.

No, I would like a lie or example you’ve witnessed…Trav. Just give me a few from Bowling for Columbine…since you’ve (I’m guessing) saw it.

fine, here, there are a bunch of them, enjoy.

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

Funny how you expect me to believe a Right Wing site, and how you say you will never believe a liar like Moore a Left Wing extremist. You refuse to be original and think for yourself. You see, you just believe whatever the Right Wing spews to you, when in reality you have no examples you’ve seen yourself. Give me something you’ve seen and gone, “Oh Moore is lying right there!”…And don’t just copy and paste because you know what Trav? You call on me for having a blind love for him (even though I defend him) but yet, you have blind hate, true blind hate. You take the Right Wing sites and believe them, without having an original observation. I’m not saying Moore is a god he does have his flaws. Even I know a few examples where he has been wrong, yet, I’m waiting for you to show me an example in which you know is wrong.

ummm, listen, they take what he claims, and with pacts stating other wise refute it, what is so frweaking hard to comprehend about that overdose? I know seeing your hero brought down like that is painful but dont jump my ass for it. and you tellin gme I just paste things with no imagination is like micheal moore calling someone fat. I know he is wrong becasue I see what he said, and see how FACTS SAY OTHERWISE, in the real world, that is how you prove someone wrong overdose, learn it.

As I thought, Trav wouldn’t bring an original observation, he made, to the table. Typical…Trav.

Well I’m glad we had this debate, you sure gave me substantial evidence to prove to me that Moore is wrong.

Although, you failed to read that I admitted he does have his flaws and even I saw them in the movies. Yet, you can’t give me one example you’ve witnessed…you just believe the Right Wing sites…

...:)

what makes you so sure the movie is so true? becasue it was in a movie theatre it must be true? everyone else MUST prove him wrong, he doesnt have to prove himself right. look at the site again overdose, there are direct refrences to exact things claimed by moore, with documentation proving them wrong.

I have not seen the movie so I won't argue whether it, or the Moorelies website is full of lies. However, Trav, what makes you so sure the website is so true? Because its on the internet, it must be true?

The movie and website are just as capable of being full of lies...they both appear to be made by fanatics from either side. With all the books, talk shows, websites, newpapers, and news channels out there theses days trying to contradict each other, I honestly don't know who to trust and who is lying anymore.