Jihad Comes to UC-Irvine

Where does free speech end and incitement begin? And what is the responsibility of a college administration for what happens on its campus?

At the University of California campus at Irvine (in Orange County), Jewish students pose these two questions. That's because of events sponsored by the Muslim Student Union (MSU) and the Society of Arab Students (SAS) related to their fourth annual “Zionism Awareness Week.”

Zionism is the historic return of Jews to their historic homeland. Originally embraced by Theodore Herzl and other Jewish leaders, Zionism has come to be embraced by many Christians, especially American Protestant Christians, as morally legitimate and politically defensible. But Islamofascists and their fellow travelers use the word pejoratively to explain why wealthy Arab countries have not lifted a finger in more than half a century to help resettle Palestinians. In a movement sweeping Europe, Israel is somehow now "held accountable" for a state of war that Arab nations initiated and have waged for decades. Israel is even considered liable for the Arab rejection of the Oslo accords.


This is just the first part of the story but I needed to get my two cents in here, how is that UC Irvine, a state funded school can allow a Islamic Protest or display but not other religious groups? And since this is called PC why is it that we have to even talk about removing God from everything, but these militants can wear arm bands that say Allah is the only God.

I am mad as hell about this and I will not sit by and allow this to happen... I am asking those of you who disagree with this action to write, call or email your elected officials and demand that this be stopped.

Well here is the rest of the story

jihad at UC Irvine (http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13683)

Why has America become so abysmally stupid? islam is telling us straight up that they are going to overtake us by using our own Constitution. What part of their equations do we not get?

"Legally and politically they have the means to buy political influence and to retain high-powered teams of skilled lawyers. These experts find loopholes in our laws that enable Muslims to manipulate the system. They frighten their opponents with the prospect of dragging them into long-term court battles in order to sue for large sums of money.

The Archbishop of Izmir, His Exc. Giuseppe Germano Bernandini, summed up the political dilemma of the West in relation to Islam by quoting an authoritative Muslim spokesperson that he had encountered during an Islamic-Christian dialogue meeting. The man calmly stated with assurance, "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you."

I am not posting these comments to incite any hatred against peace loving Muslim, but I think we need to see what is our next battle and one I said we would fight on our homeland.
These views are those of militant muslims who will do whatever it takes to eradicate christians, jews and all other religions from the face of the earth.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/theroad.shtml

BV dont you know were beginning a new America, and if the left gets their way its only going to get worse. We cant "Racail Profile" against these Islamic Fascicts we have to be more sensitive, and understand their way of life. Maybe we can invite Al-Sadr to the White House to lead a Muslim Prayer..ya know to show were more cultural. Anything Christian is offensive but if some bums in dirty nightshirts want to pray to ALLA 10 times a day in a public setting thats ok.....its learning a culture outside our own. If we dont get a leader in the White House to open his eyes and see where this countries headed its going to get very scary here. If Liberals like Barbara Boxer get their way soon everything we know in America will mean nothing.

I agree with most of your post, but I do not have a beef with all muslims and wouldnt like to refer to them as bums in a nightshirt. I know that there are alot of raw nerves in this country after 9/11. After Beirut I felt the same way but after years to reflect on my attitude I realize that not all Muslims are bad people.
I am for stopping the spread of terrorism at all costs, I have even tried to get the military to take me back but no one will talk to me because I am 45 and disabled.
amc I understand you feelings but dont let hatred cloud your judgement, clear headed people will be required to make sure we are all safe from the terrorists.
I appreciate your feelings and your passion Lords knows I have let mine get away from me, right OD?
Write your congressional reps, right to Bush, everyone you can to stop the pro terror rallies on state funded schools.
But please dont hate all muslims.
:D

Okay, so we fight the Islamic fascists yet we let fascists like Bush turn America into an intolerant, polluted hellhole? Hell no!

And you are coming across as someone who hates the religion of Islam with sarcastic statements like if some bums in dirty nightshirts want to pray to ALLA 10 times a day in a public setting thats ok. That is okay. Read the First Amendment.

Borg, read my response to amc.
As for letting Bush turn the country into a smoking hell hole, I am for a change but yet their is no choice again. I am tired of not having a candidate I like.

But the difference is that if Islamic Radicals do use our laws to bend us to their will then it is permanent, Bush will either be gone in Jan or in 4 years. The congress controls the government anyway so lets look at who really makes the laws.
Bush is like a the CFO of a corp. Has a little power and can stop somethings.
ONly we can stop these radicals on state funded colleges, there were groups displaying signs that read Death to Jews....
If the KKK protested were allowed to protest on a state funded campus the cries would be world wide and justifiable so.
When we entered the war on terror, I had hoped that we would also go after these groups inside the US as well.
Maybe soon we will get them to stop their hatred.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Borg, read my response to amc.
Well, I wrote that response before yours even appeared...

