Not that it will make any of you Republicans believe that the Iraq War is making us less safe, but it’s still a good read.

“The toppling of Saddam Hussein has strengthened Islamic fundamentalists in both Iraq and Iran and given her country's theocratic regime a new justification "to keep people silent."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/2004-06-13-ebadi-usat_x.htm

ya, because if we didnt do it islamic fundamentalism would have just gone away :rolleyes: if everything happened in a vaccum as you seem to think they do, this may be right, but saying that attacking iraq makes more terrorists is making the assumption that they know how many terrorists would have been"made" if we didnt attack iraq, and that it is a fact that we would have been safer if we didnt attack iraq. non eo fhtese can be proven or even argued effectivley. I also enjoy how they refer to an oppresive islamic regime like Iran, who keep women as slaves and second class citizens, as "her". that shows right there whoever wrote this has no clue.

And I posted an article last week in another thread that said the UN Human Rights Watch said the war had improved the average Iraqis life.
So again there are two points to every story.
You know I almost didnt post that report because I dont believe the UN is a good judge of human rights since they are ignoring the massacres in Africa at the moment. But I did because I thought it was a good story that showed we were doing something good. Well anyway the one I posted was the official report.

“The toppling of Saddam Hussein has strengthened Islamic fundamentalists in both Iraq and Iran and given her country's theocratic regime a new justification "to keep people silent."

She didn’t say anything about the improvement of the Iraq life, just that there is more anti-Americanism in the Islamic world. Which is what is making us less safe, by being in Iraq.

again, this is said by overdose assuming that if we didnt attack iraq that somehow anti americanism would have declined in the arab world.

Trav, it wouldn’t have grown, that’s for sure. A rise in Al Quidea has happened, because of our invasion in Iraq. If you can’t see that, you are hopeless.

Originally posted by Overdose
Trav, it wouldn’t have grown, that’s for sure. A rise in Al Quidea has happened, because of our invasion in Iraq. If you can’t see that, you are hopeless.
How do you figure that? It grew without our invasion prior to 9/11. So that opinion of your is flawed. If it wouldnt have grown then we would have never ever been attacked.

Look at the reports, BV, Al Quidea membership has grown more then it ever has, during the Iraq Invasion, especially when the prisoner abuse was occurring.

You honestly believe that the prisoner abuse wouldn’t encourage American hate, and disgust in the Arab World? Or for that matter make a rise in Al Quidea membership grow? You have got to be kidding!

Do you really believe that Al Qaeda who fired the first shot would just walk away and not target us ever again? DO you really think that they wouldnt have rallied around another point?
They are using the stories on the front page to influence weak minded people to join their fight, before that they used a promise of great rewards from Allah to recruit. A large number of members are being recruited from within our on prison system, should we shut them down? No we should fight as long and as hard as we need to defeat the threat.

But making the threat worse, is okay?

If it is worse then why havent we been hit inside our borders many times since we invaded?

If I do remember correctly the rise in Al Quidea membership happened when the prisoner abuse was occurring…so it’s been fairly recent in the rise in membership.

But funny, shortly after the Prisoner Abuse, which is what lead to the rise in membership, we got that warning from John Ashcroft….

Originally posted by Overdose
If I do remember correctly the rise in Al Quidea membership happened when the prisoner abuse was occurring…so it’s been fairly recent in the rise in membership.

But funny, shortly after the Prisoner Abuse, which is what lead to the rise in membership, we got that warning from John Ashcroft….
Nope, the report which was released at that time was from the previous quarters numbers.

But read this, I think that maybe you would believe what other Muslim leaders say about democracy in the region.


Muslims Speak out on Democracy (http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB4XYU7GVD.html)

I suggest you look up the reports again about the Al Quidea membership…that was growing, after the Prisoner Abuse.

The report from a british think tank was released two days after the scandal hit the papers. SO to conclude it was written about that time is incorrect. It was prepared based on stats from earlier.
Also it never said they had 18k new recruits it said membership was up in Al Qaeda and its off shoots.
But if you read deeper t also says that all figures are estimates based on private intel.

Originally posted by Overdose
Trav, it wouldn’t have grown, that’s for sure. A rise in Al Quidea has happened, because of our invasion in Iraq. If you can’t see that, you are hopeless.

and you are so sure it would not have grown because? dont place all your eggs in the basket of studys and polls overdose. there is no way of knowing what you claim to be so sure of.