What the Animals did was a crime what our soliders did was Humiliation, a big difference between a real sick crime!

If you're 26, you're still young enough to join the military. Why not go?

You are an animal too. Don't forget that. Just a bunch of naked apes we are...

Originally posted by bigboy4040
What the Animals did was a crime what our soliders did was Humiliation, a big difference between a real sick crime!

To us yes...to them...NO...

they don't play by the rules...we do...


They see his death as a good thing to god...a sacrifice..and they believe they will be rewarded for doing good...

See the twist...?

Originally posted by bigboy4040
What the Animals did was a crime what our soliders did was Humiliation, a big difference between a real sick crime!
Torture is not a crime anymore?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Torture is not a crime anymore?

Yes it is but so is kidnapping and beheading anyone. I believe that in any court in the FREE world one will get 10 years and the other will get you killed.

Originally posted by bigboy4040
What the Animals did was a crime what our soliders did was Humiliation, a big difference between a real sick crime!

"The Animals" what exactly are you referring to, the Arabs who committed the be-heading of our civilian? You really do keep the American stereotype, don't you?

Again, you jump to assumptions too quick. The most recent images, and video that the public has not seen has been described as horrific, shocking, cruel and torturous. So the humiliation that we see, is horrible. The crimes that our soldiers have committed, that we don't know about, is shocking, appalling and grotesque. So to say there is a big difference, without even seeing all of what our soldiers have done, is completely and utterly wrong.

Many other camps, prisons and torturous things have been going on in Iraq, by our soldiers that hasn’t been released. Once you see them, maybe we will all have a different opinion.

Also, just because they commit crimes, does not mean we get to right to do so. It defeats the purpose of saying torturing is wrong....

PS: A lot of new people have joined All Forums...and many are Republican:eek:

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
"The Animals" what exactly are you referring to, the Arabs who committed the be-heading of our civilian? You really do keep the American stereotype, don't you?

American sterotype? what a liberal thing to say. :) Actually animal is not far off before you call me a name let me explain. On the video there are at least 5 people holding Nick Berg captive and this does translate well to the animal world. Most animals hunt in packs, picking the weakest of the herd to feast upon.


Again, you jump to assumptions too quick. The most recent images, and video that the public has not seen has been described as horrific, shocking, cruel and torturous. So the humiliation that we see, is horrible. The crimes that our soldiers have committed, that we don't know about, is shocking, appalling and grotesque. So to say there is a big difference, without even seeing all of what our soldiers have done, is completely and utterly wrong.

Many other camps, prisons and torturous things have been going on in Iraq, by our soldiers that hasn’t been released. Once you see them, maybe we will all have a different opinion.

I am sure there are no pictures of soldiers beheading an Iraqi civilian.

Also, just because they commit crimes, does not mean we get to right to do so. It defeats the purpose of saying torturing is wrong....
Agreed

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
I am sure there are no pictures of soldiers beheading an Iraqi civilian.


You never know...because we aren't seeing everything.

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
You never know...because we aren't seeing everything. And like a typical liberal, you assume the worst of our soldiers. LMAO

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
You never know...because we aren't seeing everything.

Open your eyes and tell me what you see.

beheading someone is terrible, and is not something that should ever happen. it does not justify our soldiers treatment of Iraqi prisoners, and once again, we don't know the whole story, although I doubt the deaths we are hearing about happened this way.

It is the other way around, the abuse doesnt justify the beheading of anyone.
Please dont convict the soldiers until the cases have been before the court.

Originally posted by HaVoK
And like a typical liberal, you assume the worst of our soldiers. LMAO

What evidence do I have to go from?

Us torturing them, with dogs, and leashes? Then for our President to say these images are nothing compared to what is out there? For people who have seen the images and video that haven’t been released ,saying that they are horrific, and from many different prisons?

I assume with the evidence I have now. The evidence that says the videos and images are grotesque. What else do you expect me to believe?

Also you call me liberal as if it's a bad thing, or as if I would take it as an insult. Hence my user-name?

Liberal and Proud
:p

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
It is the other way around, the abuse doesnt justify the beheading of anyone.
Please dont convict the soldiers until the cases have been before the court.

