What do you think about this ? Of course I expect supporters of Bush or Moore to answer honestly, not only by saying what they would like to happen !

it will affect it as much as all the books and other stuff that has com out and dissapeared within a week or two. each has recieved great fanfare from the media, but since none are true there is no way for then to actually stick. sensationalism doesnt last like the truth.

I hope you're right Trav.

However, there are a lot of people like Overdose out there....

:eek:

ya, and most of them, like overdose, are not old enough to vote

I don't think it will affect the election at all. You've got the people on the left who already hate Bush, you've got the ones on the right whose minds won't be changed, and then you've got the moderates who generally distrust the extremist messages from either side.

I thought I remembered a poll from a month ago that seemed to show that this election year has a relative low number of voters that are undecided. I have changed my mind about one thing; I think Bush has made it through the roughest time of his term. The economy seems to be on an upswing and, the Iraq front is looking better. It's going to take more than a Hollywood production to de-throne him, I think.

I do not think it will have a great effect upon the election.
A certain number of people will vote party.
Some will listen to the speeches of the candidates.
Many will listen to a particular slant of a favorite news media.
Some will throw up their hands in confusion and say "screw it" and not vote at all.
Some will vote against what they term the lesser of two evils.

In the end we will have a President elected by the Electorial College. A President with favoritism to those powers that helped him get elected. He will have a term of 4 years riddled by the bullets of the opposing party that already have an eye on the 2008 election.
The voting public will be given information from both parties that shows the other party is wrong for America. Sometimes we will be given part of the truth but seldom the "whole story."

Situations will be fueled to keep us in debate with each other rather than having the time to look closely at the parties that run this country.
We will be thrown a bone from time to time to keep the masses in control.
The illusion that the people run the country will continue, and the infuential will control the courts and lawmakers.
We will bitch and moan and point fingers, then in 2008 we will begin anew.

Trav, you may believe that most people who think like me are “too young” to actually vote. Sadly, for you, a vast majority of seniors at my school, who were not going to vote, saw this movie. Now guess whom their votes are going for? John Kerry.

This movie will affect the young population, who don’t normally vote. Usually they don’t “pick up books”, watch the news or surf the net for information regarding President Bush. But once it’s in a Hollywood production, they will surly see it. And with the Right Wing promoting the hell out of it, it will affect the young voters.

It already has -- it's hit the gop right between the eyes as the entire world wakes up to the facts presented by an american hero -- Mr. Moore.

And this movie will cause them the election and that's why this morning you hear so much chatter about cancelling the elections.

Ridge mentioned it in a press conference this morning, cnn has been bantering it around and the white house is checking out the constitutionality of such a move.

The gop is severly wounded and the only way they can stay in power is take away our right to vote.

Dop

again, dop, not one of your far flung predictions has come true, so until then, dont get mad if I dont latch on to you and the american heros bullshit predicitons and accusations.

Originally posted by Overdose
Trav, you may believe that most people who think like me are “too young” to actually vote. Sadly, for you, a vast majority of seniors at my school, who were not going to vote, saw this movie. Now guess whom their votes are going for? John Kerry.


Yeah, but did they change their votes or were they going to vote for Kerry anyway? Younger people tend to be more liberal, as do people living in Oregon.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
And this movie will cause them the election and that's why this morning you hear so much chatter about cancelling the elections.

Ridge mentioned it in a press conference this morning, cnn has been bantering it around and the white house is checking out the constitutionality of such a move.

The gop is severly wounded and the only way they can stay in power is take away our right to vote.

Dop

:rolleyes:

Of course it pretty much goes without saying that you have no proof of this? Just watch someone try to cancel the elections in this country and watch them get escorted out of office at gunpoint by the overwhelming majority of Americans. Except for Trav, who'd say it's still not worse than Monicagate.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Yeah, but did they change their votes or were they going to vote for Kerry anyway? Younger people tend to be more liberal, as do people living in Oregon.

1. They didn’t know who to vote for, they didn’t care until they saw the movie. Now they are voting for Kerry.

2. Gore only by a few thousand votes, Oregon is a battle ground state, actually. It’s about 50/50.

To generalize, the areas near Portland are liberal, and sort of the “middle” of Oregon. And on the east side of Oregon they tend to be Conservative, as well as on the coast. It’s more 50/50 then you’d think.

But again, it will affect the young voters. Most don’t pay attention, read the paper, surf the web, and or read books.

But once it's placed in a movie form, they will see it. Especially since a huge hype has been made about it. Which will create more young voters to go and vote against Bush.

So yes, this movie will affect the young voters.

If Kerry is elected with a very short advantage, we will be able to say Moore's movie was decisive.

If society bases their vote on dumpa**es{mooron} input then this country is in trouble. M.M. may have some legit arguments but his facts are screwed and he twist things. I hope you younger folks use your own minds when voting and not some idiots movie making lies. Mooron is out to collect the all mighty dollar just like others. He really could care less just as long as he can keep himself in the light. It's has been proven time and again that alot of what he writes, says, and shows, is bull sh**.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Some will vote against what they term the lesser of two evils.


