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War sucks, but we do have a volunteer military. No one twisted anyones arm to join, this is just part of serving the country. I know folks that have mental problems that where never in the military, lost a love one by accident, etc.... Maybe these folks allready had issues, or maybe the war caused them, either way this is just another part of being in an insane place. These folks joined a group under their own mind, if they have a problem maybe they should have thought more about what the military is, instead of worrying about a G.I. bill, join on bonus, or what they could get out of it. I hate to sound cold, but when a person takes an oath to join the military there is a little thing that goes with it and that is called war. The old saying comes to mind if you don't want to get burned don't play with the fire.

With that said I hope these fine men and women can find peace again.

Mad Dog, I’m willing to agree with you up to a certain point. Because it’s simple to say, they knew what they were getting into. When actually they didn’t know what they were getting into. There is no way to experience that amount of pain, and death, before they’ve been sent to war. There is no way for them to have experienced enough to “know what they were getting into”, unless they’ve previously served in a war.

I’m not saying they don’t hold some responsibility, for this happening to them, but it’s not as simple as your making it out to be.

You also comment and say many of these folks already had issues. But don’t you have to get a health evaluation, for mental disorders?

Originally posted by Overdose
Mad Dog, I’m willing to agree with you up to a certain point.

thanks :)

Because it’s simple to say, they knew what they were getting into. When actually they didn’t know what they were getting into.

I'm not saying they new 100% what they were getting into, all I'm saying is they joined a group that plays with guns and tanks, so they did have an idea there could be blood shed.

There is no way to experience that amount of pain, and death, before they’ve been sent to war.

key word volunteer, if they had thought about what the military is they may have had second thoughts about taking the oath. Too many young people are joining the forces for benefits. Todays society is "the all about me" society. The military benefits are nice and should be there, but these young men and women need to use the round thing ontop of their shoulders before they sign their life away.
There is no way for them to have experienced enough to “know what they were getting into”, unless they’ve previously served in a war.

I agree a little with you, but lets not act like America doesn't know what war is. My kids learned in 4th grade how bad war can be. Most of us have gone to school and don't live in Hicksville U.S. We have heard and been taught about what can happen when we join the military.

I’m not saying they don’t hold some responsibility, for this happening to them, but it’s not as simple as your making it out to be.

I'm not saying these folks don't have problems or that something bad hasn't effected them, but it is not the millitarys fault. If your going to place blame start at the root.

You also comment and say many of these folks already had issues.

I said maybe they allready had issues.

But don’t you have to get a health evaluation, for mental disorders?

Mentally these folks are in great shape, the problem is that they didn't think about what they were joining. This is the problem they are willing to join but alot of them are not thinking about what they are joining.

Originally posted by mad dog thanks :)
You're welcome!

Originally posted by mad dog all I'm saying is they joined a group that plays with guns and tanks, so they did have an idea there could be blood shed.
And I said they need to also take responsibility for committing to it. And of course they can have an idea of blood shed, but that doesn’t change the fact, that they do not know what it would do to their mental health.

Originally posted by mad dog key word volunteer
Never denied they need to take responsibility for joining, since they knew somewhat of the consequences.

Originally posted by mad dog I agree a little with you, but lets not act like America doesn't know what war is.
Most of American’s don’t know what war is. I sure as hell don’t. And I’m betting the majority of Americans don’t. We don’t know what it’s like to have innocent civilians killed in front of our faces, as blood is spewed.

And no one knows what that feeling is like, until after they've experienced it.

So the people who are singing up for this, do not know fully what they are getting into.

Originally posted by mad dog Mentally these folks are in great shape, the problem is that they didn't think about what they were joining. This is the problem they are willing to join but alot of them are not thinking about what they are joining.
How can they think about what they are joining? When they haven’t fully experienced it? So they of course are not going to be able to fully understand what they are joining since they have not been in combat before and or war.

Originally posted by Overdose
And I said they need to also take responsibility for committing to it. And of course they can have an idea of blood shed, but that doesn’t change the fact, that they do not know what it would do to their mental health.

correct


Most of American’s don’t know what war is.

lets be real here for a min. MOST Americans know that war is not a day on the beach chasing the oppisite sex and drinking rum.