The reason they did this act was because of our torture against them. Many don’t believe this, even most liberals. But I honestly do, for if we had not tortured them, I doubt they would have gone to extreme lengths to do this act.

Us torturing them, has proven to us, that they will only fight harder and with more force.

liberal, I really doubt this wouldn't have happened without the torture. terrorists will be terrorists, simple as that.

QUOTE]Originally posted by WhammyBar
liberal, I really doubt this wouldn't have happened without the torture. terrorists will be terrorists, simple as that. [/QUOTE]

Maybe so...

But this man’s life would have had a higher chance of survival if we hadn’t tortured them. I highly doubt they would have gone to such extreme lengths to do kidnap and do this.

I also believe, they wouldn’t have beheaded him, they would have done something less cruel. But since we have acted cruel against them, they wanted to send a big message. This message being, us torturing them, will only make them work harder to hurt us. Which is what they proved by doing this.

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
The reason they did this act was because of our torture against them. Many don’t believe this, even most liberals. But I honestly do, for if we had not tortured them, I doubt they would have gone to extreme lengths to do this act.

Us torturing them, has proven to us, that they will only fight harder and with more force.

So you would say that the majority of what you saw was torture? Not abuse?

a·buse

noun (plural a·bus·es)

1. maltreatment: the physical or psychological maltreatment of a person

or animal


2. improper use: the illegal, improper, or harmful use of something, or an

illegal, improper, or harmful practice

That describes what the pictures with the dog and the female pointing. Now I am not saying there was no torture but the following defination is a word that shouldnt be used lightly.


noun

1. inflicting of pain: the inflicting of severe physical pain on somebody, for

example, as punishment or to persuade somebody to confess or recant something.

I know that the terrorist said the beheading was in response to the abuse but that is pure B.S. . This man would have been killed whether we treated the prisoners like family or not. I hope you might take the word of someone who has actually survived a terror attack and the excuse then was that we were in Lebanon. Odd we are a predominatly Christian country and so was the Lebanese government. SO I guess the Iranian Revolutionary Guard was offended that Christians had set foot in a country that was governed by Christians. Logical dont you think?

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life

But this man’s life would have had a higher chance of survival if we hadn’t tortured them. I highly doubt they would have gone to such extreme lengths to do kidnap and do this.

I also believe, they wouldn’t have beheaded him, they would have done something less cruel. But since we have acted cruel against them, they wanted to send a big message. This message being, us torturing them, will only make them work harder to hurt us. Which is what they proved by doing this. The only thing they proved was that my opinions of them was correct. They are cowards who hope to frighten people like you because they know it doesnt take much to make you piss your pants in fright. They also know that liberals are looking for something like this to point to and blame on your own country.

It's not hard to figure out what a liberal will do in any given situation. Just try to imagine what an intelligent, caring, brave person would do. Then do the exact opposite.

You haven’t seen all the video and pictures of the torture we committed against them. Until then, don’t preach to me what torture is, because the “humiliation” we have seen; the pictures we have seen, are nothing to what is out there, that is being kept from us. So really, we have done more then you think. With more soldiers, and more harmful, and cruel things to the Iraqi POW’s. President Bush was “disgusted” by them.

So what we have done is not just “humiliation”, it is torture. It is real torture. So wait until you see all the video and pictures that are horrific, cruel and real torture.

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
You haven’t seen all the video and pictures of the torture we committed against them. Until then, don’t preach to me what torture is, because the “humiliation” we have seen; the pictures we have seen, are nothing to what is out there, that is being kept from us. So really, we have done more then you think. With more soldiers, and more harmful, and cruel things to the Iraqi POW’s. President Bush was “disgusted” by them.

So what we have done is not just “humiliation”, it is torture. It is real torture. So wait until you see all the video and pictures that are horrific, cruel and real torture.

Good God at least take the time to type your posts. Or is it that you have run out of stuff to say? Not trying to pick a fight.

Of course they were disgusted by them, did you expect any of them to say, "not bad, could have been worse."

Also dont expect to see a wide release of the pictures unless congress and the army decide that it is NOT further humiliation to show these pictures. Already getting ready to pay those abused for life. Reparations again and again.