Coalition intelligence put numbers at 70% to 90% of Iraq prisoners, says a February Red Cross report, which details further abuses.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-redcross11may11,1,1022582,print.story?coll=la-news-a_sectioncom/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-redcross11may11,1,1022582,print.story?coll=la-news-a_section

Whose mistake is it? Ours or maybe that of neighbors selling out each other for the mighty dollar?

If an accusation is made in war time the person is held until an investigation has been completed. I only hope that all learn that war is not pretty and maintaining civil rights as we are used to is almost impossible to maintain while you are fighting legit military.
Now in Iraq we are faced with the legits, terrorist, mercs and those forced to be suicide bombers by threats against their families.
Mistakes happen and if I know our liberals we will pay for them in cash for the next thousand years.

In a country where every person with an AK-47 is a terrorist/thug/insurgent and every man/boy over the age of 12 has one I bet it makes for a pretty high statistic of error.

But then again we only kill civilians cause once the weapons are taken from a persons dead hands they no longer are a terrorist/thug/insurgent trying to kill Americans.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by The Republican
In a country where every person with an AK-47 is a terrorist/thug/insurgent and every man/boy over the age of 12 has one I bet it makes for a pretty high statistic of error.

But then again we only kill civilians cause once the weapons are taken from a persons dead hands they no longer are a terrorist/thug/insurgent trying to kill Americans.:rolleyes:

A fact I agree with. It is easy to be a terrorist because some people never hold you accountable, unless you are an American terrorist.

Maybe we should put our troops in civilians clothes and when they are killed yell that a non-combatant was executed by Iraqi war pigs.

I have no problem at all with 70-90% of the arrests being a mistake. Most are rounded up in the heat of conflict and sorted later (& mostly released). This is perfectly acceptable in a war situation.

Abusing them while they are being 'processed' is not acceptable.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Whose mistake is it? Ours or maybe that of neighbors selling out each other for the mighty dollar?

Where is this? What is your source. How do you know this is happening en mass to say that 70-90% of these people were turned in for this reason.

Mistakes happen and if I know our liberals we will pay for them in cash for the next thousand years.

How much is the budget deficit this year?

Your great grand children will still be paying this off this war, considering they don't expect a balanced budget for many many more years?

There is no other source than historical data, it has happened in every country occupied since the begining of recorded history. The cowards in attempt to gain favor point fingers. It happened in Germany after the war and Japan, this is knowledge I have obtained from my father who served in both occupations.


As for the cost of post war reparations, the amount we will pay will far exceed the cost of the war itself. Again these figures are easy to find, so if you are not sure I suggest that an encyclopedia should be in your future.

Everytime we occupy another country after a war it has been our duty to rebuild, feed, etc.

Originally posted by Pepper
How much is the budget deficit this year?

Your great grand children will still be paying this off this war, considering they don't expect a balanced budget for many many more years?

I would much rather my great grandchildren pay for this War on Terror than to not have any great grandchildren at all because my future ancestors die in some terror attack!

What historical data? Are you saying that 70-90% of jailed German and Japanese were there because somone falsified charges against them?

Well maybe we should stop trying to occupy other countries?

300 billion this year,
no balanced budget until 2012.

Who's going to pay?

pepper so what you are saying is that we should have let Hitler perform genocide and slowly roll up all of the world? Or maybe we could have allowed the Japanese to sail into our harbors?
Sometimes being a power in the world comes with a heavy burden, and sometimes that burden is abused but that doesnt mean we should stop trying to protect ourselves and others.

Some of the worst Nazi war criminals were smuggled out of Europe after the war, by a democratic administration.

The freedom that all Americans enjoy came at a price, if you would like to see what that cost was, visit your local VA hospital and maybe while you are there you should thank them.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
pepper so what you are saying is that we should have let Hitler perform genocide and slowly roll up all of the world? Or maybe we could have allowed the Japanese to sail into our harbors?
Sometimes being a power in the world comes with a heavy burden, and sometimes that burden is abused but that doesnt mean we should stop trying to protect ourselves and others.

Ok please stop reading imaginary posts. I never implied any of those things. Responding to a decleration of war and occupying a country on a pre-emtive military strike is something all together different.

Some of the worst Nazi war criminals were smuggled out of Europe after the war, by a democratic administration. Ok and your point is? I'm not into partisan squabble so please, lets just drop that here.

Where did these criminals go? They went to research and development, (Space program and continental ballistic missiles)they went employed by our own intelligence services. Klaus Barbie, one of those criminals employed by the U.S. also used dogs on prisoners in German occupied France.

The freedom that all Americans enjoy came at a price, if you would like to see what that cost was, visit your local VA hospital and maybe while you are there you should thank them.

Hey I'm not the one who's cutting funding to VA hospitals. I didn't want this war. These soldiers would have never been placed in this situation if Bush and Co weren't so gun ho for a war.

Originally posted by Pepper

Well maybe we should stop trying to occupy other countries?

I didnt read an imaginary post. You said it and I responded.


No most went to South America only the scientist went to research. The war criminals I speak of are the likes Mengle, not scientist who did what they were ordered.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
pepper so what you are saying is that we should have let Hitler perform genocide and slowly roll up all of the world?

Didn't say that at all.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Or maybe we could have allowed the Japanese to sail into our harbors?

Didn't say this either.

Again big difference when war is declared and a pre-emtive military strike.

And Klaus Barbie, as well as many others were working for U.S intellegence. This has been very well documented. They didn't all just go to South africa.

Nazi's were very anti communists...as well as the U.S... so the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Lets not argue over symantics, but allow me to take us back about 12 years. War was declared when Gulf War 1 started, war powers=war, so when Hussein accept the terms of the surrender he agreed to abide by them. Now if you break a surrender treaty and it is documented then the country who ceased the attack has the right to resume hostilities without further justification. So if war was declared then it must by the sheer nature of the surrender documents war when hostilities resume due to a breach.

I refered to South America and many went there, A couple went to Syria and about 100 to the heartland of this country.

And to address the fact of your statement that we should stop occupying other countries. We could not have achieved the success in 1945 without occupation.

And when I said go to the VA I wasnt just refering to this war, I was refering to all veterans still living. The majority of veterans are Vietnam Vets who were treated very poorly by liberals who had a beef with the administration. This brings us full circle to why I am so strongly oppossed to calling these soldiers guilty before the facts are all out.

Anyone remember Lt. Calley?