Isn't this what we do every election? Show me an honest politician and I'll show you utopia :eek:

utopia- [2]A place of ideal perfection esp. in laws, government, and social conditions.

Lionel

The talking heads on CNN and FOX were throwing it around. The white house admits to looking at the constitutionality of such a move and Ridge is on record (yesterday?) at his press conference suggesting it might happen.

OK, that's not absolute proof but it's damn close.

And I hate to burst your bubble but your weapons will look like pea-shooters when the tanks come rumbling down over your house Jenin-style. Ask the Palestinians how it works -- sling shots against tanks and missles -- yeah that's the ticket.

BTW: why is it you always demand *ABSOLUTE* proof from any dem that makes a point on this forum yet you don't hold yourself to the same standards?

And Good Morning -- no I don't have proof it's a good morning.

Dop

dop, you have lost your mind completlely. cancel the elections? tanks running over houses. all your credibility is now gone.

Originally posted by Travh20
all your credibility is now gone.

Speaking of credibility...

actually overdose, credibility is not something you should speak of either.

Trav

You're throwing the word 'credibility' around at posters (first me then OD) like it's a cure-all for any poster that disagrees with you. If you care to look up the meaning of the word and it's intended usage you might find it's slightly more narrowly defined than you seem to think.

Dop

Originally posted by Travh20
actually overdose, credibility is not something you should speak of either.

Trav I have no problem discussing issues with you. Sometimes, you bring up good points and provide good debate. But anyone who questions someone else’s credibility, should look at themselves first.

so when a guy is always wrong with his wild predictions about presidentially ssanctioned child rape, drafting old men, canceling the election and american tanks in our streets knocking down our houses I am suppose to just keep taking seriously everything he says? no. when someone says al that they have no credibility with me anymore. if those things start coming true i will apologize, but until then I wont.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
And I hate to burst your bubble but your weapons will look like pea-shooters when the tanks come rumbling down over your house Jenin-style. Ask the Palestinians how it works -- sling shots against tanks and missles -- yeah that's the ticket.

True, but you're assuming that the military would buy into canceled elections and firing on their own people. It didn't work very well as the USSR came to an end.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
BTW: why is it you always demand *ABSOLUTE* proof from any dem that makes a point on this forum yet you don't hold yourself to the same standards?

I don't post links 100% of the time, but I do most of the time. Besides I'm not demanding absolute proof. I just want some proof. Anything at all! If you're going to make a claim about something so completely outrageous I don't think asking for a little proof is out of line. Now if you said you heard that Bush fell down the steps or something I'll take your word for it.

Agree Lionel that some things need a link but most of what I post is my personal opinion based on what is floating around at any given time and I usually indicate that in the post.

Sure, I have a tendency to sensationalize things and probably approach the fantastical limits but that's just my nature -- that's why Howard Johnson's made 28 flavors of ice cream -- not everyone likes vanilla.

Anyway, what kind of forum would this be if everyone was on the same radio station? Another du or fr? I can get more intelligent debate from drying paint than from those kind of forums.

The USSR didn't have an ultra-right-wing-rape-em-all-and-let-god-sort-them-out military that would follow the CIC off a cliff if asked and then plead ignorance of knowing right from wrong like our friend 'thumbs-up Lindy'. That's the simple answer to that one.

See -- I addressed your post and even debated it and didn't call anyone a name or question anyones sanity. Easy huh?

LOL

Dop

An intersting article just about this issue :

Fahrenheit 9/11' Making GOP Nervous


By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer

DES MOINES, Iowa - Republicans initially dismissed "Fahrenheit 9/11" as a cinematic screed that would play mostly to inveterate Bush bashers. Four weeks and $94 million later, the film is still pulling in moviegoers at 2,000 theaters around the country, making Republicans nervous as it settles into the American mainstream.

"I'm not sure if it moves voters," GOP consultant Scott Reed said, "but if it moves 3 or 4 percent it's been a success."



Two senior Republicans closely tied to the White House said the movie from director Michael Moore is seen as a political headache because it has reached beyond the Democratic base. Independents and GOP-leaning voters are likely to be found sitting beside those set to revel in its depiction of a clueless president with questionable ties to the oil industry.

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Based on a record-breaking gross of $94 million through last weekend, theaters already have sold an estimated 12 million tickets to "Fahrenheit 9/11." A Gallup survey conducted July 8-11 said 8 percent of American adults had seen the film at that time, but that 18 percent still planned to see it at a theater and another 30 percent plan to see it on video.

More than a third of Republicans and nearly two-thirds of independents told Gallup they had seen or expected to see the film at theaters or on video.

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Former Iowa Republican Chairman Michael Mahaffey said the movie's impact could be dulled over time. "It's July," he said. "Conventional wisdom will change completely every four or five weeks."

Still, "Fahrenheit 9/11" is likely to gain an even wider audience when it's released on home video in the weeks before Election Day. The Gallup survey found that nearly half of the Republicans and independents who expect to see the film said they were likely to view it on video.

"In all honesty, in a very close election, who knows what will sway the public?" Mahaffey said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=762&e=1&u=/ap/20040722/ap_en_ot/moore_film_politics