I was greatly disgusted to read about the conduct of the vice-president last week towards a member of Congress. That news was followed by an article revealing how the once-civil attitudes in Congress are deteriorating, and members are openly hostile to one another. At a time when the FCC is putting fines on radio and television personalities for obscenities and suggestive behavior, the vice-president undoes what little progress that has been made towards restoring common decency in our public attitudes towards each other. Not only did he own up to using an obscenity, he was almost bragging as he said he felt better after he did it! I realize that he's a human being like anyone else and subject to fits of temper, but he also needs to realize that he is supposed to uphold a higher standard of behavior. We American's are trying to show the world that we're not the sadistic and barbaric people that we're accused of being, but our political leaders can drag us down to that level with just a few thoughtless words. I have to wonder if a man who has such little control of his tongue is able to be politically effective. I hope he's able to maintain his composure for the rest of his term, let's also hope he's not re-elected. At the very least he should apologize for his un-professional conduct. :o :(

ya, I am sure you were in tears. decency and modesty seem to only apply to repblicans. kerry can curse in rolling stones interviews, clinton can take advantage of young girls in the oval office, but cheney says the F word to someone who is talking shit to him and you get upset and demand an apology. sorry if I dont see right through your crap. higher standard of behavior, LOL, thats funny coming from your side.

Originally posted by Travh20
ya, I am sure you were in tears. decency and modesty seem to only apply to repblicans. kerry can curse in rolling stones interviews, clinton can take advantage of young girls in the oval office, but cheney says the F word to someone who is talking shit to him and you get upset and demand an apology. sorry if I dont see right through your crap. higher standard of behavior, LOL, thats funny coming from your side.

Trav, Kerry wasn't on the floor of the US Senate when he made his remarks, Lewinsky was NOT a young girl and she brought her "presidential knee-pads" to the Oval Office.

Anyway, aren't you guys the ones always preaching about "morality"? Didn't Bush promise to bring a new "tone" to politics when he ran for President? Funny, coming from your side indeed...

If Cheney had any class he'd apologize for his outburst...

it wasnt on the floor of the senate, it was an informal photo session which happened to be in the senate building. senate was not in session at the time. anyway, I agree, he should apologize. he should have never gotten scked in by the democrat talking shit to him and gone down to his level.

Originally posted by Travh20
ya, I am sure you were in tears. decency and modesty seem to only apply to repblicans. kerry can curse in rolling stones interviews, clinton can take advantage of young girls in the oval office, but cheney says the F word to someone who is talking shit to him and you get upset and demand an apology. sorry if I dont see right through your crap. higher standard of behavior, LOL, thats funny coming from your side.
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Yes it's coming from the winning side. The ones that want to see G W Bush defeated by John Kerry. That's going to happen, you can believe it!! :bike: ;) :D PS: As far as i'm concerned someone needs to throw Sh*t on Cheney. :D

LOL--next they'll be telling us that the Dems never drop f-bombs in the Senate office buiding.

This is a non-issue

its just another case of double standard. liberals laugh at people who get concerned about decency on TV, saying you dont have to look at it. janet jackson shows her bare breast to million sof unknowing people, including children, and its a hoot! only when a republican says the F word is it very serious and deserves an apology. they speak of higher standards, conviently forgeting how they laughingly brushed off any talk about higher standards in conjunction with the presidency and adultry in the oval office. It doesnt affect his job at all" they said. But now cheney saying the F word is going to bring down the government, whatever.

Originally posted by Travh20
its just another case of double standard. liberals laugh at people who get concerned about decency on TV, saying you dont have to look at it. janet jackson shows her bare breast to million sof unknowing people, including children, and its a hoot!

If there's a double standard, you're the one holding it. You claim that you're for decency, and Mr. Bush wanted to set a new "tone" in government but apparently this kind of language is decent and proper. Does Janet Jackson really have anything to do with this discussion or do you just like to talk about her tits?

only when a republican says the F word is it very serious and deserves an apology.

Nope, I didn't say it was serious, but we both agreed it deserves an apology.


they speak of higher standards, conviently forgeting how they laughingly brushed off any talk about higher standards in conjunction with the presidency and adultry in the oval office. It doesnt affect his job at all" they said. But now cheney saying the F word is going to bring down the government, whatever.

Trav, it's the Republicans who constantly harp about decency and "higher standards" and when one of them screws up they start whining about Clinton as an excuse for their own bad behavior. I should be used to your reliance on hyperbole in your arguments, but I don't think anyone suggested that this was anything more than a simple gaffe on Cheney's part. He should have aplogized and he didn't. That just makes him classless, not a threat to the American way of life. From an article on the subject:

Vituperative exchanges are nothing new in Washington. But optimist that I am, I expected something different from the man who vowed to tame the rancor that permeated the Clinton administration and its opponents.

