http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5066844/

But we will hand it over June 30th.

You read the article right? It says that he was one of the candidates for the job not the only one.
Oh by the way it also said he told us that Hussein had WMD's. Hmmm another liar? He is one of the whitecoats that you spoke about in another thread.
Maybe he just said that so he could take power in Iraq, oh yes he doesnt want it.

In 1991 he said he had WMD’s, which he did have them, at the time…nice try, though.

So when did he get rid of them? Did he just make them at the so called aspirin factory as a conversation item? If he had them in 1991 and got away with it do you think he decided that he should get rid of them?

We asked him to disarm, because we no longer wanted him to have weapons. When he didn’t we stopped exports and imports to his country…and that ended up failing because his people were in such distress we had to start back up helping them.

So we I believe gave him a final shot, and that is when we started the UN Weapons Inspectors in 96…until 2000.

Then Bush went in, and all we have to back up our WMD claim is some gas.

some gas, wow maybe you could tell me what official media outlet calls it some gas. Well then the mustard gas was another quirk? Maybe Hussein thought damn I better get rid of this stuff before America comes over here and kicks my ass. Of course then he would have to tell his people that he lost the first war and that he was afraid of us. Or maybe he just threw the inspectors out so he could destroy the WMD's and then let them in to surprise them. Maybe when he wouldnt allow the UN team to leave he was showing them that he was destroying the weapons.
Or maybe he had them, some are still in Iraq and he sent the rest out with terrorist and the 10 chemists that fled to Syria, like the Israeli's and Syrian defector said.
Or maybe everyone is lying just so we could attack a peaceful ruler in the mideast.

Wow, you are being extremely lame with the last sentence of your post. I do not recall seeing reports from the UN Inspectors of him having weapons (in 2000), and if they did have reports, then they too, have some explaining to do.

The fact is, Saddam does not have WMD’s. The “GAS” that was found does not account for everything Bush told us he had. He destroyed his weapons, and he even offered to present facts to the world that he did so. President Bush didn’t allow him to do so, and in return launched a war on information from a crook. Oh and the 10 Chemists that fled to Syria? Why wouldn’t they flee? Hello? The country they live in is about to be attacked!

The reason he disarmed the final time the UN went into Iraq was because the world had enough with his “games”. When we stopped trade with him, he knew we meant business and he then did everything we asked.

It is just proven now, that all of the WMD’s that Bush said he had, still cannot be found. Yes we have found a few lose odds and ends, but nothing to justify a full out evasion.

With your last comment. He was not peaceful, but he was a bad man. That does not change the fact that we have a lot of “bad” men in the world…and it isn’t our job to go around the world like Imperialists and change everyone’s way of life.

He shouldn’t have killed the innocent civilians, but neither should the countries in Africa. Or countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and North Korea shouldn’t have WMD’s either, but we let them have them.

Many of the civilians he killed was because of the weapons we gave him to attack and kill the Curds.

Ironic: The Curds were trying to overthrow Saddam…and we gave him weapons so he could “stay” in power. Now we are fighting Saddam for the very weapons we gave him to stay in power, because we want to do what the Curds tried to do all along...

Now we are less safe, and the world has disgust for us. Good Job

Can you be any more blind, he had weapons and did up to the threat of the attack last year. He offered to prove it if we left Kuwait. If you truly wanted to prove your innocence do you say only if? No you show the world loud and strong. The world doenst hate us, the ones who hated us before still does. I am shocked that you can have these views without having ever been into the world. I am also saddened that you would believe a man who has lied to the entire world for 20 years, he has lied about everything. I think his words to the troops that arrested him where telling, but you will not see that. You wont even consider that a terrorist in charge of the fourth largest army in the world was a threat to us? Do you think that if an army twice the size of ours invaded the US they would get to our capitol in less than 8 days? No and do you know why? Because when you fight for what you believe in amazing things can be done but when you fight only because you have to then you will fall to the weakest foe.
Hussein had WMD's they are either in Iraq or Syria maybe even on the way here but they existed.

As for you calling me lame I have one thing to say. ROFLMAO.

You cannot disarm…in that short amount of time “up to the threat of the attack last year” If he were to destroy them, we would have caught them on satellites, and the UN inspectors monitoring Iraq. The world may not “hate” us, but they have disgust for how we have handled the Iraq War. We have abused Iraqis, and we have created more enemies in doing so.

Saddam was a bad man, I’m not denying that. The fact is, as I’ve said before…many other countries have “bad” leaders. North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia…I mean hell North Korea is a huge threat. But we pay no attention to them and focus just on Iraq.

We haven’t found anything now…besides a few things, that do not account for everything Bush said he had. We are supposed to be making America safer, not less safe. Which is what this war has done…which is what will create another attack, which is what will get Bush out of office in 2004.

You honestly think this war has made us more secure? If that is the case, you are blind to the fact that Al Quidea is recruiting like mad.

Saddam was bad, I cannot stress that enough. But many other places have bad and corrupt leaders. We should focus on stopping the threat to America, not attack Saddam Hussein for being a murderer when African countries do that to their civilians daily.

