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Vilepagan
06-03-2004, 12:33 PM
Today, George Tenet resigned citing personal reasons according to the White House.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040603/pl_nm/security_tenet_dc_8

According to the article, Bush had this to say about the departing Tenet:

"He's strong. He's resolute," Bush said. "He has been a strong and able leader at the agency. He's been a strong leader in the war on terror."

"He's done a superb job on behalf of the American people," Bush said. "And I will miss him."

Wow, it would seem that someone who presided over the CIA during one of the worst intelligence blunders in our history, actually did a "superb" job.

The Republican
06-03-2004, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Vilepagan
Wow, it would seem that someone who presided over the CIA during one of the worst intelligence blunders in our history, actually did a "superb" job.

Do you really think a President should come out and say "This guy was a stupid moron." after he resigned?

I honestly do not think this makes much of a difference at this point...the damage has already been done. What I am waiting to see is who complains and why about the person Bush appoints to succeed Tenet.

Vilepagan
06-03-2004, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by The Republican
Do you really think a President should come out and say "This guy was a stupid moron." after he resigned?


No I don't think Bush should have insulted the man, but if he didn't think that Tenet did a good job he should have said nothing, or perhaps just thanked him for his service and left it at that. I don't think the man deserves to be praised for the job he did.

WindWip
06-03-2004, 01:34 PM
Do you really think a President should come out and say "This guy was a stupid moron." after he resigned?

No need to insult as pagan said, but he should not recieve praise if he did a bad job.


Wish I knew the rest of the reasons he quit

The Republican
06-03-2004, 01:50 PM
Well George Tenet was a good CIA officer who led a distinguished career that has been tarnished as of late with the poor intelligence of Iraq's WMD. You should not dismiss a person's entire career for the failures as of late. Besides it is customary and the proper thing to do when a person leaves office, or retires, or moves on to another position to speak eloquently of them and praise them for their service.

saycricket
06-03-2004, 02:30 PM
Like before, I don't think Bush would know a "superb" job if it jumped up and bit him in the ass....

On another note: "He [Tenet] was caught in a difficult situation...trying to manage a 20th century intelligence community infrastructure to meet 21st century threats. This was not his fault," said Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.

And: Retired Adm. Stansfield Turner said he thought Tenet was pushed out. "I think the president feels he's in enough trouble that he's got to begin to cast some of the blame for the morass that we are in in Iraq to somebody else, and this was one subtle way to do it," said Turner, himself a former CIA director.

In looking at the company I work for -- the boss is only as good as the employees. I mean, if I feed the boss a bunch of crap, boss will not know any better and relay that info on to someone else. A boss/director cannot be everywhere ALL of the time...and retrack, double check everyone's status.

There is speculation, also, that Tenet is running from the leak at the Pentagon giving classified info to Ahmad Chalabi. Convenient timing for resignation...eh? That, coupled, with the fact that no WMD have ever been found in Iraq...quite a divine time for resignation!!

Overdose
06-03-2004, 05:48 PM
Bush said Rumsfeld did a “suburb” job, even after the reports said he allowed and OK’d the Prisoner Abuse. And he says this guy did a great job, after we had a huge intelligence failure. Bush is just blind.

But maybe it was because the White House believed Chalabi and invited him to the State of the Union Address, and met him in Iraq. So maybe it was just Bush who did a bad job, because he is the one who met with Chalabi and believed everything he said, and in return presenting it in the State of the Union and congress saying “Saddam has weapons and we know where they are! He is a huge threat”

Well, where are they? We’ve found gas, but that does not account for the “grave danger” nor all of the weapons Bush said Saddam had.

Beirut_Veteran
06-03-2004, 08:16 PM
OD define reports?
Anyway let me say this in reference to Tenet. He took over the CIA after a democratic controlled congress helped dismatle the agency at the end of the cold war. So for an agency that has only been rebuilding for 10 years he didnt do a bad job. When you work in an agency such as this, you have to watch everything you do and say. You are paramilitary and political at the same time, you have the responsibility to gather intel and to process it to help protect our interests and people. So if his agency stopped many other attacks, which it did, then he did an ok job.
When it is all said and done then lets look back and see if this intel professional was mostly right or wrong.

