http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5192903/

yep, the terrorist will try their ass off to stop the hand over at all costs, and you their willing parrot to trumpet every attack as the end of the world

Or maybe it’s how we are mismanaging the war so badly, that we cannot properly set a democracy in Iraq?

oh, I am sorry, I didnt know there was a instant democracy, just add water :rolleyes: damn MTV generation, wants everything wrapped up and over in 30 minutes or its an utter failure.

Didn’t MTV come around in the 80’s?

ya but it didnt turn cmpletly idiotic until the last 10 years

I'm sure it didn't turn "cmpletly" idiotic until the last 10 years.

and when typos are brought up it shows you have completely lost all hope in saying anything relative to the topic. you lose, again.

The MTV Generation has been around since the 80’s. So that generation can vote, and is at least in there 30’s (implying they were at least 10 or so when they started watching it)

I was born in 1989, and started watching MTV in about 2000 (although I rarely watch that channel) I guess I am part of that Generation.

Oh and how does MTV make us want everything done in a limited amount of time, I’ve yet to see your reasoning.

Oh and I make type-o’s. But not when I’m claiming something else “idiotic”.

I also, guess this is a game, because “I lost”

still with the specifics. you know damn well what I mean, stop dancing boy.

hahahahaha

I am confused, you post a story saying that terrorist kiiled another Iraqi official and this supports your point how?
I know you are going to blame it on us, we didnt protect the entire population of Iraq with 135k troops. OD we cant protects every American, our job is to portect those we can and allow them to protect themselves.
If terrorist kill more ofiicials then it means we need to impose more controls on Iraq and you wouldnt like that.

I’m posting this as an example of how we cannot properly create democracy in Iraq. Do you know how many news reports have been coming out of how many Iraqi Officials have been killed?

It just shows how hard the people in Iraq are working to stop democracy from working in Iraq.

Do you know how many people where killed by Torries in our revolution? I am not talking about soldiers but by those opposed to the war.
To say that we cant provide democracy to Iraq is true, only they can provide it for themsleves but we can give them a chance to have it.
To say that adversity is a reason to stop ours and their efforst to achieve what a large number wants is saying that it is easier to have never tried than to have put forth the effort.

A chance to have it, when every leader that is trying to create democracy in Iraq, is being shot and murdered?

Anything worth having is not easy. Some will die so that others will be free. Sort of like the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have given their lives in the last 100 years for our freedom.
Iraqi leaders are being killed because of a few men who wish to impose a dictorial rule on Iraq and of course Al Qaeda who wishes to kill anyone they can.
They say they care for the Iraqi people but yet they kill them, so maybe they just like to create turmoil and maybe they are at fault not us and our allies.

It’s not easy…well I guess Bush should have thought of a better plan to make things run more smoothly in Iraq. I never once heard of a plan to democracy in Iraq…all I heard was, “Saddam, weapons, must go” and now that we are in Iraq, we are figuring out the hard stuff.

If he actually wanted democracy he should have told us that first, not using that as a scapegoat for his WMD failure.

I think the name of the operations said it pretty well, Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Well a plan for democracy is what we have been talking about for 6 months in the House, UN and most of the world.
SO I would say it will be executed as well as it can be. By the way it is in the hands of the UN now.

And I wonder why it is in the hands of the UN? Because Bush mismanaged the war, and understood he couldn’t handle it and we needed the UN in Iraq (like I and John Kerry have been saying all along) and finally President Bush got some sense knocked into him and decided to do it (Because he didn’t have a plan, and we needed world help, so he went back to the UN).

Although I’m sure we are still the biggest influence in Iraq, not the UN.

Originally posted by Overdose
And I wonder why it is in the hands of the UN? Because Bush mismanaged the war, and understood he couldn’t handle it and we needed the UN in Iraq (like I and John Kerry have been saying all along) and finally President Bush got some sense knocked into him and decided to do it (Because he didn’t have a plan, and we needed world help, so he went back to the UN).

Although I’m sure we are still the biggest influence in Iraq, not the UN.
Wow another great spin on a story that proves that the war was just.
I am done with this one.

byebye...........

overdose the great american patriot, theres nothing our country cant acomplish if we put our minds to it! Oh wait, nevermind, thats only true when there someone with a (D) next to their name in office. All other cases require kofi annan to come pull our sorry asses out of the fire.

OD...why are you so damn pessimistic about everything? In every march to democracy people died. Name one change of government system that went perfect? And BV is right...we went into this to liberate and free the Iraqi people. The original name was Operation Iraqi Liberation...but the lefties in this country and others bitched the acronym spelt OIL...so it was changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Originally posted by The Republican
OD...why are you so damn pessimistic about everything? In every march to democracy people died. Name one change of government system that went perfect? And BV is right...we went into this to liberate and free the Iraqi people. The original name was Operation Iraqi Liberation...but the lefties in this country and others bitched the acronym spelt OIL...so it was changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom.

I seem to recall that the original name had the word "crusade" in it, which of course caused some outcry, and rightfully so.

I don't think OD's pessimistic, I think he's idealistic, and I think a little more idealism might lead this country to where Trav's statement "theres nothing our country cant acomplish if we put our minds to it!" might be true again.

Vile, an idealist would never say that people are dieing so we shouldnt try? Or what good does it do. He is anti-Bush and no matter what is said or proven he will not move from his perch. That is neither pessimistic nor an Idealist, that is close minded and dangerous.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
I seem to recall that the original name had the word "crusade" in it, which of course caused some outcry, and rightfully so.

I don't think OD's pessimistic, I think he's idealistic, and I think a little more idealism might lead this country to where Trav's statement "theres nothing our country cant acomplish if we put our minds to it!" might be true again.

I seem to not recall the word crusade being in the name of the operation to invade Iraq...if you would be so kind as to tell me what the full operation name was I would greatly appreciate it.

As for the idealistic and realism from OD see BV's comments above. My sentiments exactly.

the original name of the afghanistan operation was eternal justice, but a bunch of morons said it may offend the taliban becasue only god is eternal. we should have known right them any attempt to act would be met with the stiffest opposition. not from the taliban or saddam, but from our own libruls.