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Well, I wrote that response before yours even appeared...
I know, thats why I asked you to read it.
I am not asking to hate all muslims, I would never preach any type of racism and if some people take it as that I will remove the thread myself.
I am hoping that people will see this and do the right thing, contact their congressional reps and so on if they are against this as well.
:D

Just my two cents, i get the feeling that this nation is turning to a new form of communism. I am starting to see more laws that take away our personal freedom to make choices, either good or bad. It seems like the Government is putting a noose around our necks and making it tighter and tighter with laws that control more of our day to day activities. That is my two cents.

Big actually it is not laws made by congress but opinions issued by the courts that become law. The ACLU and others have limited our freedom of expression under the guise of protecting it.
I am not able to put a cross on my lawn at Christmas time because some see it as a symbol of hate. A corporation in Florida told their employees to remove the American Flags from their desks as it might be offensive to others, I worked d=for a company that wouldnt allow us to have the flag screensaver as it was also a sign of war and might offend some.
I am an American born and raised, my family has been ion this country since the late 1600 and I have to remove the symbols of my beliefs for the comfort of those who came here on their own free will.

I know what you meen. My friend send me picture of Arlington cementary with a caption about aclu trying to remove these crosses. But then that was proficy for the end times about christians being crucified about there belief's, but that is a whole different thread.

I am not able to put a cross on my lawn at Christmas time because some see it as a symbol of hate.
You're perfectly able to do whatever you want to to your property. Other people may get offended; that is their right. I wouldn't be offended unless it was next to some sign that said "All sinners will burn in a lake of fire" or something like that.

A corporation in Florida told their employees to remove the American Flags from their desks as it might be offensive to others
Linkage, please...that's stupid if it's true, though.

I worked d=for a company that wouldnt allow us to have the flag screensaver as it was also a sign of war and might offend some.
Again, stupid.

It seems you blame organizations like the ACLU for this...the ACLU is fighting FOR people being able to display such things on their property and such...they're not some "PC liberal anti-freedom hate group" as people like Trav would have you believe. I'd provide a link for you, but it's 12:30 AM and I need sleep. :@@: Maybe tomorrow. :)

Here is the link Flag (http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/n/ncci.htm)

Borg I would hate to argue with you on you can do what you want on your own property.
In Orlando in BVL ( a subdivision) It was a ticketable and towable offense to have any vehicle on your property with dual rear wheels, I lived there for 3 years and after it passed the town council many people lost their jobs. My neighbor who worked as a tow truck driver couldnt take the tow truck home and was fired because of this.
Also in the Neighborhood it was a violation to display a cross on your lawn do to a belief that it is a racist expression. THis ordinance was upheld by the Florida supreme court.
I can list many times where you cant do what you want on your own property. I am not talking about illegal or activities in violation of noise or cleanliness ordinances.
Go to Hunters Creek where the house run from 150k to 1 mil and there you must seek approval prior to painting your home, the colors must be withing guidelines. I know because I worked for the company that manages the community while working in a labor hall.

Borg I know you think I am paranoid about the ACLU but I have seen them take cases that are more than ridiculous, I have seen my freedoms cut back because others are offended. I am offended alot but I have not called the ACLU to sue someone or the government to change the law. See I believe that as long as it isnt designed to incite, do damage or injure others it is your right to or say whatever you want. Exluding threats of course. I am offended by people who are racists but as long as they are not inciting or threatening they have the right to say what they want.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Big actually it is not laws made by congress but opinions issued by the courts that become law. The ACLU and others have limited our freedom of expression under the guise of protecting it.
I guess you'll have to point-out where that tactic has been established (http://www.aclu.org/)........unless, of course, it's only an assumption (on your part).

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Why has America become so abysmally stupid? islam is telling us straight up that they are going to overtake us by using our own Constitution. What part of their equations do we not get?
Abysmally stupid????

How ironic it used to be call good business-sense!!! (http://www.ranknfile-ue.org/uen_bloodandoil.html)

We've been screwin' with Middle East politics (and, financing governmental-suppression of their people), for decades!!

I guess they haven't heard about how we're the biggest, baddest industrial-giant in the world.....with the military to keep it that way!!!!

Al Capone would marvel at our efficiency!!!

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Borg I know you think I am paranoid about the ACLU but I have seen them take cases that are more than ridiculous
Name them. (http://www.aclu.org/Focus.cfm?ContentStyle=1&num=10)

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In Germany they first came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up. --The Reverend Martin Niemöller

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The government just hasn't gotten-around to goring your ox, yet, huh????

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
The ACLU and others have limited our freedom of expression under the guise of protecting it.