DanF
06-04-2004, 12:31 AM
I would liked to have been a fly on the wall when Bush and he met behind closed doors and discussed his resignation.

Karankawa
06-04-2004, 02:04 AM
Wow, it would seem that someone who presided over the CIA during one of the worst intelligence blunders in our history, actually did a "superb" job.

Something tells me that it doesn't matter what Bush would have said, it would have been wrong no matter what. On the other hand, if it was a Democrat saying this, you have given him a 5 star review.

VP, try not talking along party lines so much.

BorgHunter
06-04-2004, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Karankawa
Something tells me that it doesn't matter what Bush would have said, it would have been wrong no matter what. On the other hand, if it was a Democrat saying this, you have given him a 5 star review.

VP, try not talking along party lines so much.
Wow, two fallacies in one! Circumstantial Ad Hominem (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/circumstantial-ad-hominem.html) and Straw Man (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html)!

Vilepagan
06-04-2004, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Karankawa
Something tells me that it doesn't matter what Bush would have said, it would have been wrong no matter what. On the other hand, if it was a Democrat saying this, you have given him a 5 star review.

VP, try not talking along party lines so much.

Karankawa, you really ought to stop listening to those voices in your head, they are misleading you. I stated my reasons for wondering why Bush praised Tenet, and none of the reasons have anything to do with party affiliation.

Where in my post did I mention republicans or democrats?

For the record Karankawa, I'm not a democrat. I will probably vote for Kerry, not because I like him or think he'll do a great job as president, but because I don't trust Bush as far as I can spit. Also, my distrust of Bush is not because he's a republican, it's because of what he's done as president.

If McCain were running, I'd vote for him over Kerry in a heartbeat.

I suggest you take your own advice, and try looking at things from a perspective other than republican/democrat or liberal/conservative.

korg
06-04-2004, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by The Republican
Well George Tenet was a good CIA officer who led a distinguished career that has been tarnished as of late with the poor intelligence of Iraq's WMD. You should not dismiss a person's entire career for the failures as of late. Besides it is customary and the proper thing to do when a person leaves office, or retires, or moves on to another position to speak eloquently of them and praise them for their service. i dont see how this conclusion was reached....this is what happened. most situations call for a reason, then we go to war, bush had a war, and needed a reason. tenet is bush's ollie north. thats why he's praising him. tenet didnt give bad info, he did what he was told to do. bush wanted this war. how dare he stand there and say without doubt, all of the things that he accused iraq of, that were not true.....tenet is a scapegoat...leaving because of his family my ass. how come thats everyones excuse. they are hoping that america says " well , now that the problem is gone we can get down to business". the problem is still in office.......tenet was a scapegoat.......bush had a war, he just needed a reason.....

korg
06-04-2004, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Overdose
Bush said Rumsfeld did a “suburb” job, even after the reports said he allowed and OK’d the Prisoner Abuse. And he says this guy did a great job, after we had a huge intelligence failure. Bush is just blind.

no, bush is not blind, bush thinks he's smart. he's making it seem like all of this was based on bad intelligence, but he planned this war and needed a reason, and told those guys to make it happen....!there are things like this going on all over. people always give people the benefit. look at enron, how sleazy can you be.....look at the haliburton hearings. how overtly obvious can things be. the problem i have is that it seems that people trust people too much. everyone has an agenda . like the man said on tv, how can a man that ducked every opportunity to go fight for his country in his younger years a:) be a war time president. being brave with other peoples kids lives , dont make you a man.....B:) talk badly about the service of another (kerry). only in america can he pull some bullshit like that and we still have people defending this bullshit.....this is more obvious than anything that has happened coruptly in this country......the republicans r i p p e d clinton about not serving.....what the hell is the difference between him and bush...!!??