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If memory serves me right they only have 400 or so troops there.

Its their choice to give in to blackmail. I have no problem with it.

This move is gonna leave our troops even more stretched out than what we are, even if there are only 400 of them there. We could have some even tougher times ahead of us.

i dont think that they are giving in to blackmail, i think that they thought about why they are over there, and it wasnt a hard decision. i think a lot of people got behind us behind a certain fear of what america will do with them (ostrasize or some sort of boycott), and some people are questioning whether its worth it or not. just because some of us think this is the right thing to do, doesnt make it the right thing.....a lot of places around the world dont have us in the highest regards......its like helping the neighborhood bully fight....you dont really want to, but you dont want to be his next victim either.....metaphorically

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
This move is gonna leave our troops even more stretched out than what we are, even if there are only 400 of them there. We could have some even tougher times ahead of us. we were gonna have tougher times even if they stayed. this is never gonna end. to our country, we are fighting evil.......so they say....to them, they are fighting for a principle. thats why this war is not with iraq anymore, its with middle eastern people. and they are farming them out from all over. and slowly people are gonna be pulling out on us. and think what you want, we are already thin at the military and better hope and pray that we dont have a problem with north korea !

this is pathetic. no matter how you slice it they are pulling out becasue the terrorists told them too. they can say they were already planning it but everyone knows its bullshit. we dotn need countries there that fold at th first sign of any adversity anyway. its sad in a way though, becasue the troops they had were humaitarian troops, so the terrorists are only hurting the iraqi people this way. no one seems to care. I guess its OK to let the terrorists rebuild iraq in their image.

They're pulling out because they want no part of a crusade between Islam and western christianity that has gone out of control and could end up at their doorstep right there in beautiful downtown Manila.

It should be coming clearer and clearer -- even to those blinded by the right, that americans are the only country on the planet that willfuly agrees to and ENJOYS the sight of death, the smell of death and the act of death.

In a very short time -- we will be standing alone.

Dop

A B S O-F U C K I N G-L U T E L Y !!!!right on the money dop

unfortunantly we are not fighting a country dop, bt dont mistaken and say our enemys dont like the sight of dead americans. thousands, hundreds of thousands if they could do it. your problem is you dont take seriously a real threat that is al qeada and radical islamic terrorism in general. if you want to believe we are mearly egging them on by confronting them that s your call, but I can assure you we would not be helping ourselves any by not confronting it head on. saddam hussein was a supporter of inerenational terrorism, end of story. how you feel he got to that point is irrelevant. the lessonof 9-11 is that gathering threats could no longer be allowed to gather. you have an entirely selfish outlook on the entire scenario. its not about us now, its about the future generations and how they will live. in fear or in burkas, or free and safe. there is no in between in the end.

Originally posted by korg
i dont think that they are giving in to blackmail LMFAO! That is exactly what they are doing.

lets see, they were not going to pull out until nexst month, the terrorists kidnap one of their civilians and demand that they pull out sooner, and now they are oullig out right away, hmmmm, nope, doesnt sound like caving in to terrorists blackmail to me :rolleyes:

Originally posted by HaVoK
LMFAO! That is exactly what they are doing. why......because YOU say so........moron. you dont speak for anyone. there is just as much evidence to support my GUESS !....so you just keep on guessing too !! lmfao at that ! fuckin backseat driving moron....you dont know any more than i do about this...we're ALL guessing and speculating.

Originally posted by Travh20
lets see, they were not going to pull out until nexst month, the terrorists kidnap one of their civilians and demand that they pull out sooner, and now they are oullig out right away, hmmmm, nope, doesnt sound like caving in to terrorists blackmail to me :rolleyes: no.....maybe, unlike our leaders, they may think that this isnt worth the lives of their countryman......could that be !! seeing that bush didnt have a problem thowing our young to the wolves for a lie !!!!....lets see ....bush, osama,next lie,saddam.....hmmmmm...wrong fuckin guy !!.....yeah your right........it was worth every american soldiers death ........

Originally posted by Travh20
unfortunantly we are not fighting a country dop, bt dont mistaken and say our enemys dont like the sight of dead americans. thousands, hundreds of thousands if they could do it. your problem is you dont take seriously a real threat that is al qeada and radical islamic terrorism in general. if you want to believe we are mearly egging them on by confronting them that s your call, but I can assure you we would not be helping ourselves any by not confronting it head on. saddam hussein was a supporter of inerenational terrorism, end of story. how you feel he got to that point is irrelevant. the lessonof 9-11 is that gathering threats could no longer be allowed to gather. you have an entirely selfish outlook on the entire scenario. its not about us now, its about the future generations and how they will live. in fear or in burkas, or free and safe. there is no in between in the end. it is irrelevent.....because he's only that because YOU say so.....evidence shows, he had no connection to alqaida.....so YOUR the only authority here.......the lesson of 911 is....GET THE GUY THAT DID IT !!!!! STUPID

The government of the Philippines caved in to the terrorists ... much the same as the Spaniards did a few months back. It is a goddammed shame to see governments cowtow to muslim barbarian cowards hiding behind towels. All they've done is to momentarily pacify that particular cell, and they'll now sit in fear waiting for the next set of demands from the next cell. Real fucking smart.

Although if the hostage were a relation of mine I would probably think different, but I think its extremely pathetic that they are pulling out and giving in to terrorist demands. This will only encourage the terrorists to grab even more hostages and more people will be killed.

If they had no stomach for Iraq then they should have never gone there in the first place - to pull out when faced with this situation makes them look like a weak and utterly pathetic nation. Thank god we don;t rely on those clowns for anything of any importance.

