this is explanation, not a justification, i have no need to justify myself to anyone, nor has anyone any need to justify themselves to me.

everyone in this world craves acceptance, humans are not excluded from this want. insects and spiders are about the only ones that need just three things; food, shelter and a mate to reproduce. these are also the same things that humans want, with one or more exception, we crave communication. people might think that we are the only ones who are capable of emotion, thus putting themselves above all other species, this of course is not true. bonding can a form of love, which animals like;
wolves, bears, horses also feel. people might also put them above other animals with the assumption that humans have been out of the forrest for 10,000 years, not true. where we live; in houses, what houses made of; trees, and i think we all know where trees come from. anyway back to bonding, humans may think we are the only ones capable of hating, nope, ones who are able to bond/love are also going to capable to hate, therefore we are a lot like dogs and other animals.

we humans have attempted to overcome this displacement from the forrest, by placing plants and pets in and around our homes, in order to feel more at home.

we all have likes and dislikes and yes included in these likes are sexual preferances. heterosexuality may not be the majority in the these preferances. take a look at how many zoophiles, plushophiles, sado masochists(carl sade died in 1998 in a mental institution
http://www.debatabase.com/details.asp?topicID=140),
transvestites, transexuals, hermaphrodites, homosexuals, lesbians, etc.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0341/is_2_56/ai_66419866

many years ago it was homosexuals who were at the time in the mental institutions. why? because at the time it was seen as a "sickness". how can following what you know to be true in your own heart be considered a sickness? who i am i to tell a homosexual man that it is bad and wrong to attracted to another man? for that matter who are you to tell me it is wrong to be attracted to a girl? have i ever been asked out by another man? yes i have. what did i do? turned him down in two seconds flat.
why didnt i get angry and appalled about being asked out by him?
because thats his preferance, he is following his heart.

think about this, many years ago homosexuals were put into institutions, homosexuality was not talked about in a pleasant or understanding manner, from birth kids were told that homosexuality is a sickness and the only way to cure it is shock treatment and or conviction in a court. it is possible that kids only learned of homosexuality in a passive conversation adults were having with each other, in which hateful things were said toward anyone who dared have such disgusting thoughts.
some of these kids listening were in fact homosexual themselves, but dare reveal their preferances to any adult for fear of "reprisal", yes i said reprisal because many parents felt that any child of theirs who had such thoughts, was in fact a danger to the parents and their ability to raise a healthy "normal" human being, thus the parents would have been hurt. but they would have only been hurt because they had not taken the time to listen and understand their own children, therefore the children went throughout their lives hoping someone would take their feelings seriously.

did these children ever feel they had an healthy outlet for their sexual urges and need for companionship of another male? no they didnt. why? they had no support system, like the one in place presently, they had no one telling them their feelings are natural and perfectly ok, therefore they lived out their lives hateful and resentful. what education did they have about what their feelings and urges meant, the parents and adults in passive conversation as above. so what did these children learn to do? hide their feelings for other males from family and friends, accept that their sexual urges were in fact monsterous and hateful and if anyone found out they would hated as the child already hates themselves, for even thinking they had the right to have these feelings, because they didnt have the right to have those feelings or at least thats what these kids learned. this is what all "girl lovers" are going through today, this same misinformation about who they are and why they are here on earth.

.....wait, why they are here on earth? imo we all here for the same reason, to love. why are you, the reader, here on earth?
yes we are also here to reproduce, but do homosexuals reproduce? no, not unless they visit the sperm bank for a donation. with magnatude of people here on earth right now and increasing scarcity of food, do we need everyone on earth reproducing right now? no, we as a people have enough reproduction of beautiful children going on right now.

with most heterosexual men they are more concerned about how big the womens breasts are, imo this is totally disgusting,
i dont think its possible for me to like breasts any less.


my reason for dating girls.

I love "dating" little girls and have done so for years with the parents' full knowledge and permission. I have taken them to movies, high tea, and this weekend, I'm taking one to a local museum.