Epically when we gave him the weapons to do all of these acts, and even approved of the killing of the Curds.

Ok, so I am blind, I see the threat I know the power of terrorist to subvert views of weak minded people. I dont believe that you do and I am afraid that a large number of Americans only see that terrorist are justified in targeting innocents. I am sure that the countries who fear Al Qaeda and its sub groups say loudly that we are the criminals and I am sure that a large number of countries believe what is reported by outlets such as Aljazeera.
Did Aljazeera report the story about the Iraqi businessmen who were brought here and treated to free medical care? This was prior to the prison abuse story making headlines. Did they report anything that was done by us that was positive? No and I know this becuase I read their site everyday.
But you say I am blind, when is the last time you read their site? Or maybe the last time you went to neo con site and looked it over? I go to all of them almost everyday and read their views and their opinions.
But yet you say I am blind. remember one simple thing, knowledge is power and history is the key to the future.

Originally posted by Overdose
You cannot disarm…in that short amount of time “up to the threat of the attack last year”

You said he didnt have them at all, not that he wanted to destroy them while we were in Kuwait.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
You said he didnt have them at all, not that he wanted to destroy them while we were in Kuwait.

I said you cannot disarm in a short amount of time, implying that he must of done it earlier (When the UN was in Iraq), not right before we went to war...because the threat of our War was never a threat. It was going to happen, so even if he were to destroy them, we wouldn't have believed him and attacked anyway. So he most likely would have kept them and used them. But we went into Iraq, and that has proven otherwise.

overdose, do you want to or have you ever done or said anything that might indicate that you want the US to win the war in iraq? from what I have seen you are nothing but the annoying voice in the back of the room bad mouthing everything that goes on

Originally posted by Travh20
overdose, do you want to or have you ever done or said anything that might indicate that you want the US to win the war in iraq? from what I have seen you are nothing but the annoying voice in the back of the room bad mouthing everything that goes on

Yes, Trav keep making assumptions that are indeed false. I stand by American when we are doing the right thing. This war is not right, and was not justified. With the mismanagement of this war, there is no way we can achieve all of what we wanted to.

Annoying voice? Yes, I’m annoying, get over it. I annoy the right, what can I say? It’s not a bad thing, hun.

I’m for the right thing, and this war isn’t right. What we are doing in Iraq isn’t right. So I hope we learn from this mistake. I hope we will do what we can to make our country safer, and George Bush hasn’t. George Bush is so far backwards on how to “make our country safer” it’s insane. So I’m not for this war, and I’m not going to support an Administration and their decisions when they approve Prisoner Abuse and get intelligence from a fraud.

I want us to win the war on terror, but we are indeed increasing the amount of terrorists who join Al Quidea with this war. Maybe you should ask President Bush if he is for winning the war on terror....

how many attacks has there been inthis country since 9-11?

Originally posted by Travh20
how many attacks has there been inthis country since 9-11?

How many members have grown in Al Quidea? How about Ashcroft warning us of another attack?

No attacks happened...but that does not change the fact, that the majority of Americans are STILL IN HUGE fear of another attack.

Just because an attack has not happened, does not mean we are "safer".

Originally posted by Overdose
No attacks happened...but that does not change the fact, that the majority of Americans are STILL IN HUGE fear of another attack.

Just because an attack has not happened, does not mean we are "safer".

What does people being scared have to do with anything? Lots of people are scared of flying and yet its still the safest method of travel we have.

Maybe we're safer and maybe we're not. Unfortunately there are only a few people that know for sure. Maybe we'll know 20 years from now how many plots were stopped compared to how many succeeded.

again, overdose things how you "feel"is the most important thing there is. do we "feel" safe, or are we safe? lets see, we havent been attacked, so technically we are safer. obscure, unverifiable numbers of terrorists answer nothing. tell me overdose, did we feel safe or scared before 9-11? did feeling safe before 9-11 stop the attack? no. a little fear of a real threat is not a bad thing overdose, it is the smart, adult reaction to a threat.

It’s not as simple as the fact we have not been “attacked”. We are at more risk of an attack then were before entering Iraq. Al Quidea has risen in members, and Ashcroft warned us of an attack. So in terms of the danger, we have against us, we are at a huge risk of an attack...and we are not safer for being in Iraq.

how do you know how much risk we would have been if we didnt attack iraq? thats impossible to know. you act as if we would have no risk to us if we didnt go into iraq. and you speak of the government warning us of threats like its a bad thing. I seem to remember you ripping into the adminstation for not warning us of threats before 9-11, now you use it agaisnt them as some sort of leverage to youre argument that we are not safer. I guarentee you there were enough threats we never heard about before 9-11 to scare you, its just now we are obligated to warn the people of each one of them instead of just not mentioning them as we had pre 9-11. to think that now since we attacked iraq we are in some mortal danger while if we didnt attack iraq we would be safe is wrong.

OD I am so glad that you were not alive during the height of the cold war. We faced a threat of military with over a million soldiers and enough nukes to take out most of the Earth but yet we lived on and actually had fun.

Risk nothing gain nothing.
No guts no glory.
No balls no blue chips.