"We take seriously the responsibility to be honest and civil," Cheney announced back in 2001.

He must have forgotten that promise. (The public use of the F-word can do that, you know.) To make matters worse, he told Fox News that such vulgarity was "appropriate" and that he "felt better" afterward.

Exactly the kind of defensiveness my 13-year-old displays when confronted with wrongdoing.

So...I guess not only does he not have to aplogize, he thinks that his language was appropriate.


LOL--next they'll be telling us that the Dems never drop f-bombs in the Senate office buiding.

This is a non-issue

No uncool, I'm sure that Senators from both sides of the aisle use profanity in the Senate Office Building, but Cheney's remark was made on the Senate floor, and the only reason it was not a violation of Senate rules was because the Senate was not in session at the time.

If you feel it's a non-issue then don't discuss it.

so saying the f word on the senate floor is worse then getting a blowjob in the oval office? Just wanted to clear that up :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Travh20
so saying the f word on the senate floor is worse then getting a blowjob in the oval office? Just wanted to clear that up :rolleyes:

So you have no better argument then to falsely put words in other people's mouths?...I just wanted to clear that up...

Trav...are you incapable of reading what I post? Do you have to keep fabricating stuff? Just to be clear, I posted this:

Nope, I didn't say it was serious, but we both agreed it deserves an apology.

What part of that statement draws a comparison to what Clinton did?

For that matter, what the hell does Clinton's behavior have to do with Cheney's?

You know...it's a perfect example of something else I posted:

when one of them screws up they start whining about Clinton as an excuse for their own bad behavior.

Thanks for proving my point Trav, I couldn't have done better myself.
:)

If I was in the Senate building. I'm pretty sure I'd be screaming "WHAT THE FUCK!?" quite often.

lol, to be sure. we all would be.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
No uncool, I'm sure that Senators from both sides of the aisle use profanity in the Senate Office Building, but Cheney's remark was made on the Senate floor, and the only reason it was not a violation of Senate rules was because the Senate was not in session at the time.

If you feel it's a non-issue then don't discuss it.

I have just as much right to discuss this as you do. Why do the ultra-libs have such a problem with free speech?

The Cheney f-bomb IS a non-issue. The more pertinent discussion is the hypocrisy of the extremists who are making a big deal of it.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
I have just as much right to discuss this as you do. Why do the ultra-libs have such a problem with free speech?

When did we say we have a problem with free speech? This is not a “speech” issue. This is a common curtsey issue.

We all use profanity, and curse. It’s common, and we all understand that. But to say it on the Senate floor, directly in someone’s face is a bit much. Especially since Cheney is the head of the Senate and should set an example. He if anyone should not use this type of language.

It’s also an issue when Ken Lay has done nothing wrong but investigate the Halliburton mismanagement that Cheney has some sort of connection to. Which is how the issue started. Which just further proves the connection. :rolleyes:

But what really gets me…is the simple fact that Cheney said, “I usually don’t talk like that” but then he said, “I felt better after I said it” and he said he was not going to apologize…which is just snide and arrogant.

That’s what really hits me hard…is that we have a Vice President that is so conceded.

;)

if I hear the words "saddam was no threat" or "hallibrton and cheany" out of your mouth one time I am going to bash your madonna CD's over your thinck head

Originally posted by Travh20
if I hear the words "saddam was no threat" or "hallibrton and cheany" out of your mouth one time I am going to bash your madonna CD's over your thinck head


My Goodness! I hope you never say anything like that on the Senate floor!:D

its funny to see all these anarchist rebel free spirits suddenly so concerned with protocal, procedures and rules :rolleyes:

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
I have just as much right to discuss this as you do. Why do the ultra-libs have such a problem with free speech?

Of course you have every right to discuss anything you wish, that's the whole purpose of this forum, but you said it was a non-issue... apparently it's enough of an issue that you want to discuss it.

BTW, I'm not an "ultra-lib"...I'm not even a liberal on all issues, but I think I'm intelligent enough to know that a liberal would be for free speech, not against it as you seem to believe.

The Cheney f-bomb IS a non-issue. The more pertinent discussion is the hypocrisy of the extremists who are making a big deal of it.

Actually, no one here is making a "big deal" of it except you...I've said repeatedly that it wasn't "serious" and a simple apology would suffice. Is there anything else you don't understand about what I've posted on the subject?

Are you capable of having a discussion without erroneously referring to people as "ultra-libs", hypocrites, and "extremists", or is name-calling all you're capable of?

Originally posted by Travh20
its funny to see all these anarchist rebel free spirits suddenly so concerned with protocal, procedures and rules :rolleyes:

I'm an anarchist? I'm a rebel? That's news to my ears.

