WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged on Thursday he ordered the detention of an Iraqi terrorism suspect who was held for more than seven months without notifying the International Committee of the Red Cross but said the man was “treated humanely.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5232981/

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Yep he said that Tenet asked him to hold him without registering with the ICRC. So how is this about Rumsfeld? It should be about Tenet.

You know, I heard this on NPR on the way home from work and thought to myself "I bet Overdose posts this story!"

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Yep he said that Tenet asked him to hold him without registering with the ICRC. So how is this about Rumsfeld? It should be about Tenet.

Tenet didn't detain the man secretly Rumsfeld did, and I'm sure you're not under the impression that Rumsfeld takes orders from Tenet, so i really don't understand the point you're trying to make.

From the article:

Failure to issue the man an identification number and failure to notify the Red Cross are violations of the Geneva Conventions on treatment of prisoners of war.

Earlier, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said that Rumsfeld ordered the Joint Chiefs of Staff to have the prisoner secretly detained on the day last October.

Also:

The Bush administration has argued that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to suspected terrorists who do not follow the conventions themselves. But Rumsfeld and other administration officials have said the Geneva Conventions applied to all U.S. military activities in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion.

And perhaps most distressing of all:

The Pentagon’s admission came a day before a human rights group released a report accusing the United States of keeping an unknown number of terrorist suspects in secret lockups around the world.

What's it going to take before Rumsfeld is canned?

This kind of behavior really bothers me. How can we expect other countries to honor the Geneva Convention when we don't? How is this going to affect our soldiers who are captured?

Sorry he was a suspected terrorist and they are not covered by the Geneva Convention, so technicaly it was not a violation. But if the CIA director asks you to hold someone without registration with ICRC(which is a valid request, according to the GC for a period of time needed to complete interrogation without ICRC interference) you will. The DoD depends on the CIA to provide intel and this is another situation of back scratching.

Again this entire war is not a witch hunt to expel Bushs cabinet, it is to purge terrorists and as long as we are succesfull and there is no more abuse, I see no problem.
Sorry but this is a point I cant be convinced to change my mind. Not rummy but the detention of terror suspects withouot notifying ICRC.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Sorry he was a suspected terrorist and they are not covered by the Geneva Convention, so technicaly it was not a violation.

Not according to Rumsfeld.

But if the CIA director asks you to hold someone without registration with ICRC(which is a valid request, according to the GC for a period of time needed to complete interrogation without ICRC interference) you will. The DoD depends on the CIA to provide intel and this is another situation of back scratching.

I don't have a problem with holding someone briefly for the purposes of interrogation, but 8 months? And exactly how would the ICRC "interfere" with an interrogation? How would registering him prevent you from interrogating him?

Again this entire war is not a witch hunt to expel Bushs cabinet, it is to purge terrorists and as long as we are succesfull and there is no more abuse, I see no problem.
Sorry but this is a point I cant be convinced to change my mind. Not rummy but the detention of terror suspects withouot notifying ICRC.

Witch hunt? What are you talking about?

Beirut, nothing good will come of this. If we disregard the geneva convention it's OUR soldiers who will pay the price.

I agree to a point, of course rummy is going to say that we will follow the GC but when detaining a non sanctioned combatant it is not required.

I am refering to the witch hunt in the media, no matter what happens they are looking to burn someone. I think that we need to wait until we have all the facts before we accuse someone.
By the way after rummy chewed the medias ass today at the PC he was not going to get a good read in the press.

As for causing injury to our troops it appears that Al Qaeda is targeting the Iraqi civilians more now.


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i fpeople like overdose stopped forcing themselves to care for terrorists so much just to get a lick in on the adminstration, well, nevermind, that wont happen. overdose doesnt post a thing about nick berg or this other guy going to get his head cut off tomorrow, but a story about some scumbag terrorist getting panties on his head or not getting to see a red cross worker and its al over. I take it back, he did post about nick berg, only long enough to parrot al zaquaris rhetoric about how its our fault and the killing was mearly retribution for th prison abuse, becasue we all know if that didnt happen al qeada would have laid down their arms by now

Originally posted by Travh20
i fpeople like overdose stopped forcing themselves to care for terrorists so much just to get a lick in on the adminstration, well, nevermind, that wont happen. overdose doesnt post a thing about nick berg or this other guy going to get his head cut off tomorrow, but a story about some scumbag terrorist getting panties on his head or not getting to see a red cross worker and its al over. I take it back, he did post about nick berg, only long enough to parrot al zaquaris rhetoric about how its our fault and the killing was mearly retribution for th prison abuse, becasue we all know if that didnt happen al qeada would have laid down their arms by now


When did I say I cared for the terrorists? It’s just another flaw by Rumsfeld, going along with George Trent, someone who the Republicans seem to hate.

Most stories, like nick berg, were posted so fast, that I didn’t have time to post a thread. So, please, even the families of Nick Berg attacked the Administration on not “doing enough”

I don't hate Tenet. I think he got a bum rap from the press and libruls. He has done a great job considering the state of the CIA when he took over after it was gutted by other certain libruls.

As for terrorists being held in secret detention centers I am all for it. I don't want to sound harsh but these are people that will murder innocent civilians for a cause and the longer these people are locked up the safer the world will be.

Originally posted by Travh20
i fpeople like overdose stopped forcing themselves to care for terrorists so much just to get a lick in on the adminstration, well, nevermind, that wont happen. overdose doesnt post a thing about nick berg or this other guy going to get his head cut off tomorrow, but a story about some scumbag terrorist getting panties on his head or not getting to see a red cross worker and its al over. I take it back, he did post about nick berg, only long enough to parrot al zaquaris rhetoric about how its our fault and the killing was mearly retribution for th prison abuse, becasue we all know if that didnt happen al qeada would have laid down their arms by now

I know you like to attack OD, but what, if anything, does your post have to do with Rumsfeld ordering the secret detention of suspected terrorists?

Originally posted by The Republican
As for terrorists being held in secret detention centers I am all for it. I don't want to sound harsh but these are people that will murder innocent civilians for a cause and the longer these people are locked up the safer the world will be.

I have no problem with locking up terrorists either, but I do have a problem with secretly locking up suspected terrorists indefinitely.

Republican, perhaps you would be so kind as to share with us your evidence that this guy is a terrorist and will murder innocent civilians for a cause. I mean, you do seem certain of his guilt, so I assume you have some evidence. Perhaps you feel it's ok to lock up this guy, guilty or innocent, as long as it makes us feel safer.

Even Rumsfeld stated that all persons involved in combat in Iraq were protected by the GC. How can our violation of the GC protect us? Our soldiers are going to pay the price for this short-sighted stupidity.

OFF THE WALL but....I dont give a damn how the terrorists are treated. look how they would treat us if we were taken prisoner. parade us to the world and then lop off our heads. detain em all, use the tricks of the trade to get your info. They all got my support on that one. PMSing a bit and got bad news from Iraq, not meaning to offend just opinion.

Originally posted by honestyhurts
OFF THE WALL but....I dont give a damn how the terrorists are treated. look how they would treat us if we were taken prisoner. parade us to the world and then lop off our heads. detain em all, use the tricks of the trade to get your info. They all got my support on that one. PMSing a bit and got bad news from Iraq, not meaning to offend just opinion.
:::Hands her a Midol, runs quickly to nearest cover::::::


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LMFAO do I sound that vicious lol.

nope I have been married for 24 years and I know PMS..... LOL, if a woman admits it, its bad..
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