I sure as hell don’t.

You may not know exactly what death is like but I take you for a smarter person then to say you have no clue has to war being violent.

And I’m betting the majority of Americans don’t.

The majority does know war is not a fun day at the park.

We don’t know what it’s like to have innocent civilians killed in front of our faces, as blood is spewed.

BUT with all of our edu. and media we do have an idea.

And no one knows what that feeling is like, until after they've experienced it.

correct. The same can be said for the carpenter who smacks his thumb with a hammer. Do we blame the hammer?

So the people who are singing up for this, do not know fully what they are getting into.

This is my point, are these folks really thinking about what they are signing for or are they thinking about the 5000.00 bonus or paying for college


How can they think about what they are joining?

Do you take a job without researching first, talking to others, etc...?

When they haven’t fully experienced it?

They should atleast think about what they are getting into.

So they of course are not going to be able to fully understand what they are joining since they have not been in combat before and or war.

Would you become a police officer so you could learn how to cook? They probably don't know exactly what they are in for, but they should atleast find out, learn, ask others what might happen.


Lets say you buy a motorcycle, you love ridding, 10 years go by, crash now your messed up, is it the motorcycles fault?

Originally posted by mad dog
War sucks, but we do have a volunteer military. No one twisted anyones arm to join, this is just part of serving the country. I know folks that have mental problems that where never in the military, lost a love one by accident, etc.... Maybe these folks allready had issues, or maybe the war caused them, either way this is just another part of being in an insane place. These folks joined a group under their own mind, if they have a problem maybe they should have thought more about what the military is, instead of worrying about a G.I. bill, join on bonus, or what they could get out of it. I hate to sound cold, but when a person takes an oath to join the military there is a little thing that goes with it and that is called war. The old saying comes to mind if you don't want to get burned don't play with the fire.

With that said I hope these fine men and women can find peace again. but you are talking about kids... this is what the commercials sell them (gi bill, pay for school etc...) ever see one of the commercials, when do they talk about fighting in wars ?. its like when private benjamin said that she didnt see the condos they promised her. and im sure to push the point home, the military told them that this isnt war time.......most of these guys were 18 years old. how did you think then........and on top of all of that, this war is BULLSHIT !!! no one in this country would mind fighting for a good cause........but this isnt one of them !

Originally posted by korg
but you are talking about kids... this is what the commercials sell them (gi bill, pay for school etc...) ever see one of the commercials, when do they talk about fighting in wars?.

correct..... media, adv, etc... are a pain in the arse. Let me ask this, when is the last time you ever saw an add that sold the bad stuff{car, truck, washing machine, anything}? For some reason we know there will be a car accident when someone drives but we don't realize what can happen when we join the MILLITARY? interesting.....

These are not kids they are young adults, they should have enough sense to atleast take a few minutes of their lifes and think about what they are signing.

its like when private benjamin said that she didnt see the condos they promised her

And I'm sure Rambo could really kick everyones a** also. Is this the problem our society is so stupid they can't tell the difference between TV and reality?

and im sure to push the point home, the military told them that this isnt war time.......most of these guys were 18 years old.

Once again do you join the police force to become a cook? Don't play with the fire and you won't get burned. Take a chance, play with the fire maybe you'll have fun, but the bottom line is the fire is still there and it can bite you in the arse. Is it the millitarys fault or is it the volunteers fault?

how did you think then........

I served the country, never took the G.I bill or anything else, I figured it was my duty to serve a nation that gave me a chance. I thought long and hard about what I was getting into. We have a thing called delayed entry, any one of our young adults can use this. The problem is that folks are not thinking about what the real thing is, they are more worried about "the all about me issue"

and on top of all of that, this war is BULLSHIT !!! no one in this country would mind fighting for a good cause........but this isnt one of them !

I'm not debating wether this war is right or not. War is just that war, we have a volunteer millitary, so none {NOT ONE} of these folks were forced to sign. I think anyone that can sign on the line should hold their head high, but before they sign maybe they should take some time and think about what they are signing.

ALL of the points you make are correct.....but as my mom says, common sense isnt common. why are the tobacco companies paying people for something they should've known ? its just the way things are. and, most of the guys i know that joined the service were young.....being 43, i see that at 18, its hard to make all of the correct decisions, hell its hard for older people like myself. but 18 is the age where you'll make a lot of the life mistakes, that you hope you'll learn from. and tell me this, why is it that they dont remind you in the commercial that there is a chance that you'll be sent to war........because everythings a sales pitch thats why. these are the same kids that buy into pyramid schemes. so what, is it more wrong for the commercial to not be complete as to whats gonna be expected, or that these guys dont think in terms of war. propaganda verses the kid, or young adult....propaganda ALWAYS wins............finally, im not trying to debate the war, im sure your mind is made up, as is mine

people have come back from every war with mental issues. in WW1 is was called shell shock, then in WW2 it became battle fatigue, then in vietnam it was call post traumatic stress disorder. every war theres a new name for it. and saying that soldiers dont now what they are getting into is wrong. any combat soldier goes through rigerous training and gets a very good idea what they are in for. of course nothing can compare to the real thing, but you do so much training that your reactions under fire are automatic.. I jut dont bu this whole line about how bad this war is. compared to other wars its not. it seems really bad with 24 hour attention on it. can you imagine a 24 hour new channel in WW1? people would be crying for us to pull out before it was to late. poison gas, artillery shells coming down like rain, it was bad. for overdose to post this like its something new is just, well, being an overdose. sensationalism to the max. taking the norm and making it extraordinary. young men have always fought wars, and always will. there will also always be young men coming back with shell shock. thats why its called war.

Originally posted by Travh20
and saying that soldiers dont now what they are getting into is wrong. any combat soldier goes through rigerous training and gets a very good idea what they are in for. but travh, thats after they have joined.... i dont think they thought that far ahead........but all in all, your points are good ones.............never thought i would say that !

the only people who dont know what they are getting into are rear echelon types who get caught up in battle, like that group of mechanincs jessica lynch was with. tehy thought thy had a nice cushy rear area job and got caught in a battle. tht is why everyone has to do basic combat training, becasue at any moment you may be called on to do some fighting. Infantrymen and other combat arms though go looking for the fight so they obviously do more intense combat training. everyone in the military, from an army ranger to a computer programmer is told that they are only a second away from dropping their keyboard to picking up their rifle, it is drilled into them. they may not believe it but thats their choice.

Human nature breeds disagreements, disagreements breed war and death. Always has, always will.

The psycological make up of individuals varies. Some can overcome stress in their lives alone, some cannot.
Whether we support the war or not we owe those that fight it all the mental treatments required to help them overcome. Some will never overcome and will be monetary liabilities for life. This is a result of war or any severe emotional experience.

I believe the first world wars were harder on men than the present. Radio was the main contact with the world. Many had never left the farm so to speak. Never more than a few miles from the family. Suddenly they were taken overseas. Away from all they had known. Thrust into terrible conditions.

Today people are more informed. All the kids that loved the violent movies and violent video games were, I am sure, suprised by reality.
Young folks life is hard. Life doesn't give a damn whether you eat,have shelter from the cold or even survive. Its ultimately up to you. Going from sheltered childhood to reality is sometimes a very tough trip. Some survive the ride emotionally some do not.
Its just life. No promises of comfort or stability.

Wait until these people make their first visit to the VA for treatment and find out the government suddenly doesn't want anything to do with them because bush cut funds 18% and is cutting funds another 20% in '05.

They had better pray that Kerry, a real military man who has been there and done that, gets elected so the VA system gets repaired -- or they can count on sitting in the corner and rotting away from lack of mental health care.

Dop

maybe bush will just start handing out .38 specials with a single shot to all vets who enter a VA hospital dop.

Originally posted by Travh20
maybe bush will just start handing out .38 specials with a single shot to all vets who enter a VA hospital dop.

Perhaps he will...

I have to ask Trav, since I haven't seen you post on the subject, how do you feel about the budget cuts to the VA?

Originally posted by Travh20
maybe bush will just start handing out .38 specials with a single shot to all vets who enter a VA hospital dop. well, the old travh rears his ugly head. man, that wasnt a nice thing to say. all these guys are saying is that the man in charge is cutting the very benefits to the very people who needs them most.....our soldiers. how is that something to be impudent about travh ? the very people who tell me that we dont care or support our soldiers, dont care about them post war......just fight my battle and get the fuck outta here huh ?!! bush should be ashamed of himself, if no one else, these guys should be taken care of for fighting his bullshit "wag the dog " war !

there has been no cuts to the budget. you go by base line budgeting. this way even if there is an increase you can still call it a cut. it works like this. lets say every year the VA budget goes up 5%. then one year, it only goes up 4%. according to you, thats a "cut" even though it is still an increase of 4% over the previous year. its a sneaky trick used by the left to strike fear into people.

Originally posted by Travh20
there has been no cuts to the budget. you go by base line budgeting. this way even if there is an increase you can still call it a cut. it works like this. lets say every year the VA budget goes up 5%. then one year, it only goes up 4%. according to you, thats a "cut" even though it is still an increase of 4% over the previous year. its a sneaky trick used by the left to strike fear into people. a trick ? oh you mean like sayig that kerry backed the war, but not saying that he didnt know about the lies ? yeah, i can go with that.....unless your saying that the left is the only ones that do that

you sound like a fool. kerry was saying saddam was a dangerous threat before bush even came into office! everyone in the world believed saddam was a threat, bush didnt convince people who thought he wasnt a threat that he really was. bush had the same intelligence clinton had. this whole lie thing is so crazy. it reeks of desperation. if he was so willing to lie about it why didnt he just plant some WMD and be done with it? why go through all this for so long? any amount of thinking just shows that your whole assertion bush made it all up is either made up or just plain wrong.

Originally posted by Overdose

I’m not saying they don’t hold some responsibility, for this happening to them
Some ??? No one put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to join the military. This whole post is pretty much bullshit anyway. Just another way for you to attack our country under the disguise of concern for others. Most of our returning troops are not complaining of mental illness in any form, but you choose to acknowledge the few who are. There are those who witness horrible things in war that will change their lives. For those who are legitimately affected by what they witness i can only pray that in time they can get beyond what they have witnessed or even took part of and learn to enjoy a somewhat normal life. War is not fun.

As for those who are complaining about not joining the military to go to war: Tough shit. They wanted the benefits that come from serving in the military, they should be prepared when Uncle Sam calls their marker. Its the risk we all took when we signed the dotted line to join the military.

Originally posted by mad dog
lets be real here for a min. MOST Americans know that war is not a day on the beach chasing the oppisite sex and drinking rum.
And most Americans don’t know what it’s like to have innocent civilians slaughtered in front of their faces.

Originally posted by mad dog
You may not know exactly what death is like but I take you for a smarter person then to say you have no clue has to war being violent.
Of course I know war is violent. Everyone does. But they don’t know what war feels like, until after they’ve been in a war. So they don’t know what they are getting into.

Originally posted by mad dog
BUT with all of our edu. and media we do have an idea.
We still don’t know what the feeling is like…

Originally posted by mad dog
This is my point, are these folks really thinking about what they are signing for or are they thinking about the 5000.00 bonus or paying for college
How can they think about what they are signing up for, if they haven’t experienced war before? No one can know exactly what they are signing up for, in this case, because war can make people mentally insane. Which thus concludes, they can think all they want, but they’ll never know until they have been there. Which means they don’t know fully what they are getting into.

Originally posted by mad dog
Do you take a job without researching first, talking to others, etc...?
I’m sure they do research. Anyone would. But that doesn’t matter. They will never know what they are getting into, even if they research all day and all night, because they haven’t seen the horrors of war yet.

Originally posted by Travh20
you sound like a fool. kerry was saying saddam was a dangerous threat before bush even came into office! everyone in the world believed saddam was a threat, bush didnt convince people who thought he wasnt a threat that he really was. bush had the same intelligence clinton had. this whole lie thing is so crazy. it reeks of desperation. if he was so willing to lie about it why didnt he just plant some WMD and be done with it? why go through all this for so long? any amount of thinking just shows that your whole assertion bush made it all up is either made up or just plain wrong. funny how you equate that to going to WAR........jerk ! a lot of people thought the man was crazy, but no one thought war./...except bush and his money laundering cronies.......you always take "a" and make it "z". WAR..you jerk. the lies brought war !!!.............AND SADDAM WASNT A THREAT !!....he was only guilty of being a fool !! anything else.....was not our business !

Originally posted by HaVoK
Some ??? No one put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to join the military. This whole post is pretty much bullshit anyway. Just another way for you to attack our country under the disguise of concern for others. how do you jerks always make a statement like we dont like the country, or are against the soldiers, or are unamerican if you dont support this shit.....who the fuck made your armchair quarterbacking ass the referee !! you dont make ANY policies ! no one is against this country....were you against the country when clinton was president and you didnt like HIM ?! we dont think bush !!! IS DOING A GOOD JOB...hell, he's doing to badly to be doing a bad job !!.......word twisting asshole !!

Originally posted by korg
how do you jerks always make a statement like we dont like the country, or are against the soldiers, or are unamerican if you dont support this shit.....who the fuck made your armchair quarterbacking ass the referee !! you dont make ANY policies ! no one is against this country....were you against the country when clinton was president and you didnt like HIM ?! we dont think bush !!! IS DOING A GOOD JOB...hell, he's doing to badly to be doing a bad job !!.......word twisting asshole !! Calm down little sister. Take a valium. You're truly taking this much too personal. But then again, i guess the anonymity that the internet provides allows for some people to be overly brave in their choice of words. My first post wasnt even directed at you.

Originally posted by korg
]ALL of the points you make are correct.....but as my mom says, common sense isnt common.

I'm not going to say that I am correct,..... thanks. I just have a way of thinking and I am trying to show why I feel the way I do. Your mom is correct, common sense seems to be fading away.

why are the tobacco companies paying people for something they should've known ? its just the way things are.

Because we have the "poor me" or "it's all about me" mentality. Plus lets not forget about these damn lawyers.....

and, most of the guys i know that joined the service were young.....being 43, i see that at 18, its hard to make all of the correct decisions, hell its hard for older people like myself.

You are correct. This is the problem, the kids today are not thinking about what they are doing, they buy into the hooplaa, glory, but don't think about what the real deal is.

but 18 is the age where you'll make a lot of the life mistakes, that you hope you'll learn from.

You should have enough sense at this age to know something about what you are doing. Mistakes will happen all a persons life, but does this mean it's allways the other partys fault. What happen to taking responsibility for your own action?

and tell me this, why is it that they dont remind you in the commercial that there is a chance that you'll be sent to war........because everythings a sales pitch thats why

When they sell a road bike why don't they show the guy that got his head taken off by a fence?

these are the same kids that buy into pyramid schemes. so what, is it more wrong for the commercial to not be complete as to whats gonna be expected, or that these guys dont think in terms of war. propaganda verses the kid, or young adult....propaganda ALWAYS wins

Whatever is being sold, before a person buys it, they should have an idea. 18 yr old Johnny wants a car so he gives a guy money and ends up with a scooter. Maybe Johnny should have checked out what he really was buying. I still say an 18 yr old knows what the millitary is for, they buy into the glamour, but they still should have enough sense to know that they might have to use the gun.

finally, im not trying to debate the war, im sure your mind is made up, as is mine ]

I just figured there are enough post about this and that on the war, I wanted to stick with the topic. :)

Originally posted by Overdose
]And most Americans don’t know what it’s like to have innocent civilians slaughtered in front of their faces.

So when someones parent dies I quess it is their fault for giving birth??? Life is not an easy ride, for some it is even harder. When a person makes a choice to get involved with a dangerous job then they should be somewhat prepared. Expect the unexpected


Of course I know war is violent. Everyone does. But they don’t know what war feels like, until after they’ve been in a war. So they don’t know what they are getting into.

So don't join the military, join Mc D's


We still don’t know what the feeling is like…

correct


How can they think about what they are signing up for, if they haven’t experienced war before?

Books, older folks, Vets, etc...

No one can know exactly what they are signing up for, in this case, because war can make people mentally insane. Which thus concludes, they can think all they want, but they’ll never know until they have been there. Which means they don’t know fully what they are getting into.

You are correct, but is it the militarys fault or the guy that signed on the line.... volunteer....?


I’m sure they do research. Anyone would. But that doesn’t matter. They will never know what they are getting into, even if they research all day and all night, because they haven’t seen the horrors of war yet. ]

I believe we agree for the most part. My only beef is that we can not blame the Army, Navy, Marines, Air force, etc... for what has happened to a person that volunteers. They will get help if they have a problem, but to hate the military for doing its JOB is foolish.

"the military told them that this isnt war time.......most of these guys were 18 years old. how did you think then........and on top of all of that, this war is BULLSHIT !!! no one in this country would mind fighting for a good cause........but this isnt one of them !"


______Korg____________


Korg I disagree with you. When you join the miltary, no questions asked, if you are told to fight you fight. And you saying the miltary told them that this isn,t war time, where did you get that fact, thats absurd. In the miltary you are always ready for war. War can happen anytime. And believe many of these soliders believe that they are fighting for a good cause. You dont question the gov. when you are in the armed services. It is like a cop refusing orders from the lieut. because he does not believe it is right. You take your orders and due your duty and protect your country.

Originally posted by korg
funny how you equate that to going to WAR........jerk ! a lot of people thought the man was crazy, but no one thought war./...except bush and his money laundering cronies.......you always take "a" and make it "z". WAR..you jerk. the lies brought war !!!.............AND SADDAM WASNT A THREAT !!....he was only guilty of being a fool !! anything else.....was not our business !
bush had the smae information everyone else had. clinton bombed iraq based on that intel too. the UN had the info, everyone did. the only difference is that bush acted on it. after 9-11 he had no choice. lobbing a few cruise missles then going back to your golf game was no longer an option. I think all the liberasl are mad becasue their fake peace and status quo was upset. you all enjoyed living fat and happy and felt fine lettign saddam sit there.

Originally posted by Travh20
bush had the smae information everyone else had. clinton bombed iraq based on that intel too. the UN had the info, everyone did. the only difference is that bush acted on it. after 9-11 he had no choice. lobbing a few cruise missles then going back to your golf game was no longer an option. I think all the liberasl are mad becasue their fake peace and status quo was upset. you all enjoyed living fat and happy and felt fine lettign saddam sit there. YET.....ALL OF THE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY JUST KEEP COMING OUT..........no one else went to WAR ! except good ole goerge......the un didnt sanction us going to WAR.....it seems to me that, whatever political party you belong to , are just a bunch of war mongers......tell me something travh......how come your still here, why not put your panties where your mouth is. you want everyone elses kid to die over there, take your ass to this lie of a war !

Originally posted by HaVoK
Calm down little sister. Take a valium. You're truly taking this much too personal. But then again, i guess the anonymity that the internet provides allows for some people to be overly brave in their choice of words. My first post wasnt even directed at you. i dont choose to stay in anonymity, thats the choice of this forum.......i am not scared of anyone and especially you......and i take the death of ANYONE personal !!.....and i respect their right to want to live.

its OK Korg, I called the paddy wagon, they should be there shortly

Originally posted by Travh20
its OK Korg, I called the paddy wagon, they should be there shortly lmao.....shut up travh

OK

When I joined the army in 68' I had a pretty good idea what it was about. No one told me that I would have a soft life there.
When you know you will be issued a rifle, or in my case a chopper with mini guns, common sense would tell you that a picknick is not in the making.
To take a chance and join for the extra money or education benefits is a gamble that you might have to actually earn them is an individuals choice. The problem is that the men I have talked to that actually went to battle(including myself) are not complaining.
I hear more complaints from those that stayed at home in the air conditioned comfort of their home.
These terrorists did not just suddenly appear. They have hated you for a long time. They want to blow your ass away and will one day if given ample opportunity. You are the Infidel and always will be. They will come after you in your home when they can. Bush, Kerry, Nadar or no one will change that fact.
They must be stopped in their own back yards, not yours.