Originally posted by korg
why......because YOU say so........moron. you dont speak for anyone. there is just as much evidence to support my GUESS !....so you just keep on guessing too !! lmfao at that ! fuckin backseat driving moron....you dont know any more than i do about this...we're ALL guessing and speculating. No need to get your panties in a bunch, sister. Its called a difference of opinion. If you dont like it, tough shit.

didnt sound like an opinion to me, sounds like you thought you were stating facts................fudgepacker

korg what the hell is your major malfunction? your hysterical and need to shut the hell up!

Originally posted by Travh20
korg what the hell is your major malfunction? your hysterical and need to shut the hell up! travh.....my man. please keep talking....i need the sleep

Originally posted by DrewM
Although if the hostage were a relation of mine I would probably think different, but I think its extremely pathetic that they are pulling out and giving in to terrorist demands. This will only encourage the terrorists to grab even more hostages and more people will be killed.

If they had no stomach for Iraq then they should have never gone there in the first place - to pull out when faced with this situation makes them look like a weak and utterly pathetic nation. Thank god we don;t rely on those clowns for anything of any importance. you know, you said the first thing right. i know how supportive everyone wants to be of this war effort, but i will tell you without even knowing it for a fact. every american family that had a member of their family shown on tv as a hostage, and then eventually beheaded, would have gladly had america pull out to save their family member. the president of the phillipines is a woman and has the propensity to be more caring........she just cared man...thats all. that doesnt make her weak, it just makes her human. you guys think that everyone should be as hard as you want them to be.....but let that had been georges daughter over there.......this is some real shit. and....the phillipines are small, they were only over there to show america some support, but forgive them if they dont think it is worth the lives of the people she represents.......people should be willing to risk their OWN lives before asking someone to risk their loved ones..........have a heart, this is not their war........its OUR PROBLEM !

if you think doing what islamic terrorists tell you to do is going to stop terrorism then you are stupid

Originally posted by Travh20
if you think doing what islamic terrorists tell you to do is going to stop terrorism then you are stupid some guys are in your house, they have your daughter and a knife to her throat, they tell you to step back or they will kill her......do you risk that blood on your hands or do you comply ? they are terrorist. i think you guys are cowards. its easy for you to tell someone to stay there and die, but if you were caught, i could see you going out like a real man there john wayne......fuck you travh

how can you be such an idiot and still be coherant enough to type? or do you have one of those talk and type things?

Originally posted by Travh20
how can you be such an idiot and still be coherant enough to type? or do you have one of those talk and type things? well if i had one of those, then i wouldnt be such an idiot now would i , and its called dragon naturally speaking.....not a talk type thingy ! you happy camper?......answer the question travh. you are so quick to call others cowards .....be a man

what do you want me to answer? you stupid question trying to compare a home invasion to the government of a large country caving in to the demads of a band of islamo-fascists?

My thinking is that no you do not step back and leave both of you at the mercy of the culprit.
One of the basics in my law enforcement training was not to give up your weapon in the event of a hostage.
No one life is worth the loss of many to my way of thinking.
I just wish this crap would come to an end and our guys could come home.
I just do not want the war to end while there are still terrorists left to follow them home.
Don't think we would like living with bombs going off regularily in our citys and neighborhoods.

Originally posted by Travh20
what do you want me to answer? you stupid question trying to compare a home invasion to the government of a large country caving in to the demads of a band of islamo-fascists? its not stupid...........it deals with the heart travh, and sometimes it takes control........but you dont have to answer it, you already have.......................................dan, i couldnt risk my childs life like that, and, law enforcement is not always right, they are human too, and the same wouldnt apply if it were their child...just my opinion..............as far as the pres. of phillipines, the land has a law, and your heart has its own......she chose to follow the heart.....it may not have been right, but it wasnt wrong either..................ask the family of the hostage !.....and dan, i will keep the insults to myself.......thanx

anohter liberal trying to fight a war with his heart. wake up man, you cant base decisions about the future of your country on feeling or how your herart feels. of course we feel terrible for anyone being held hostage by these animals, but should they be allowed to take a hostage and make a demand anytime they want something? how we feel now is inconsequential, only the future matters really. I hate to sund cold but the life of one philipino isnt worht the risk cavign into the demands of terrorists carrrys with it. tell me, dont you think that they will see how well this worked and do it again, and again? do you think the phillipines are somehow now exempt from terrorism?

If you think anything is going to stop terra-ism while this bunch is in the white house -- guess again.

They're telling us they know for a fact (that means 100% sure) there will be another attack that's even worse than 9/11. OK, then, howz 'bout filling us in so we can prepare ourselves -- like you know -- plastic and duct tape and all that.

Nope that ain't gonna happen folks. If there's another attack and they know about it -- the same thing will happen as last time. They will refuse to tell us, refuse to warn us and let us die. Simple as that.

Bush knew -- Planes flew.

Dop

Originally posted by Travh20
anohter liberal trying to fight a war with his heart. wake up man, you cant base decisions about the future of your country on feeling or how your herart feels. of course we feel terrible for anyone being held hostage by these animals, but should they be allowed to take a hostage and make a demand anytime they want something? how we feel now is inconsequential, only the future matters really. I hate to sund cold but the life of one philipino isnt worht the risk cavign into the demands of terrorists carrrys with it. tell me, dont you think that they will see how well this worked and do it again, and again? do you think the phillipines are somehow now exempt from terrorism? yeah, your right..bush followed his heart

so I guess in your mind that means he can do no wrong, since the philipies seem to be in the clear even though they are making the biggest mistake they possibly could make.