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Pepper
05-12-2004, 01:36 PM
by David Rennie

The killing of Nick Berg, the American telephone engineer beheaded by Islamic militants in Iraq, triggered a political storm last night as the murdered man's father blamed the Bush administration for the circumstances that led to his death.

Michael Berg, an avowed opponent of the war in Iraq, said his son might still be alive if the US military had not taken him into custody for 13 days in late March.

Mr Berg said he believed that if the 26-year-old had not been detained so long he might have been able to leave the country while conditions were more stable.

Nick Berg had traveled to Iraq as a freelance telecommunications entrepreneur intending to help rebuild communications antennae, but was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul, amid confusion as to what he was doing in the area.

He was later passed to the US military, who finally freed him after his parents sued the federal government for his release on April 5. Mr Berg said his son had been held without a lawyer and was not allowed to make telephone calls.

The Berg family, from West Chester in Pennsylvania, were told of the gruesome video images of their son's killing by an Associated Press reporter yesterday afternoon.

Mr Berg's father, brother and sister collapsed in a tearful embrace in their front yard. The family already knew their son was dead. His mutilated body was found in Baghdad on Saturday.

"I knew he was decapitated before," Mr Berg said. "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public."

Mr Berg said his son had been a Bush supporter, and looked at the war "as bringing democracy to a country that didn't have it". The Bergs described their son as an idealist who had traveled before in the Third World, including Kenya and Ghana, where he had spent £500 on a brick press for an impoverished village.

Last night in a statement read by a neighbor the Bergs described their son as "a great kid" and said they were "devastated" by their loss.

Earlier they complained that federal officials had been unhelpful as they struggled to find out where their son was. They last heard from their son on April 9, when he said he was going to come home via Jordan.

Even before news broke of Mr Berg's murder Republican members of Congress and conservative media commentators, were expressing outrage at what they called the irresponsible and unpatriotic leaking of a secret military report into the abuses, and the publication of photographs of prisoner assaults.

It has already emerged that Gen Richard Myers, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, had warned CBS television that broadcasting the Abu Ghraib images might endanger the lives of soldiers and hostages.

Gen Myers succeeded in convincing CBS to hold off on broadcasting the images for two weeks, after he urged them not to inflame world opinion during the tense siege of Fallujah. The next 24 hours will tell whether public anger at the killing will swamp American soul-searching at the behavior of military reservists in Abu Ghraib.

There was already a significant slice of Middle American opinion that was impatient with talk of suffering Iraqis, arguing that the detainee abuse paled next to the attacks on US forces and hostages.

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004

The Republican
05-12-2004, 02:10 PM
Well the US has already stated that he was never in their custody, rather the custody of the Iraqi police. I am sure that is not going to make a difference.

I wonder if his father had supported this war if he would be blaming someone else for this...like the people that actually committed the crime.

HaVoK
05-12-2004, 02:21 PM
Well the father certainly has the right to blame who he wants to. It doesnt make sense to me to blame the U.S. government, but then again, i havent just lost my son to an unspeakable act by cowardly "terrorists". These people who report the news need to leave the family alone so that they can TRY to come to terms with what has happened.

Pepper
05-12-2004, 02:25 PM
In response to the republican

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040512/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_2

From the article
Coalition spokesman Dan Senor told reporters that Berg was detained by Iraqi police in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. The Iraqis informed the Americans, and the FBI questioned him three times about what he was doing in Iraq.

Senor said that to his knowledge Berg "was at no time under the jurisdiction or detention of coalition forces."

Michael Berg told The Associated Press, however, that U.S. officials were "playing word games."

"The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do. The FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do. Who do they think they're kidding?" the elder Berg said.

Imp
05-12-2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by HaVoK
Well the father certainly has the right to blame who he wants to. It doesnt make sense to me to blame the U.S. government, but then again, i havent just lost my son to an unspeakable act by cowardly "terrorists". These people who report the news need to leave the family alone so that they can TRY to come to terms with what has happened.

He knew the dangers when he went there...and he didn't HAVE to be there..he CHOOSE to go there and stay...

he was a civilian there on his own freewill...

I agree..the press needs to back off and give the family room...

The Republican
05-12-2004, 02:54 PM
Pepper,

Thanks for the link...that was the news article I was referring to and it only goes to prove my original point. Just because the FBI questioned him does not mean he was in their custody.

Beirut_Veteran
05-12-2004, 05:42 PM
And according to a just released FBI statement he was offered safe passage out of Iraq by coalition forces.

Yes he chose to be there, they family is saying that he wanted to help rebuild Iraq and that this would be good for his new business. The danger he put himself in is not an excuse for what happened but suing the U.S. is pointless as they didnt come to his house and take him there.

The reason is that they caused him to miss his scheduled flight home ( the father said) again he was offered safe passage out by the Coalition

Travh20
05-12-2004, 09:24 PM
any opportunity to shed a bad light on the military is instantly jumped on by the likes of liberals like pepper who live for stuff like this, like we are going to suddenly side with him and believe the US miltary is the ultimate evil in the univers becasue another victims family has been harrased by libereral media types to point fingers

Liberal 4 Life
05-12-2004, 09:48 PM
Just keep on blaming us, Trav. It gets old.