Try not to raise so much hell at each other. A lot of the forums band width is taken up with insults to each other. This accomplishes nothing.

Soldiers returning from a combat zone have always experienced some degree of emotional distress. No amount of training can prepare a soldier for the blood, gore and guts realities of combat. During the Africa campaign of WWII psychiatric casualties outnumbered those physically injured. There are types of combat that are worse than others, and produce more casualties. A constant artillery barrage does wonders for one’s psyche. Being on daily patrol facing the threat of snipers, land mines of all sorts, car bombs, et al., won’t do you any good either. Any recently returned vet is a potential powder keg -- for a while. The best thing any returning soldier can do is to stay in uniform for a little while after returning. Decompress in a military unit, get to learn what normal is once again. There are support groups available to anyone. Hopefully the stigma attached to visiting a pshrink for any reason has lessened some..

Try not to raise so much hell at each other. A lot of the forums band width is taken up with insults to each other. This accomplishes nothing. [/B][/QUOTE] sorry dan.....your right, but every now and then i get my dander up.......but i land

Korg you should wipe your mouth with toliet paper, because you know what comes out of your mouth in this forum is shit.

Originally posted by bigboy4040
Korg you should wipe your mouth with toliet paper, because you know what comes out of your mouth in this forum is shit. you know, normally , nick names are the opposite of what is actually true........bigboy.....

Originally posted by bigboy4040
Korg you should wipe your mouth with toliet paper, because you know what comes out of your mouth in this forum is shit. oh, and you should wipe your mouth with preperation H because your an ass..........lmao

You know what I find ironic…is that everyone attacks Korg for him being an “idiot” and or “stupid” etc (all of which I don’t find true)

But then you all resort to saying things like this,
Originally posted by bigboy4040
Korg you should wipe your mouth with toliet paper, because you know what comes out of your mouth in this forum is shit.

Originally posted by Overdose
You know what I find ironic…is that everyone attacks Korg for him being an “idiot” and or “stupid” etc (all of which I don’t find true)

But then you all resort to saying things like this, i know that at times , im not easy to defend, but i appreciate it O.D.

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Originally posted by Dan Fussell
[B] These terrorists did not just suddenly appear. They have hated you for a long time. They want to blow your ass away and will one day if given ample opportunity. You are the Infidel and always will be. They will come after you in your home when they can. Bush, Kerry, Nadar or no one will change that fact.
They must be stopped in their own back yards, not yours.
[B]

I totally agree Dan. I would rather we take care of this crap over there and not wait for them to come here and destroy us. And they will if they can. It's frightening. I applaud everyone who has gone over there and put their life on the line so my family and I can have some peace of mind here.

Originally posted by Swede
I totally agree Dan. I would rather we take care of this crap over there and not wait for them to come here and destroy us. And they will if they can. It's frightening. I applaud everyone who has gone over there and put their life on the line so my family and I can have some peace of mind here. the "they" your talking about, are already here ! "they" were here when "they" did 911..........they are and were here ......how do we know which ones are for us and which are against us...........we should have taken care of that second.......alqaida first..................what iraq has to do with this...NO ONE KNOWS !

Rights of the Mentally ill- To Commit Suicide.

From World War I to World War II to the Korean and Vietnam wars, traumatic reactions to combat have been known by a succession of names: "shell shock." "combat fatigue," combat exhaustion," and so forth. Actually, no one term is fitting, for stress reactions to combat differ markedly from one person to another. Some soldiers succumb to depression, curling up in their bunks unable to move. Others experience anxiety, which escalates to panic attacks. Whatever the response, the precipitating stimulus is usually preceded by months and years of accumlated stress. Many show no effects until they have returned to civilian life and suddenly surprised by night-mares and nervous tremors. ( Posttraumatic stress disorder, is a potentially compensable disablility. )

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Rights of the Mentally ill- On the Politics section

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