Stonehenge SUMMER SOLSTICE 2004

Following are some names of the many Stonehenge investigators who failed to published the presence of Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit and Carboniferous Black Coal at the Stonehenge monument. The geologic outcrop at Stonehenge is Cretaceous White Chalk, just in case you forgot. Reason for their failure? None of these Stonehenge investigators knew about them. So the point is, why not go see for yourself what they missed, at the Stonehenge SUMMER SOLSTICE 2004 (now that you know their exact locations, and rough amounts)

http://www.bentley-kemp.com/Weston/stonehenge/images/stnhng%20pansheep_jpg.jpg

Aiding in the celebration, so that all may see such missed Stonehenge rocks at night, is English Heritage, who has generously granted the Public free parking and free admission beginning 2200 hours (10:00 p.m.) Sunday 20th June on Father's Day night. So go if you can, it is definitely an extended weekend event. Join the midnight party round the 32.5 tons of Black Coal circling big roundtop mound along A-344 [100 metres (109 yards, 328 feet) E-SE of 04:58 Sunrise Heelstone]. The Black Coal in that Pale Grit covered trench is right under your two (2') feet.

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp?wci=MainFrame&URL1=http%3A//www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp%3FWCI%3DNode%26wce%3D8551%26nolog%3Dtr ue

REPORT ON THE EXCAVATIONS AT STONEHENGE DURING THE SEASON OF 1923
William Hawley
(1851-1941)
Antiquaries Journal. J., 5
1925
21-50
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

STONEHENGE
R.J.C. Atkinson
(1920-1994)
PENGUIN BOOKS
in association with Hamish Hamilton
1956
ISBN 0140136460
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

STONEHENGE in its landscape - twentieth-century excavations
Rosamund M J Cleal, K E Walker, and R Montague
with major contributions by
Michael J Allen, Alex Bayliss, C Bronk Ramsey, Linda Coleman,
Julie Gardiner, P A Harding, Rupert Housley, Andrew J Lawson,
Gerry McCormac, Jacqueline I McKinley, Andrew Payne,
Robert G Scaife, Dale Serjeantson, and Geoff Wainwright
ENGLISH HERITAGE
1995
ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT 10
ISBN 1850746052
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH ACADEMY . 92
Science and Stonehenge
Edited by
BARRY CUNLIFFE & COLIN RENFREW
Published for THE BRITISH ACADEMY
by OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS
1997
ISBN 0197261744
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

HENGEWORLD
Mike Pitts
C
CENTURY . LONDON
2000
ISBN 0712679545
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

PENN GRIT / PENN COAL

Here's three photos showing the Carboniferous White Limestone, Old Red Sandstone (Altar Stone), Carboniferous Black Coal and Carboniferous Pale Grit source area for these Stonehenge rocks.

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~imw/jpg/South-Wales-map-1300.jpg
http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/photos/GowerSWcoalfield.JPG
http://www.xkeys.freeserve.co.uk/geology/coalfield.gif

Here's an arial photo showing the ~100 tons of 1/4 Carboniferous White Limestone Counterscarp (foreground left). The other ~300 tons of 'missing' Carboniferous White Limestone Counterscarp was moved, piled, and is Stonehenge Mound (background left). Rammed in the ditch circling Carboniferous White Limestone Stonehenge Mound is the ~65 tons of Carboniferous Black Coal and Carboniferous Pale Grit from the South Wales Coalfield area. Old Red Sandstone (Altar Stone) is in the ~middle of Stonehenge.

http://www.orionbeadling.net/CSCARPelev.jpg

Here's a photo of the Carboniferous White Limestone Mound from the opposite direction, and a photo of the now-famous Lion head, Calf head, Man face (clockwise), and Eagle wings (centering) Heelstone Sculpture from the archway (its intended view). Rammed in the ditch circling the Tertiary Sandstone Heelstone is ~19 tons of Carboniferous White Limestone from the South Wales Coalfield area. Atkinson was right about this immediate backfilled ditch, unfortunately he failed to inspect the elder limestone fossils.

http://homepages.enterprise.net/sisman/PHOTOs/StoneH1.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/garrydenke

Here's a photo of Carboniferous Black (bituminous) Coal and a photo of Cretaceous White Chalk. The geologic outcrop at Stonehenge is Cretaceous White Chalk. If you can see the color difference between the rock in the first photo and the rock in the second photo, congratulations are in order. You are smarter than the Stonehenge 'experts' (see above).

http://www.geol.umd.edu/~cbentley/virtual_samples/coal.JPG
http://www.geol.umd.edu/~cbentley/virtual_samples/chalk.JPG

Totaling ~465 tons of rocks, these ~400 tons of Carboniferous White Limestone, ~32.5 tons of Carboniferous Black Coal and ~32.5 tons of Carboniferous Pale Grit hauled to Stonehenge, from South Wales Coalfield, in the Stone Age, are the equivalent of ~46.5 ten ton diesel truck loads full of rocks, the equivalent of ~465 one ton pickup trucks full of rocks, the equivalent of ~18,600 fifty pound animal skins full of rocks, or the equivalent of ~37,200 twenty-five pound clay pots full of rocks.