Beirut_Veteran
05-12-2004, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
Just keep on blaming us, Trav. It gets old.

Liberal4 What is getting old is arguing that it is NOT ok to kill people and blame it on the current headline.

If these terrorist have the balls they would put on those uniforms they wear in the training camps, grab a weapon and attack U.S. Military combatants. But they are mask wearing cowards who would never take up a rifle against our military themselves. Sure they can hold an Iraq family hostage and force the father to drive a car loaded with explosives to a check point.

I am so tired of these cowards, I wish that I was not disabled by terrorist I would attempt to go back in so I could serve my country again.

WorldwideMason
05-12-2004, 11:58 PM
The beheading was only an act of terror so alqueda could point
the finger at them self.Otherwise it was another violent act.

pna43
05-13-2004, 03:06 AM
He went on his own free will. I applaud that. BUT I wish more families who lost loved ones would come out and publicly blame Bush for putting this country in another Vietnam. And don't tell me it's not like Vietnam because that's EXACTLY what it is. They never asked us to come ''liberate'' them. We went under false pretenses and the blatant lies of Bush. This kind of ''Rah, Rah'' Blind patriotism has to end. Going over there has not changed ANYTHING. More than likely, Iraqi's don't want us there.

And let me add that Bill O'Reilly is a lying, right wing, hate spreading, scum sucking weasel.:hitout:
I ummmm...I just like saying that!

HaVoK
05-13-2004, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by pna43
He went on his own free will. I applaud that. BUT I wish more families who lost loved ones would come out and publicly blame Bush for putting this country in another Vietnam. And don't tell me it's not like Vietnam because that's EXACTLY what it is. They never asked us to come ''liberate'' them. We went under false pretenses and the blatant lies of Bush. This kind of ''Rah, Rah'' Blind patriotism has to end. Going over there has not changed ANYTHING. More than likely, Iraqi's don't want us there.

And let me add that Bill O'Reilly is a lying, right wing, hate spreading, scum sucking weasel.:hitout:
I ummmm...I just like saying that! Polly want a cracker?

pna43
05-13-2004, 04:38 AM
Ahhh yes. The intelligence of your basic Fox News watcher. Tell me something: Do you pound your pud to O'Reilly on a nightly basis or just want he's being Mr. Right Wing Agenda Guy by hiding behind his lies and distorted truths?:D

The Republican
05-13-2004, 08:42 AM
Comparing Iraq to Vietnam is not only foolish but wrong. Please, there is no similarities between the two.

And I like how every person with different views from liberals is a lier. I guess if BOR is a lier than so is Chris Matthews since they practically talk about the same things every night with differing opinions, views, and guests.

pna43
05-13-2004, 08:52 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. O'Reilly is just a bully. And he's told so many half truths it's not even funny. At least Matthews tries to be fair. O'Reilly has an Right Wing Agenda while he lies to people's faces by passing himself off as an ''everyman'' kind of guy. And ''lier'' is spelled LIAR!:rolleyes:

The Republican
05-13-2004, 08:58 AM
Congratulations, you got me. I misspelled a word while typing in haste. Thank you spelling Nazi.

And if you were a frequent watcher of BOR you would notice that he tries to get all sides of the argument on his show. This way he can get all the facts...and when he does make a mistake he admits it. Atleast BOR appologized that there were no WMD (although it was premature IMO). How many liberal hosts or anchors would do that?

Beirut_Veteran
05-13-2004, 05:31 PM
Oh now see I have to post.

Vietnam exactly the same as Iraq? In what way?

Vietnam civil war
Iraq Regime change

On that point alone they are 180 apart. But let me go further.

Vietnam we joined at the urging of the French, as a payback for Revolutionary War.

Iraq we started as an attempt to liberate, secure and eliminate terrorist.

More?

Vietnam started with us backing the South Vietnamese in their attempt to stay separate from the Communist North.

Iraq started in 1987 or should I say the prelude to hostilities with attack of the USS Stark by Iraqi planes, 37 sailors died.

I could list the differences to include military tactics and terrain all night. They are not even closely related. For those who want a rallying point it is easy to yell "another Vietnam" but maybe you all should really think before you speak. That rally hurts thousands of veterans who served there, painful memories of how they were treated on returning home.

Now lets discuss the Iraqis not wanting democracy or liberation.
First let me open with this little wise a** reply, " DOH!"

Now remember the first gulf war? The one where Hussein invade Kuwait and kidnapped thousands of Kuwaitis? And then the U.S. led a large coalition to expell him. Do you remember the comments made by the Iraqis after part 1 and at the start of part 2? The overall majority said they didnt trust us because we abandoned them the last time. They felt we didnt complete the war because Hussein was still in power. Tthese comments were made by more of the poor Iraqis than the more powerful ones. As for not wanting democracy, sure all people in the middle east want to be brutalized by dictators. (sarcasm)

Sorry if dont like my tone but I am very tired of hearing that Iraqis dont want freedom and REALLY tired of the comparison to Vietnam.