I know this sounds kind of odd, but I am not a clear cut supporter of Bush but yet I truly despise John Kerry.
I have a couple of links for anyone who is being honest about their feelings. Dont just say, "Oh I dont want to look at the info because he is anti-Kerry."
I was undecided until I, an ex-navy combat veteran, read articles like these.


SO for anyone who is honest to themselves here are the links.

Kerry didnt manipulate the system (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38483)

Petition (http://www.crushkerry.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=36)

I have not seen you once attack Bush. You defend him, just like Trav.

So please, prove to us you are not a "clear cut Bush supporter"

Originally posted by Overdose
I have not seen you once attack Bush. You defend him, just like Trav.

So please, prove to us you are not a "clear cut Bush supporter"

Defending Bush is not the same as supporting him. When I see some of the idiotic attacks on him I can't help but point out the stupidity. And yet I have no plans on voting for him.

I was not a Bush supporter until last month, as my thread " no longer undecided" stated.
I am not happy that I have no real choice, I would like to vote for Lionel but he wont run. I would like a strong Libertarian Candidate, maybe we could dig up Thomas Jefferson and get him to run again.
But if I have to choose between Bush and Kerry as a Naval Veteran I am leaning toward the known, Bush.

i have to agree with you. the lies and flip-flops that kerry makes is too much of a liability for the U.S. and, if he wins, our homeland security and our reputation as the best country in the world will be tarnished

I read the article, and it corresponds to the one video at CrushKerry.com. It is downright disgusting, but I give him the very little credit you would get from admiting it.

As for the crushkerry.com website in general. I laugh. It is horrible, some of the most trivial things twisted to horrible attrocities. Only one video made me doubt anything, the one about his money and giving to charity. I say it is hardly better then the democratic underground.

Originally posted by Blibblob
I read the article, and it corresponds to the one video at CrushKerry.com. It is downright disgusting, but I give him the very little credit you would get from admiting it.

As for the crushkerry.com website in general. I laugh. It is horrible, some of the most trivial things twisted to horrible attrocities. Only one video made me doubt anything, the one about his money and giving to charity. I say it is hardly better then the democratic underground.

i didnt bother to even look at the site. you cant trust places like this especially when the url says 'crush kerry'. it is just dirty politics where they distort the truth. moveon.org is the same thing. they put out ads comparing bush to hitler....

Only the petition is from CrushKerry.com, I also dont agree with their slant, but the article was written prior to the video you speak of.
I have seen alot of this talk before, and it is still around. Generally you judge if a point is valid by how long it lasts, it has lasted for a couple of years.
I posted the petition only because I am sick of Kerry saying he is a hero when he is no different than the veterans he complained about in 1971.
I really do not like any one who blows their own horn or shouts look at me I am a war hero, here see the guy I saved.... That is not hero like.

Originally posted by no moore please
i have to agree with you. the lies and flip-flops that kerry makes is too much of a liability for the U.S. and, if he wins, our homeland security and our reputation as the best country in the world will be tarnished
The lies that Kerry makes? WHAT THE HELL ABOUT THE LIES BUSH MADE?! You can't simply discount lies such as him saying that "there's a proven link between Iraq and al-Qaeda"...and then, a study comes out saying the exact opposite. That's lying to the American public in order to curry favor for a war that most Americans are against now (according to recent polls).

As for the flip-flopping...politicians are supposed to do that. It's called "changing one's mind based on new information presented". If I found something out that would cause me to change my opinion on something that could affect millions of people? Hell yes!

Finally, our reputation in the world has already been tarnished. Badly. By Bush.

What the commission said is that there is no clear cut link between Iraq and 9/11 the commission does state that on numerous occasions Iraqi officials meet with Al Qaeda, it also doesnt cover the known link between Zarqawi and Quday, or the link between other terror groups that trained at Salman Pak and are splinter groups of Al Qaeda. SO I believe that the commission is addressing the 9/11 link and no further. Even though a NY judge has ruled Iraq and Hussein liable in the 9/11 attacks based on testimony of former instructors of Salman Pak.
SO I guess it will be the war semantics.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
The lies that Kerry makes? WHAT THE HELL ABOUT THE LIES BUSH MADE?! You can't simply discount lies such as him saying that "there's a proven link between Iraq and al-Qaeda"...and then, a study comes out saying the exact opposite. That's lying to the American public in order to curry favor for a war that most Americans are against now (according to recent polls).

As for the flip-flopping...politicians are supposed to do that. It's called "changing one's mind based on new information presented". If I found something out that would cause me to change my opinion on something that could affect millions of people? Hell yes!

Finally, our reputation in the world has already been tarnished. Badly. By Bush.

i would call the Zarqarwi going to Iraq to hide after the war in afganistan a definate link between the two. i can understand if you think that isnt enough, but there were definate links between the two. i would also like to say in general that to say there are no wmds in Iraq is not yet decided. i still have faith that there are or they have been moved to syria. too many people are saying , "there are none". you would have to search every inch to say that.

The 9/11 panel said there was no link.

Rumsfeld and Bush said there was no link
Now they said there is a link, even though the panel said there wasn’t.

If the 9/11 panel cannot see a link, with more information then we all have, then I highly doubt there is one.

Originally posted by Overdose
The 9/11 panel said there was no link.

Rumsfeld and Bush said there was no link
Now they said there is a link, even though the panel said there wasn’t.

If the 9/11 panel cannot see a link, with more information then we all have, then I highly doubt there is one.


i just gave it to you////there is a link....zarqawi

No link...the 9/11 panel said there was no link, and I think I will trust their judgment, since they have more resources at their figure tips.

Originally posted by Overdose
No link...the 9/11 panel said there was no link, and I think I will trust their judgment, since they have more resources at their figure tips.
not what they said and they said it again tonight to make sure the press got it right.

read my posts in your thread on the commission. sorry to disappoint.

:banana:

From what I’m reading, there is a link between Saddam and Al Queda, but not with Saddam and 9/11. We are avenging 9/11, which is what these wars are supposed to be about, not past connections. Saddam had no link to 9/11.

Originally posted by Overdose
From what I’m reading, there is a link between Saddam and Al Queda, but not with Saddam and 9/11. We are avenging 9/11, which is what these wars are supposed to be about, not past connections. Saddam had no link to 9/11.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Bush never said that, he said it was war on all terrorists, no matter where they were no matter who funded, backed or protected them.
He never billed it as a war against the 9/11 attackers. [/QUOTE