If everyone in the military were as dedicated as THESE (http://www.snopes.com/military/isabel.htm) guys are, this country would truly be invincible :cool:

Those young men assigned to the Old Guard are a dedicated bunch.

Most are, serving in The Old Guard is an honor. My father did, it was his last duty station as an enlisted man.
Dont under estimate our military we may sometimes look lax and a few give the appearance that we are evil but when it is on, they will be as determined as The Old Guard.

yep!!!

w0w they are such golden angels!!!

Too bad the rest of the world doesnt take a hint from these soldiers!!

If I may guys. Its slightly disturbing that a militaristic mindset prevails as it does, heres why.

No doubt these people Dunkirk refers to were brave soles, but they're all dead.
Young lives wasted on foreign fields, fighting someone elses battles.

Honor them sure, but try and stop more names joining they're ranks, that would be the best honor of all to them.

If I may guys. Its slightly disturbing that a militaristic mindset prevails as it does, heres why.

No doubt these people Dunkirk refers to were brave soles, but they're all dead.
Young lives wasted on foreign fields, fighting someone elses battles.

How true.

The article said --

""When practically everyone in was beating a hasty retreat or
battening down the hatches from Hurricane Isabel, a small
group of men decided their commitment to duty, honor and
country was more important than personal safety or comfort.
The Tomb Guard Sentinels, the elite soldiers of the 3rd U.S.
Infantry regiment chosen to act as guards at the Tomb of the
Unknowns, opted to sustain their constant vigil. They were
given permission to seek shelter but chose to remain,
marching in the wind and rain. To have these soldiers ignore
their own personal well-being is an example of real
patriotism and a real reminder of the sacrifices made to
secure the principles of liberty.""

I wish i could tell you how deeply disturbing I find it that there are people so blinded by illusory concepts like "honor" and "duty" or "patriotism" that they'd risk their lives over guarding a tomb.........or that other people actually revere them for doing so.

To me, it is nothing but an illustration of human ignorance and the power of superstition.

Truly sad.

How true.

The article said --

""When practically everyone in was beating a hasty retreat or
battening down the hatches from Hurricane Isabel, a small
group of men decided their commitment to duty, honor and
country was more important than personal safety or comfort.
The Tomb Guard Sentinels, the elite soldiers of the 3rd U.S.
Infantry regiment chosen to act as guards at the Tomb of the
Unknowns, opted to sustain their constant vigil. They were
given permission to seek shelter but chose to remain,
marching in the wind and rain. To have these soldiers ignore
their own personal well-being is an example of real
patriotism and a real reminder of the sacrifices made to
secure the principles of liberty.""

I wish i could tell you how deeply disturbing I find it that there are people so blinded by illusory concepts like "honor" and "duty" or "patriotism" that they'd risk their lives over guarding a tomb.........or that other people actually revere them for doing so.

To me, it is nothing but an illustration of human ignorance and the power of superstition.

Truly sad.
that's why you're here posting messages on a message board. what's it like knowing you've reached the apex of your influence on the world?

No doubt these people Dunkirk refers to were brave soles, but they're all dead.
Young lives wasted on foreign fields, fighting someone elses battles.


You're telling me that every military man and woman who has died in the history of this country died a wasted death?

You're telling me that every military man and woman who has died in the history of this country died a wasted death?

Sorry but I cant see where I said that, or implied it either.

Sorry but I cant see where I said that, or implied it either.

The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a memorial dedicated to all the American Soldiers who have died and have not been recovered. You said they were all dead, young lives wasted on foreign battlefields.

What exactly does that mean?

The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is a memorial dedicated to all the American Soldiers who have died and have not been recovered. You said they were all dead, young lives wasted on foreign battlefields.

What exactly does that mean?

It means that if I viewed The Tomb of thr Unknown Soldier I would feel sadness not pride.
All those young lives lost, and for what.
Theres no glory in death, just death.

And in the case of Americas fallen, no nation has spilt its childrens blood as much as the US fighting other peoples wars.

blinded by illusory concepts like "honor" and "duty" or "patriotism"Ummm, OK...

Concepts such as 'Honour', 'Duty' and 'patriotism' are illusions? Riiight! Those illusions have won wars of freedom, ended tyranny, saved lives, prevented men from becoming animals, manifested the RoE of many nations, created brotherhoods between races.

I assure you, they are not an illusion. They are as tangible as a rock.

Terms like "Death before Dishonour" are terms by which some people live their lives. Dishonour is to break codes, perform unsatisfactorily in any aspect of life.

As for 'Patriotism'. This has little more to do with Patriotism, then it does the colour of the sky. This has to do with the kinship between men that serve.

It is that simple.

This is not an illusion.

To me, it is nothing but an illustration of human ignorance and the power of superstition.Oh brother!!!???

No what is ignorance is the degradation of the symbology of what you fail to comprehend. Some people feel there are things worthy of dying for. Furthermore, they hold dear the memory of those that laid down their lives so that others could live in relative freedom.

The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Is a place of Honour, because the poor souls whom rest there. Were never able to receive the proper burial, befitting Soldiers gave their lives in service to their Nation.

I know to some people this is a foreign a concept. To to those that have served along side their brothers in arms. This is nothing more then a pitance of what we can do to honour them.

I think your understanding of what it is you comment on, is lacking. Thus your unsavoury and insulting choice of words. But I believe that if you took the time to look past the ideology you used to formulate that post. You would be able to see something larger then life and worthy of respect.

for as far as i understand from history, almost ALL wars are unneccesary. the men are just defending the rich and the money. not much else.
WW2 was as close to being a neccesary war as you can get.
when you are fighting it is not for honor, or duty, it is mainly to stay alive and keep your buddies alive.
i respect the warrior, not a soldier.
i respect the warrior mentality, not a borg soldier.
i just finished reading "shadow warriors: history of the u.s. army rangers" the author pointed out in the book how sometimes the soldiers are just being used. BUT the warrior continues on and fights.
hopefully one day any future wars aren't there to just make the rich richer and uneccesarily killing young men who do not understand the finer points of how governments and corporations use people.

when you are fighting it is not for honor, or duty, it is mainly to stay alive and keep your buddies alive.And there's no duty or honour in living or dying for ones brothers?