I enjoy their company, their observations on the world around them, and I have never done anything or said anything that would inspire anything but the highest trust in what I am doing and my reasons.

when dating an girl, i am in an HONEST relationship, there is no bullshit, no pretention, nothing like that, i am with her, and she is with me, we are having fun, because if we weren't having fun, we wouldn't be there, we'd be somewhere else... or something like that ... 'adult relationships' are such a load of bullcrap
(IMHO) ... I've only ever had 'childish' relationships,
even with adult women ...

To hug. To play games. To laugh and to cry.
To experience life without the masks that the world
forces upon us. To show her that someone loves her for who she is, rather than what they want her to be.

I can think of a whole lot more places to take a little
girl than I can think to take an adult (or same age)
woman. Unless you don't like fun stuff like waterparks
and science museums or whatever she happens to be into,
I don't see why dating a little girl would be anything
but fun!

1. a date doesnt cost $75 you are almost guaranteed
to get a kiss and hug at the end. (you get more out of the evening)


2. the girl is happy to see you and practically bowls
you over in her joy,

in stead of standing back and taking notes on your
car,shoes,and clothes

3. when you are with a girl,she is happy to be her silly
self and if you act silly with her she is happier for it,she isnt
embarrassed to be seen with you...

4. she is open and honest and tells you what she wants
to do.

you dont have to try and guess and then watch in agony as she sits
bored and blames you for the poor choice of venue

5. the hugs and kisses you get from this silky,fragrant
little nymph lifts your spirits more

..than an hour in bed with a
selfish,boring adult

6. she eats what she orders.

she doesnt pretend not to
be hungry or order only a salad and then be moody for the rest of the night because she is really hungry and her blood
sugar has dropped to 60.

7. she doesnt ask you if she is pretty,if you like her
dress,or if you think she is fat. she doesnt care. she has
enough sense to realize that you must like her because you are
with her.

8. chances are if she notices you looking at another
girl,she will not be mad. she will likely know the girl herself,or at least invite her over.

9. win her a prize at the game stand and she will talk
about you to her friends and family non-stop for hours.

10. at the end of the date,if she has fallen asleep on
the ride home,she is light enough to carry into the
house...

11. ::giggle from her:: "Did you see the look on my mothers face?
That was COOL!"

Womans response: - "I can't believe you were so rude to my
mother!"

12. Girl: - If you have no job, no stability, etc, then she
knows you've always got time for her and only cares
about your money if you can't get her an ice cream at
the DQ in town

Woman: - If you have no job, no stability, etc, then
she's not interested

13. Girl: - She'll do everything she can to imitate you

Woman: - She'll do everything she can to change you

14. Girl: - When she leaves, it's expected and
understandable and NOT because she doesn't love you (and
you actually CAN still be friends with her)

Woman: - When she leaves, she
takes whatever she can with her; house, car...
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as i have said i do have women as freinds, but that so far in my life is where it ends.


"We exist without skin color, without nationality,
without religious bias... and you call us criminals."
-The Mentor

Forgive me artist, but you titled your post "who I am" and then said nothing about yourself at all. You posted a lengthy list of reasons why you like little girls. We all know that you like little girls, and whether that's admirable or disturbing, it is getting to be a bit boring. Enough allready.

If you "are" what you "like", then I'm fettucine alfredo...:rolleyes:

vile
you are entirely entitled to your opinion, but yes the above only is only one part of "who i am". i posted my thoughts and feelings, without those what are you? but taking my likes/loves into account, then revealing to many things about myself, like say; the errands i ran today, the people i saw there. anyone of those people that saw me, might also be the very same persons who read this board, and would then call the police and have me arrested for "who i am", considering thats the present society we all live in.

i have noticed on the total amount of registered logged in members to be around 8-10, but thats not taking into account the non-members, which numbers i have seen reach 30-40.

if you didnt want to read this post, then you didnt have to, but you are one person, i noticed before beginning to answer your reply, that four other people had already read this post and didnt reply. just because no one replied does not mean that it was not worth replying to, considering any non-member is also able to view the board, but still not able to reply. i have also noticed that my other posts made reached "views" of 3 to 4 times the actual amount people who did reply, so no you are not the only one reading my posts.

peace.

Ban him.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Ban him.
I'm not sure how much good that would do...since he is the same person as uptown and has admitted to it, he obviously has registered twice...if I ban him now, he could re-register...the only way to keep him away is an IP-ban, and I can't do that, only Drew can.

you could go ahead and ban me if you want to. i do not apologize for my version of the truth or the way i see things.

astrapol2
i am sorry you feel that way, considering i have no ill feelings toward you. could it be that you have made this suggestion, because you are in fact a woman and in the above post i am speaking of women that i have known and come into contact with.
do all women fit the description of the above post? no, just like not all men like seafood, reading the paper, etc. i did though think that you of all people would be able to connect with me, considering your post "uptown banned: children and sexuality".
in that post you said yourself.....

***I can't believe Uptown has been banned so quickly ! I discover his posts today and realize the threads are closed and it is no longer possible to post answers.

Sure his posts were very disturbing. His attempt to justify sexuality with kids was rather pervert. But I think he posted a few things that are very relevant :
- the link between repression of sexuality and violence in a society.
- the hypocrisy of a society whose major taboo is padophilia but that constantly uses images of preteen sexuality to sell goods.

That was worth a real debate, more than just horrified advice of seeking psychiatric help.
There were precise answers to give to his arguments in favour of kids sexuality - the first argument IMO being that kids should be respected as individuals and never confronted to something that could damage them. A big difference between information on sexuality (which is absolutely necesseray but has to be adapted to the age of the audience) and harassment is the intent of the adult : a kid perceives very well the sexual excitation of an adult and that is terribly disturbing. ******

real discussion is what you said. no, i did not attempt to justify anything, all i have ever done is expain where i am coming from.

yes goods are sold with preteens plastered all over the tv, internet, and magazines. this has been worded many different ways, but i was thinking on these couple of questions again.
its ok to show topless girls(usually under 5) in commercials and magazine ads? the ones producing the ads do.

is the camera going to molest a topless lg of any age? nope.

how is it that girls are considered to non-sexual and undesirable, before they are eighteen?

lgs are being admired and not damaged by that bathtime
pictures taken by their parents, right?

how is that before lgs grow breasts they are not sexual,
but even when they begin to grow breasts lgs are still
not sexual until they are eighteen?

**mom says to little suzy; ok up to the age of 5 you can
run nude, but only in the back yard, but after you turn
five you must cover up and hide.

if i see nude picture of women in a "Elle" mag, it is
called artistic ad.

if its Abercrombie & Fitch, forget nudity, if they even
have their belly button or panties showing, then thats
child porn.

http://www.americandecency.org/abercrombie.htm

Since February 2000, the American Decency Association
has campaigned against Abercrombie & Fitch because of
their use of pornography to appeal to the prurient
interests of youth. Abercrombie & Fitch's Spring
Quarterly 2004 was a pleasant surprise as the catalog
did not include images of nudity. Many ministries shared
the concern regarding Abercrombie and Fitch and
ultimately our united efforts did make a difference.
Even despite favorable news in recent months, we
continue to encourage concerned individuals to avoid
shopping at their stores.

the only way to keep him away is an IP-ban, and I can't do that, only Drew can.

Isn't the whole point of a forum to encourage differing points of view? I'm not artist, I'm his friend, but if I agree with him, does that mean I get banned to? I personally feel that if an idea is bad but is being argued civilly, the key is not to ban the individual, but to show where the person's idea(s) are mistaken. The trick to getting rid of bad ideas is not to censor them but to show their flaws. If one is afraid of an idea, perhaps it touches on a sensitive area in one's life; perhaps the solution is to take a breath, perhaps take a bit of a break and think before responding. If it's too much, perhaps you'll have to deal with it in another lifetime. But the points that me, artist and others would bring to you are just as legitimate as anyone else's. We bring them to you in a civilized way; if we're flawed, by all means point out where. If you can't, perhaps that says something more about your own reasoning.