I went to Stonehenge a few times - it's pretty interesting. The first time I went you could walk up to the stones and touch them. The second time I went it was roped off so you could get about 20 feet away but couldn't get up close.

I wonder what this monument was built for - it would have been a huge project that took some serious motivation.

It is very interesting.

But what if it was just a joke on future generations? Like the complicated piece of machinery I saw in a museum that ran and did absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
But what if it was just a joke on future generations? Like the complicated piece of machinery I saw in a museum that ran and did absolutely nothing.

That'd be hilarious. Just a bunch of smartasses decided to prop up some stones knowing that future generations will never be able to figure out that it was just a joke.:D

haha!

Like some kind of elaborate frat prank.......

imagine the amounts of grog consumed that had to inspire that one.........

look at today adn try and figure out what future societies will unearth about us......they will probably find footage of Oprah and think she was royalty or our Goddess....LOL

maybe that's another thread.......

Considering what's in the harbor in New York, they'll probably think we worshipped the goddess "Liberty".

They may also look at the CN tower as though we worshipped a giant fallice......



and perhaps stone henge still stands.......

that Liberty brings to mind the planet of the Apes movies....LOL

Originally posted by DrewM
I went to Stonehenge a few times - it's pretty interesting. The first time I went you could walk up to the stones and touch them. The second time I went it was roped off so you could get about 20 feet away but couldn't get up close. I wonder what this monument was built for - it would have been a huge project that took some serious motivation.
We were there gathered and hoping to show you all of the Carboniferous rocks, circling/over the artifacts. No worries though, all of the Welsh born Stonehenge rocks are to be moved back to Wales:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3830547.stm

Instead we visited the good Doctor Robyn Lewis who staked the official claim on behalf of all fellow druids, all bards and all the Welsh compatriots. Archdruid of Wales made no claim to our artifacts:

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20040614/stonehenge.html

Discoveries sparked it. Glacial transport disproven. So much for the Judd, Kellaway, Hawkins, Williams-Thorpe, et al, glacial transport. Thomas, Atkinson, Greene, Scourse, et al, would be proud.

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/?view=usa&sf=toc&ci=0197261744

Here is the good Doctor's requested list of Welsh rocks that need to go back to Wales. They are in the way of the excavation of our gold, silver, brass, iron, wood, and stone artifacts anyway. Archdruid of Wales, the good Doctor Robyn Lewis, has offered to pay for their removal, as agreed, making this a low cost excavation:

http://groups.msn.com/ArkArchaeology/shoebox.msnw

1) Stonehenge Whitestones - The oldest limestone sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Early Carboniferous (Mississippian) Period, Arundian Age, calcium carbonates. The Early Carboniferous (Mississippian) Period limestone sedimentary rocks comprise the first (1st) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 340 million years old. These stones are called High Tor (Birnbeck) Limestone Formation rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

2) Stonehenge Bluestones - The volcanic rocks (oldest geologically) at Stonehenge are the Ordovician Period intrusive igneous diabases (dolerites), and extrusive igneous felsites (rhyolites) and tuffs (basic). The Ordovician Period igneous rocks comprise the second (2nd) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 470 million years old. These stones are called Ordovician Volcanic rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

3) Stonehenge Coshestons - The oldest sandstone sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Silurian-Devonian Period micaceous sandstones. The Silurian-Devonian Period sandstone sedimentary rocks comprise the third (3rd) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 417 million years old. These stones are called Old Red Sandstone Formation rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

4) Stonehenge Gritstones - The sandstone grit, conglomerate, limestone, shale, and coal sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian), Namurian Age, silicates, calcium carbonates, and carbons. The Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) Period sandstone grit, conglomerate, limestone, shale, and coal sedimentary rocks comprise the fourth (4th) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 320 million years old. These stones are called Millstone Grit Formation rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

5) Stonehenge Coalstones - The bituminous coal sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) Period, Westphalian Age, carbons. The Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) Period bituminous coal sedimentary rocks comprise the fifth (5th) Welsh construction material used by the Stonehenge builders from Wales. This material is approximately 310 million years old. These stones are called Crosskeys Coal Measures rocks. They are Welsh and need to go back to Wales.

Here Here to the good Doctor, the Archdruid of Wales!

Garry Denke

ps. See that DrewM, this redig is financed.

Originally posted by creetwins
haha! Like some kind of elaborate frat prank....... imagine the amounts of grog consumed that had to inspire that one......... look at today adn try and figure out what future societies will unearth about us......they will probably find footage of Oprah and think she was royalty or our Goddess....LOL maybe that's another thread....... These rocks get to stay creetwins, so what is the big deal?