Can you explain this statement?

I am not able to put a cross on my lawn at Christmas time because some see it as a symbol of hate.

If you own your property, and didn't sign some kind of neighborhood agreement when you bought your property, you are free to put up as many crosses as you'd like.


Also in the Neighborhood it was a violation to display a cross on your lawn do to a belief that it is a racist expression. THis ordinance was upheld by the Florida supreme court.
I can list many times where you cant do what you want on your own property. I am not talking about illegal or activities in violation of noise or cleanliness ordinances.
Go to Hunters Creek where the house run from 150k to 1 mil and there you must seek approval prior to painting your home, the colors must be withing guidelines. I know because I worked for the company that manages the community while working in a labor hall.

What the Florida Supreme Court was upholding was not the legality of an ordinance, but the legality of a contract these people signed when they moved into this neighborhood. Many Condominium owners also sign agreements that restrict everything from what size dog they can have, to the color of their patio furniture. They may own their properties but they are also required by law to honor the agreement they signed when buying the property.

Believe me BV, I don't like these kind of agreements either, but it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that the law isn't allowing people to do what they want on their own property, when in fact the law is merely requiring these people to honor a contract they signed.

Vile they are city ordinances, I have a copy of one of them and am posting it in part below.

Commercial vehicles (as defined in § 14-2-240) shall not be parked or stored on any lot or street in any residential district except as follows:


(A) Ungaraged. One commercial vehicle of 8,000 pounds gross vehicular weight or less permitted where the vehicle is used by a resident of the premises.

(B) Garaged. One commercial vehicle of 10,000 pounds gross vehicular weight or less may be parked in any enclosed garage on a residential lot where the vehicle is used by a resident of the premises.

TO male this clear to those who dont know what the topography of Kissimme is I will explain.
Kissimmee is mostly rural with an area that is built up on US 192 leading from Disney. The areas also affected by this ordinance are tracts of land that are up to 25 acres and sold as ranches. So look at the second line, if you had 10 acres of land, a large barn you wouldnt be allowed to store a tractor trailer on that property, even if it was garaged.
Wreckers generally weigh more than 8000 lbs, most dual wheel vehicles that are rated commercial are over 8000 lbs.
They repealed the original ordinance last year, I found that out while searching for it, but for 6 years it was any vehicle with dual wheels, that would include an f250 pick up. Not a deed restricted community but a city ordinance.
The cross ordinance is also included along with a no clothes line ordinance.
I am not making these up, they are real I fought them in city council meetings but the ACLU showed up on the cross ordinance and also no Star of David either. they are the only two listed. The decision based on that they might incite hate.

Shaman here is the most recent off the wall lawsuit I could find from the ACLU.

The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit asking U.S. District Court Judge Todd Campbell of Nashville to strike down the present system for specialty license plates on motor vehicles.

Similar lawsuits in other states have been successful and, should that happen in Tennessee, charitable causes that now rely on the plates as a fund-raising device and the state Arts Commission would collectively lose about $11.5 million a year.

Currently, the Legislature votes on each specialty plate - there are about 100 different types - and the ACLU lawsuit says the result is politicians unconstitutionally deciding on what free speech is permitted and what is not.


Bit of a stretch isnt it?

I am not a man easily swayed by views of the ACLU and other orgs, but I have watched as they have defended or attacked on the most assanine reasons I have heard.
At times it was almost as if they were on a quest to eradicate logic.
Take the recent case they lead in Ca. Suing on behalf of a teacher who wanted the class to actually say muslim prayers as a part of awarness. The ACLU won. That is a court legislating religion, but also the same court who ruled that three student who prayed aloud before lunch could be expelled if they continued. They are Catholic by the way.
Am I paranoid, no. I am concerned that my heritage is being legislated away.

A few months ago I contacted the ACLU to see if they would be interested in an action against a few states that are now not allowing write-in voting in the Presidential election. Registration of a write-in candidate is not allowed. Hawaii is one of the states.
My grounds was that this was against the rights of these state citizens to consider any candidate that was not a party candidate.
The ACLU was not interested in this action.
Their reply to me made me feel that they were against the right of a person to consider a candidate that was not Demo or Rep.

Bingo, no money in donations from non aligned canidates.

UC Irvine has done it again, they are going to stop Jews from wearing a star of david during graduation but not the muslims, they can wear arm bands supporting Hamas and suicide bombers.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
UC Irvine has done it again, they are going to stop Jews from wearing a star of david during graduation but not the muslims, they can wear arm bands supporting Hamas and suicide bombers.

Well, if you're in the minority, you're expressing your cultural differences, which is to be encouraged. If you're in the majority, then you're trying to oppress the minority with your views, which is to be discouraged.