Howard Dean argued, flattered, cajoled — all to no avail. In a lively radio debate Friday, the former Democratic presidential candidate tried to get Ralph Nader to abandon his long-shot White House bid. Nader, the man Democrats blame for George W. Bush's election in 2000, declined and vowed to continue his independent campaign.

I watched the debate on Cspan3. (As you all know I am a huge deaniac.) I like both of them and I think they both made very good points but in the end, I think Gov. Dean had it right when he said "If the house is on fire, you don't stop to redecorate."

If Bush is allowed four more years, Nader's legacy will go down the drain.

I can see Nadar's reasoning in wanting to continue.
He is trying to gain strength for his party. Should he pull out now on the next election there would be another reason etc.,etc.
His party would be always giving way to some other candidate.

Of course Dean wants all the help he can get for the Democratic Party. Thats his job.

The Green Partys mind set is to become politically powerful in future years. Right now they are laying the foundation.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Should he pull out now on the next election there would be another reason etc.,etc.

Well no. The Democrats are not saying he should pull out of every election, because he does have valid things to bring to the table. But, this is an increasingly important election, as everyone should know by now. Which is exactly why the Democrats are putting pressure on him to get out of just this election.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
The Green Partys mind set is to become politically powerful in future years. Right now they are laying the foundation.

I may not be correct, but the Green Party didn’t nominate him, and he is running as an Independent. But, I’m not 100% sure on that.

He is trying to gain strength for his party.
He currently doesn't have a party. The head greens really don't like his running for president. From everything I've seen of Nader, I think his reasons are true, he's one of the opinionated good guys who don't make it anywhere.

Of course Dean wants all the help he can get for the Democratic Party. Thats his job.
And Dean isn't a Democrat guy. He's just exploiting their hold on American politics to change American politics.

They were basically on the same page the entire debate except for wanting Nader to stop running(although Dean said specifically that he doesn't want Nader to stop running, just for people to not vote for him) and for referendums. Dean was right about the referendums. It was funny though, they said in the begining that there was not time limit for talking, but after 10 minutes of Nader rambling they had to keep stopping him.

Lately after listening to people talk, I've been gaining greater respect for them. Kerry, Dean, Nader. Yet everytime I hear Bush talk, I vomit. What's with that? :D

I may not be correct, but the Green Party didn’t nominate him, and he is running as an Independent. But, I’m not 100% sure on that.

True he was not nominated by the Green Party!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Overdose
Which is exactly why the Democrats are putting pressure on him to get out of just this election.

Oh please. They're not going to want him in any election.

overdose actually believes that the democrats only want nader out of this one election and that kerry is only going to raise taxes on the highest brackets, riiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes: it goes back to the quote by dick morris I believe it was who said something along the line s of "kerry promising only to raise taxes on the rich is like an alcoholic promising to only have a few drinks"

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Oh please. They're not going to want him in any election.

I guess you can make that assumption. But I don't want Nader in this specific election, because George W. Bush needs to be taken out of office.

If Nader wants to run, he can, I'm not saying he can't. But this election to me, personally, is more important then the ones we have had, and or, I'm guessing the ones in the future.

And yes, I've heard many Democrats say, that they would gladly vote for him, next election, but this one is too important, and that Nader should step aside.

So, I guess some Democrats wouldn’t want him running in any election, while some just don’t want him in this one, while some want him in every election. It just depends on the person.

The reason I make the above statements is that I view the present position of Nader and his position with the Green Party as a political ploy to weaken the 2 parties and adjust the voters from the habit of voting only Demo or Repub.

I will not be suprised if Nader's next move is to eventually withdraw and throw his support to Cobb/La Marche.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
I will not be suprised if Nader's next move is to eventually withdraw and throw his support to Cobb/La Marche.

I really don't see that happening at all. I saw him speak here in Oregon and he seems very determined to stay the course.

This is still a democracy, Democrats want an easy win, and they don't want to work for it. They should just try and get bush off the ballot so they can have their way.

Of course that isn't a democracy, and the Democrats insistance that Nader shouldn't run is a bunch of bunk. I spoke to many people who like Nader but fear bush. Maybe Kerry should drop out of the race so wayward democrats can support Nader.

I think the problems this country faces is bigger then one person. It isn't just Bush, it's our representatives on both sides of the party that continue to support policies that benefit the few, instead of the many. These issues will not go away when Kerry is elected.

The house Dean describes is already burnt embers on the ground. It's time for a new house to be built. One that will address the needs of the people, instead of a few wealthy individuals.

LMAO< thats a good one, Kerry should drop out so Nader can get the dem votes, oh man, I am rolling. that would be classic! If nader suggests that public, I will vote for him.

Pepper I have stated all the time that congress is the real problem. These power brokers determine life in America.
The greedy,lying,stealing bastards are entrenched like a bunch of blood sucking ticks in Washington.

TERM LIMITS for all elected officials will break the back of these power mongers.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Pepper I have stated all the time that congress is the real problem. These power brokers determine life in America.
The greedy,lying,stealing bastards are entrenched like a bunch of blood sucking ticks in Washington.

TERM LIMITS for all elected officials will break the back of these power mongers.

The twin candidates for president will spend over 400 Million dollars this election cycle. I think clean elections would be a more appropriate manuver. First it levels the playing field and allows anyone to run, (not just wealthy white males) it also reduces the amount of time these reps do fundraising and can dedicate some of that time to actually talking with the people.

Hearing a few congresspeople in my time, all say much of their time and resources go into securing funds for the next election. This is not why we elected them.

Remember that Presidents are merely pawns of their parties.
Term limits would not allow these Senators and Representatives to gain their God-like powers. Presidents come and go, but these congressional power brokers remain for years and years to plot and plan, buy and sell.