Oh and go ahead and "smash my Madonna CD's all over my head" because your immaturity grows the more I speak with you.

I've countered all your arguments on why Saddam was a threat and how Halliburton was linked to Cheney.

Have a nice day!

:rolleyes: immature is the word used by kids to try and look like big boys

Originally posted by Travh20
:rolleyes: immature is the word used by kids to try and look like big boys

Oh, you got me Trav! ;)

Originally posted by Vilepagan

Actually, no one here is making a "big deal" of it except you...I've said repeatedly that it wasn't "serious" and a simple apology would suffice. Is there anything else you don't understand about what I've posted on the subject?

Are you capable of having a discussion without erroneously referring to people as "ultra-libs", hypocrites, and "extremists", or is name-calling all you're capable of?

Okay, demonstrating my infamous lack of good judgement, I'll feed ya again. But just a little.

NEWSFLASH: Vilep, you aren't the only one who's posted anything on this subject. When I said people were making a big deal out of this, I was also referring to other forum members and the press. It's not ALL about YOU.

And I'll try to remember that you're a moderate. ROFL.

My use of the terms ultra-lib, hypocrites, and extremists applied where I used them. I don't see you whining like this when liberals use these same kind of terms to vilify everyday Americans. Oh, right, I get it, free speech only applies when used by liberals.....

Originally posted by Overdose
I've countered all your arguments on why Saddam was a threat

But have you countered all of John Edwards' arguments on why Saddam was a threat?

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
But have you countered all of John Edwards' arguments on why Saddam was a threat?

You are silly to assume I have to agree with everything Edwards and Kerry think, just becase I'm supporting them for office. In my opinion I would like to have Howard Dean in the Presidency. But, when it comes down to it, Kerry/Edwards are better then Bush/Cheney any day. So the whole Edwards and Kerry support the war! Is just ridiculous. They don’t support the way it’s been managed, or the reasons Bush gave for going in. It’s not as simplistic as you make it out to be.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
Oh, right, I get it, free speech only applies when used by liberals.....

This is not a speech issue the liberals are bringing up. I’ve pointed out to you why we were upset. Vile said it’s not an “issue” but that Cheney should at least apologize for his actions, which is understandable, don’t you think?

yes, he should apologize for what he said and where he said it, and that should be it. all this higher standard crap is ridiculous coming from people who argue that adultry in the oval office shouldnt matter as long as it doesnt affect his job.

Trav is right. The important issue is not Cheney's remark. It's the double standard applied by liberals.

Liberals engage in ad hominem attacks, but criticize any response that uses strong descriptive language.

They dismiss philandering in the oval office, but get red in the face when the V.P. makes an off color remark.

Michael Moore "documentaries" and left-wing websites are okay, but not "hate" talk radio and the Fox News Channel.

They support censoring religious speech based on the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, while ignoring that the First Amendment also forbids "prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

So, okay, Cheney should apologize to the President of the Senate for using that kind of language on the Senate floor.

;)

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
Trav is right. The important issue is not Cheney's remark. It's the double standard applied by liberals.

Yes, we all know that Conservatives are all fair-minded people, like Newt Gingrich who was married several times and had affairs while married and then went after Clinton for his adultery...no double standard there...

Liberals engage in ad hominem attacks, but criticize any response that uses strong descriptive language.


immature is the word used by kids to try and look like big boys

Are you suggesting that Trav is a liberal because he engages in ad hominem attacks?

I have no problem with strong descriptive language, but I don't think saying "F**K YOU" falls into that category.

They dismiss philandering in the oval office, but get red in the face when the V.P. makes an off color remark.

No, I think Clinton should apologize for his behavior as well...oh that's right, he did apologize. I wonder why Cheney feels he's above that...

Michael Moore "documentaries" and left-wing websites are okay, but not "hate" talk radio and the Fox News Channel.

Nope, wrong again...they're all ok as long as they don't deliberately distort the truth and say something like..."liberals do this or liberals think that"...as if all liberals believe the same things...

They support censoring religious speech based on the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, while ignoring that the First Amendment also forbids "prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Perhaps you could give an example of someone who tried to censor religious speech...

So, okay, Cheney should apologize to the President of the Senate for using that kind of language on the Senate floor.

;)

Well at least you have a sense of humor uncool...:)

Originally posted by Travh20
yes, he should apologize for what he said and where he said it, and that should be it.

He said, “I don’t normally talk this way” but that he “felt better after he said it” and when they asked him if he was going to apologize, he declined.
;)

ya, and he is wrong.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Travh20
if I hear the words "saddam was no threat" or "hallibrton and cheany" out of your mouth one time I am going to bash your madonna CD's over your thinck head [/QUOTE
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I sometimes wish that people with your narrow-minded perception were in Iraq, getting your stupid heads cut-off. :p :upyours: