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the artist
07-24-2004, 11:55 AM
yes bush did know the planes were crashing into the
building, it was just one act in the last 50 years, that
has been building up to "the new world order"(marshall
law in the usa).

the US govt. has for many, many years has planned the downfall (govt. calls it THE NEW WORLD ORDER look it up)of the US so that can declare marshall law in the US. lets looks at some examples.....

- japan bombed pearl harbor, the usa knew that japan was
about to surrender, but dropped the bomb anyway. the US
govt. knew about it and let it happen. why? so they
could demonize other countries, in the attempt to make
US citizens feel unsafe and safe at the same time. communists or terrorists they call them. the govt. wanted to try out its new H BOMB to see its effectiveness on japan. the govt. let the TRADE
CENTER be destroyed so they would have a reason (call al
qaude terrorists, we have to fight for our way of life,
FREEDOM) to go to iraq and afghanistan and start bombing
the hell out of them.


-how about the oklahoma city bombing, i don't care much
fertilizer there was in the back of the van. there is no way that it
would create a big enough bang to take off the whole front face of the building, and not even touch the ground the van was
sitting on, since there would have been a crater of
equal size in the ground(which was never there). the FBI
afterwords kept everyone including the local police away
from the site until dump trucks with enough dirt were brought in to bury everything. why? so that no one could find the C4
explosives they had put in the building to blow it up.

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Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus and
the Destabilization of California by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the
Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for
the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.
Together, they have destabilized California and are on
the brink of bringing it a new Reich. With the
Schwarzenegger candidacy they have laid siege to
America's largest state, lining it up for the 2004
election.

The Bush family ties to the Nazi party are well known.
In their 1994 Secret War Against the Jews, Mark Aarons
and John Loftus use official US documents to establish
that George Herbert Walker, George W. Bush's maternal
great-grandfather, was one of Hitler's most important
early backers. He funneled money to the rising young
fascist through the Union Banking Corporation.

In 1926, Walker arranged to have his new son-in-law,
Prescott Bush---father of President George Bush I,
grandfather of George Bush II---hired as Vice President
at W.A. Harriman and Company. Prescott became a senior
partner when Harriman merged with a British-American
investment company to become Brown Brothers Harriman. In
1934 Prescott Bush joined the Board of Directors of
Union Banking.

The bank helped Hitler rise to power. It also helped him
wage war. As late as July 31, 1941---well after the Nazi
invasion of Poland---the U.S. government froze $3
million in Union Banking assets linked to Fritz Thyssen.
Thyssen was noted in the American press as a "German
industrialist and original backer of Adolph Hitler."

Loftus writes that Thyssen's "American friends in New
York City [were] Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker, the
father and father-in-law of a future President of the
United States." That would be the current president's
father, George Herbert Walker Bush, also the former CIA
director.

On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the
seizure of Nazi Germany's banking operations in New York
City, which were under the direction of Prescott Bush.
The government seized control of Union Banking
Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The
liquidation yielded a reported $750,000 apiece for
Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker. The book, The
Splendid Blonde Beast: Money, Law and Genocide, goes
into exhaustive detail on Bush-Harriman Nazi money
laundering. More recently, Michael Kranish covers the
same Bush-Nazi relationships in The Rise of the Bush
Family Dynasty published in the Boston Globe. Loftus
documents that "Prescott Bush knowingly served as a
money launderer for the Nazis. Remember that Union
Bank's books and accounts were frozen by the U.S. Alien
Property Custodian in 1942 and not released back to the
Bush family until 1951."

Often ignored are the Bush family's post-World War II
dealings with former Nazis. John Foster Dulles, who had
worked with the Bush family in the Harriman Company in
laundering money for Nazi Germany, was Dwight
Eisenhower's Secretary of State. His brother Allen
became CIA director.

As Martin Lee documents in The Beast Reawakens, American
intelligence recruited numerous top Nazis to spy on the
Soviets during the Cold War. Many established
connections to the Bush family that had helped finance
their original rise to power. In 1988 Project Censored,
in its top award, noted "how the major mass media
ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten
critical stories reported in America's alternative press
that raised serious questions about the Republican
candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as
a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his presidential campaign's
connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and
fascist affiliations in 1988." Investigative reporter
Russ Bellant established ties between the Republican
Party and former Axis Nazis and fascists.

In 2000 and 2001 the Columbus Alive published a series
of articles documenting further links between Bush, Sr.
and the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his own fascist networks
in Japan and Korea.

Karl Rove has parallel ties. The shadowy Rove serves as
"Bush's Brain" in the current White House. He is the
political mastermind behind the California coup, and is
now in the headlines for outing Valerie Plame, the CIA
wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson. A consummate
strategist, Rove may have outed Plame in retaliation for
Wilson's failure to back up the Bush claim that Saddam
Hussein was buying nuclear weapons materials in Africa.
According to some published reports, as many as seventy
CIA operatives have been put at risk by Rove's
retaliatory strike.

According to Wilson, and to Retired U.S. Navy Lt.
Commander Al Martin (www.almartinraw.com), Rove's
grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of
Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State
Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner
and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche
Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the
Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews,
Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.


Rove, who has been based in Utah and associated with the
Mormon Church, is widely viewed as the chief engineer of
the current Bush administration. He and Tom DeLay are
attempting to force the Texas legislature to redistrict
its Congressional delegations, adding seven sure seats
to the Republican column. By controlling the state
houses in New York, Florida, Texas and California, the
GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the
union, and thus the ability to manipulate vote counts
and strip voter registration rolls in the run-up to the
2004 election.

Rove is a prime behind-the-scenes mover in the
Schwarzenegger campaign. On May 1, 1939, a year after
the Nazis took control of Schwarzenegger's native
Austria, his father Gustav, voluntarily joined Hilter's
ifamous Strumabteilung (SA), "brown shirt"
stormtroopers. This was just six months after the brown
shirts played a key role in the bloody Kristallnacht
attacks on Germany's Jewish community.

The Vienna daily Der Standard noted recently that
"Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the
bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and
quite a few slaps in the face." Arnold's father favored
a Hitler-style mustache in photos.

On October 3, ABC News broke the story of
Schwarzenegger's 1977 interview in which he was asked
whom he admired. Schwarzenegger replied, "I admire
Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a
little man with almost no formal education, up to power.
I admire him for being such a good public speaker and
for what he did with it."

To cover himself, Schwarzenegger has made substantial
donations to the Los Angeles-based Wiesenthal Center,
which tracks down ex-Nazis. Arnold has also renounced
Hitler.

But he has not renounced his friendship with fellow
Austrian Kurt Waldheim, the one-time head of the United
Nations with known Nazi ties. The book Arnold: An
Unauthorized Biography, documents Arnold toasting
Waldheim, who had participated in Nazi atrocities during
World War II, at his wedding to Maria Shriver. "My
friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of
all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy,"
Arnold said. "But I love him and Maria does to, and so
thank you, Kurt."

On May 17, 2001, Schwarzenegger also met with Kenneth
"Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron at the Peninsula Hotel in Los
Angeles. Through the utility deregulation plan signed
into law by Pete Wilson, Schwarzenegger's chief advisor,
California was destabilized, bankrupting the state
government and opening the door for Tuesday's recall
election. Lay has been George W. Bush's chief financial
backer, and a close associate of Karl Rove's.

According to Bob Woodward's Bush at War, Bush attended a
New York Yankees game soon after the September 11 World
Trade Center disaster. He wore a fireman's jacket. As he
threw out the first pitch, the crowd roared. Thousands
of fans stuck out their arms with thumbs up. Karl Rove,
sitting in the box of Yankee owner George Steinbrenner,
likened the roar of the crowd to "a Nazi rally."
He would know.






http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm


prior knowledge of 9/11 archive
http://www.infowars.com/sept11_archive.htm

korg
07-24-2004, 10:18 PM
hey man, i think this stuff is believable. i heard of daddy bush's posters of hitler in his dorm..........but you know what, people in this country do not want to talk racist and hate.........its a country in denial.....which is why they DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THIS ! the oklahoma thing is something i never thought about but, i live in buffalo, and we had a famous propane explosion, and that explosion sent fire trucks flying , stands to reason that the damage done in OK, should have more than destroyed the truck...............but hey, does anyone have a photo of the plane that hit the pentagon ? if so, please give it to our govt so that they can feel that some of the shit they told us was true !

astrapol2
07-25-2004, 07:48 AM
Another conspiracy theories fan on this forum ? It has been a long time…

Many interesting and true things in your post, but I don't buy the Oklahoma city theory.

Vilepagan
07-25-2004, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by the artist

-how about the oklahoma city bombing, i don't care much
fertilizer there was in the back of the van. there is no way that it
would create a big enough bang to take off the whole front face of the building, and not even touch the ground the van was
sitting on, since there would have been a crater of
equal size in the ground(which was never there).


Umm...there was a crater...a rather large one in fact...

Crater survey measurements located the center of the crater to be approximately 28 feet south of the street centerline. Also, the crater was located approximately midway between the locations of Boring No. 2 and Boring No.3 shown on the architectural plans. According to these two borings, the average thickness of the combined asphalt/concrete pavement was found to be about 18 inches.

During the crater survey, pavement thickness was measured to include approximately 11 inches of asphalt over 7 inches of concrete at the north tip of the crater. Below the concrete layer, Boring No. 2 indicates that the soil is a brown-red silty sand to a depth of 2.2 feet and a red clay with sandstone down to 14 feet. Boring No. 3 shows a loose fine red sand to a depth of 6 feet and a loose fine to medium grain tan sand to a depth of 8.3 feet.

Based on observations made of the crater and other damage, the blast that damaged the building had a yield equivalent to approximately 4,000 pounds of TNT (Reference 2). This extremely large explosion was centered approximately 15.6 feet from column G20 (See Figure 2). The blast caused a crater approximately 28 feet in diameter.

http://orbita.starmedia.com/~martzsolis/THE%20OKLAHOMA%20CITY%20BOMBING.htm

the artist
07-25-2004, 11:01 AM
vile
looks like i stand corrected, thanks for the link.

DrewM
07-25-2004, 11:45 AM
These are all interesting theories and of course anything is possible but not everything is likely.

On balance it stands to reason that only a small fraction of consipiracy theories hold any merit.

the artist
07-25-2004, 11:56 AM
hi drew
nice to meet you.
you are of course correct in your assessment.

mad dog
07-26-2004, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by the artist ]yes bush did know the planes were crashing into the
building, ).

aaaaaaaaaand where is the proof of this?

the US govt. has for many, many years has planned the downfall (govt. calls it THE NEW WORLD ORDER look it up)of the US so that can declare marshall law in the US. lets looks at some examples.....

The DOWNFALL, help me get this straight if the US crashes then would there be a US govt?

- japan bombed pearl harbor, the usa knew that japan was
about to surrender, but dropped the bomb anyway. the US
govt. knew about it and let it happen. why?

because we wanted to still be America the land of the free??? just a quess.

so they
could demonize other countries, in the attempt to make
US citizens feel unsafe and safe at the same time.

Is this kind of like being dead and living at the same time?

. the govt. let the TRADE
CENTER be destroyed so they would have a reason (call al
qaude terrorists, we have to fight for our way of life,
FREEDOM) to go to iraq and afghanistan and start bombing
the hell out of them.

Once again put your money where your mouth is and show the proof to the rest of the world.


-how about the oklahoma city bombing, i don't care much
fertilizer there was in the back of the van. there is no way that it
would create a big enough bang to take off the whole front face of the building, and not even touch the ground the van was
sitting on, since there would have been a crater of
equal size in the ground(which was never there).

So not only are you a world leader but your a bomb expert also.

the FBI
afterwords kept everyone including the local police away
from the site

maybe, just maybe they didn't want people f**king up evidence.

until dump trucks with enough dirt were brought in to bury everything.

so how many dump truck loads did it take

why? so that no one could find the C4
explosives they had put in the building to blow it up.

maybe they used something better then C4, maybe the lizard people have better bombs??? :rolleyes:

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es347fan
07-26-2004, 03:42 PM
Don't concern yourself with the blatherings of the artist, mad dog, it's been banned.

mad dog
07-27-2004, 05:36 AM
ok thanks ES