1) Stonehenge White Chalk - The outcrop sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Late Cretaceous Period, Santonian Age, calcium carbonates. The Late Cretaceous Period outcrop sedimentary rocks comprise the first (1st) English construction material used by the Stonehenge builders of England. This material is approximately 85 million years old. These stones are called Seaford Chalk Formation rocks. They are English and belong in England.

2) Stonehenge Sarsens - The youngest sandstone sedimentary rocks at Stonehenge are the Oligocene-Miocene (Tertiary) Period silicates. The Oligocene-Miocene Period sandstone sedimentary rocks comprise the second (2nd) English construction material used by the Stonehenge builders of England. This material is approximately 24 million years old. These stones are called Reading Formation rocks. They are English and belong in England.

Unless of course Marlborough wants the Sarsens back;
Save and Except: the Heelstone of Hampshire County.

Stonehenge Heelstone Sculpture

In 22 separate excavations, for which the detailed records are published, a total of "over 11,500 stone fragments were recorded" at Stonehenge (PROCEEDINGS AT THE BRITISH ACADEMY . 92, SCIENCE AND STONEHENGE, Cunliffe & Renfrew, 1997, pages 258-9), representing all of its different lithologies. Approximately 4,000 sarsen chips, including "a total of 3,760 sarsen fragments", and "sarsen sand from the area", excavated by Lieutenant-Colonel William Hawley (REPORT ON THE EXCAVATIONS AT STONEHENGE DURING THE SEASON OF 1923, W. Hawley, 1925, pages 21-50), from a single location within ten (10) meters of the Heelstone, in the Avenue between the Heelstone and the Slaughter Stone, "do strongly suggest that a stone was either dressed or broken up in the vicinity" (STONEHENGE, Cleal, Walker, Montague, 1995, page 290), in front of the Heelstone carvings.

In 1975, Arizona State University (ASU) GLG 324 Petrology-Petrography class analised the Cainozoic Reading Formation sarsen samples provided by Professor Richard Atkinson from the London Basin, the Hampshire Basin, and from each of the sarsens at Stonehenge. The ASU 1975 GLG 324 Petrology-Petrography class determined through optical mineralogy and geochemical analysis that the source area of the Palaeogene-Oligocene age heavy mineralogy Heelstone was from the Hampshire Basin located to the south of Stonehenge, and all of the rest of the Neogene-Miocene age lighter mineralogy sarsens at Stonehenge were from the London Basin to the north of Stonehenge. It was from this first detailed analysis by ASU in 1975, and the subsequent works of H. Howard 1982; A petrological study of the rock specimens from excavations at Stonehenge, 1979-1980, in M.W. Pitts, 1982, 104-24, where the Heelstone carvings fragment chips from its sculpture were determined. In short, the piles of sarsen chips and sarsen sand at the sarsen Heelstone, "do strongly suggest that a stone was either dressed or broken up in the vicinity" (STONEHENGE, Cleal, Walker, Montague, 1995, page 290), in front of the Heelstone Lion head, Calf head, Man face (clockwise), and Eagle wings (centering) carvings:

http://www.freewebs.com/garrydenke

Bibliography:

REPORT ON THE EXCAVATIONS AT STONEHENGE DURING THE SEASON OF 1923
William Hawley
Antiq. J., 5
1925
21-50
Hele Stone, sarsen chips,
and sarsen sand

STONEHENGE
R.J.C. Atkinson
PENGUIN BOOKS
in association with Hamish Hamilton
1956
ISBN 0140136460
INDEX 221
Carvings, prehistoric,
43-7, 91-3, 139-40, 178-9, 208-9
Heel Stone,
29-30,68-9, 70, 76, 105, 173, 203

STONEHENGE in its landscape; Twentieth-century excavations
Rosamund M J Cleal, K E Walker, and R Montague with major contributions by
Michael J Allen, Alex Bayliss, C Bronk Ramsey, Linda Coleman, Julie Gardiner,
P A Harding, Rupert Housley, Andrew J Lawson, Gerry McCormac, Jacqueline I McKinley,
Andrew Payne, Robert G Scaife, Dale Serjeantson, and Geoff Wainwright
ENGLISH HERITAGE
1995
ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT 10
ISBN 1850746052
INDEX 603, 608
carvings, prehistoric
30-3, Plate 7.2
Heelstone (Stone 96),
25, 26, 166, 269, 270, 271, 272

PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH ACADEMY . 92
Science and Stonehenge
Edited by
BARRY CUNLIFFE & COLIN RENFREW
Published for THE BRITISH ACADEMY
by OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS
1997
ISBN 0197261744
INDEX 351, 355
carvings, prehistoric
5, 29, 35, 150, 338
Heelstone (Stone 96)
15, 16, 28, 155

HENGEWORLD
Mike Pitts
C
CENTURY . LONDON
2000
ISBN 0712679545
INDEX 402, 403
Stonehenge
carvings
8, 26, 265-6, 296-7, 27, 266
Heelstone
8, 96, 135, 139, 145-50, 154, 229, 266, 275, 7, 138, 146, 230