Personally, I've found that the people who are most against the idea that youth should be allowed to be sexual with whom they choose so long as they're ready are people who can't fathom the idea that youth can actually make intelligent decisions. I'm all for a way of testing a person's readiness, and have even developed my own idea called the Sexual Relationship Knowledge Document. Currently, all you have to be is over the AoC in your respective jurisdiction. Now I ask you: does being above a certain age or below it guarantee knowing or not knowing something? Please. The fact that the AoC ranges from 12 to 18 probably says a fair amount concerning how we can't even agree on what age is the 'right' one and I think you'll find that individual parents are similarly torn; why not focus on readiness? I think that's a much better idea then age.

Originally posted by the artist

astrapol2
i am sorry you feel that way, considering i have no ill feelings toward you. could it be that you have made this suggestion, because you are in fact a woman (…)
in that post you said yourself.....

***I can't believe Uptown has been banned so quickly !(…)



1- I am not a woman but a man, father of two little girls i would in no case like to see in the hands of people like you.
2- About banning you : I changed my mind.
I thought the topics you raised could be interesting , but I now realize they were just a pretext to spread your ideas.
Borg, VilePagan and the others were right.

I am not willing to discuss anymore with you. I like this forum when it allows to discuss various opinions, even if I disagree with them or if some members may be real pain in the neck sometimes.
But I don't want to discuss with people like you who try to make such topics as pedophilia something "that should be discussed as an "opinion".
Like another member, Tentmaker, las year, who made long and very argumented posts to support his racist ideas, the answer has to be clear : do not discuss with them.

Understand me well : my problem is not that I refuse to debate. I could spend hours refuting your arguments. But by doing so I would just make you more credible, like someone whoses ideas are worthe debating. They are not - period.

sick disturbing deviant.

I do not think you will be able to convince me that you are emotionally mature enough to engage in a healthy LEGAL relationship with a woman of your peer group, and this is probably why you seek out immature relationships.

I have formed several opinions based on your post, mostly to do with your psychological stability, But you'll also have trouble convincing me why I should spend the time...

***1- I am not a woman but a man, father of two little girls i would in no case like to see in the hands of people like you.***

i am happy for you. no girl in this entire world need fear anything from me, as my neice and neighbors have found out(yes parents and children alike).


***2- About banning you : I changed my mind.
I thought the topics you raised could be interesting , but I now realize they were just a pretext to spread your ideas.
Borg, VilePagan and the others were right.***

ideas of what? that children need love and companionship just like anyone else, including you.

***I am not willing to discuss anymore with you. I like this forum when it allows to discuss various opinions, even if I disagree with them or if some members may be real pain in the neck sometimes.
But I don't want to discuss with people like you who try to make such topics as pedophilia something "that should be discussed as an "opinion".***

just because you choose not to discuss it wont make anyones attractions of "those like me" go away, we will still be here.

"people like me" you say, im sorry, do know any girl lovers?
how do you know for sure your present friends arent girl lovers?
what are the traits that a girl lover has upon meeting them for the first time?


***Like another member, Tentmaker, las year, who made long and very argumented posts to support his racist ideas, the answer has to be clear : do not discuss with them.***

racist people hate, thats what they do.
not me, whats the purpose of insulting, but eliminate all coherent, intelligent and understanding thought.

trolling involves the troll who hates and wants to spread around like the plague. i do not hate.


***Understand me well : my problem is not that I refuse to debate. I could spend hours refuting your arguments. But by doing so I would just make you more credible, like someone whoses ideas are worthe debating. They are not - period.***

well i understand that your hate and arrogance are coming through loud and clear. discussing doesnt make it more credible, refusing to discuss girl love makes it more credible, considering by running and hiding you are admitting that you have no basis or facts to back up your claims.

grooming
this is what the sheep thinks that all girl lovers do. what
is grooming, but another word for teaching, is that what
we are all here for anyhow...to learn? what do you teach your children about heterosexuality? wouldnt teaching your children that be considered "grooming", considering it is a biased "opinion". we are all teachers and all of us are students. what do parents teach their kids about girl lovers "stay from them, they are bad people". the parents are thinking that all peds are foaming at the mouth rapists, molesters and killers-all hiding in the bushes. the kids agree to this "ok i will stay away from all of those bad people". i am none of those hateful people and all the children that i have come into contact with can
sense it. children love me.



A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man
overlooks an insult.

what kind of parents would let their kids go on a date with a pedophile????

SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK PUPPY