http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5109073

26 years old - they cut his head off with a knife and then held it up for the camera.

They said it was payback for the prison abuse.

I hope those soldiers understand how much blood is on their hands.

Well that's logical.
:rolleyes:

Drew I have to disagree with you on blood on the soldiers hands. This blood is squarely on the hands of those masked cowards. This beheading would have happened whether the prison abuse scandal had made the world news. These terrorist are not Iraqi civilians, nor is this a resonable response to what happened in the prison.

The world yelled foul when the prison scandal hit the press but yet not many have raised a voice in response to the beheading of an innocent non-combatant. Where is the global outcry at the act of the terrorist.

God Speed Nick Berg

I think if the Iraqi resistance types had done this you'd have a point Drew, but I suspect these Al Quaida jerks would've killed the poor guy anyway. The prison abuse was just a handy excuse.

The world yelled foul when the prison scandal hit the press but yet not many have raised a voice in response to the beheading of an innocent non-combatant. Where is the global outcry at the act of the terrorist.
That news report hit news at 4:20 today. And Reuters is usually first, 2 hours is not quite enough time for people to start an outcry. Especially not when most are still working. I have no doubt that we will have this pounded into our heads constantly by our current governing party. They need a respite from the horrors that have occured on their side.

I have been watching this story since it hit Fox News before 1pm Eastern time. More than enough time for press releases. But where was the outcry for the four shot, burned, dragged through the streets and the hung? That has been long enough for an outcry.

Originally posted by DrewM
26 years old - they cut his head off with a knife and then held it up for the camera.

They said it was payback for the prison abuse.

I hope those soldiers understand how much blood is on their hands. Was it our troops fault that almost the exact same thing happened to Daniel Pearl? Get your head out of your ass and put the blame where it should rest. Squarely atop the shoulders of the garbage who commited these atrocities.

Im so sick of people blaming bullshit like this on the american soldier. A couple of them fucked up, so what? Punish them and get it over with. It's not like the other side isnt doing it. Where is your outrage for our boys and girls who have been abused while in captivity?

I have a way to stop our soldiers from abusing prisoners. Everytime one of these jacka**es comes towards our men or women plant a bullet, instead of capture, there problem solved. No prisoners, no abuse, and sooner or later they will run out of people.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Was it our troops fault that almost the exact same thing happened to Daniel Pearl? Get your head out of your ass and put the blame where it should rest. Squarely atop the shoulders of the garbage who commited these atrocities.

Im so sick of people blaming bullshit like this on the american soldier. A couple of them fucked up, so what? Punish them and get it over with. It's not like the other side isnt doing it. Where is your outrage for our boys and girls who have been abused while in captivity?

The asshole american gi's that tortured the iraq's ARE the cause of Nick Berg's death...and I agree with Mr. D...his blood IS on their hands...like it or not...


Maybe fair play would be to drop their asses off to the ones who killed Nick B...and let then 'punish' them...fair enough eh...?

I agree that the blame is on the heads of the people that did this to the US civilian.

It's also correct that they probably would have killed him anyway - although they have had him for over a month and didn't kill him up until now.

The guy claiming to be killer - the CIA say the voice is not his, so chances are these are Iraqi's

The prison abuses will certainly add fuel to the fire, encourage more of these activities, this event will encourage others to claim 'revenge'

The fact that the revenge is not at all justified is beside the point - US soldiers - not just a handful as stated above - have given these monsters an ability to kill people and take advantage of a wave of revulsion across the world.

The arabs face humiliation after humiliation (in their eyes) - we've poured lighter fluid on the fire that was already burning well - and these soldiers actions will result in additional needless deaths.

Havok - what on earth has Daniel Pearl go to do with it?

So if I put a leash on someone and humiliated them they should be allowed to behead me? By even the laws of physics and action brings an EQUAL reaction, that is logical.
This beheading would have happened whether the prison scandal happened or not. They would have used our attack on Karbula or Najif.
Does anyone remember what Bin Ladens reason for 9/11 was?

He said because Americans were on Islam Holy ground. If we react they way they do, maybe we should, then our excuse for the prison scandal was an unequal reaction to the slaughter of innocent lives at the hands of terrorist everywhere. Maybe I could yell it was a reaction to the death of 241 Americans in Beirut in 1983.

And why would a member of Al Queda take revenge for the Iraqis. Remember one reason we went into Iraq was the connection between HUssien and Bin Laden but the world cried it wasnt true, so now we have proof that we were right and this war is just!!!

Sorry to rant but I feel very strongly about justice and beheading in retaliation to humiliation is not justice.

I agree - nobody is saying it was fair justice, or even plain justice.

Whether it was justice or not (clearly it wasn't) is not so relevant. The relevant point is reality on the ground. The prison incident will lead to more deaths - so therefore it is fair to say that those soldiers had a direct impact on innocent deaths. These killers are using the prison incident to incite violence in the name of justice - even if their justice doesn't hold water.

No question that this isn't any form of justice. The only relevant justice is the court martial process.

[Originally posted by HaVoK
Was it our troops fault that almost the exact same thing happened to Daniel Pearl? Get your head out of your ass and put the blame where it should rest. Squarely atop the shoulders of the garbage who commited these atrocities.

If they didn’t want to do it, or to blame the top officials, why were they smiling? That seems very, very ironic.

[Originally posted by HaVoK
Im so sick of people blaming bullshit like this on the american soldier. A couple of them fucked up, so what? Punish them and get it over with. It's not like the other side isnt doing it. Where is your outrage for our boys and girls who have been abused while in captivity?

A couple? The photos we have seen have been from two different prisons. We haven’t even seen all the horrible, cruel and torturous video and images to date. For all we know it could of been happening all over, with many soldiers. To make assumptions, without all the video and images is wrong. Learn to pay attention.

Perception is always distorted from culture to culture, even in this country. But in your theory of bloody hands wouldnt the press also have a few stains as well? The soldiers havent been convicted yet so the blood can not be on their hands yet.

I served in Lebanon for almost a year in 1983 and saw things that would cause many over here to cry out, but there it was a part of life and created as much of a stir as a man arrested for DUI does over here.

I guess I can sum this up, if we place the blood on the soldiers hand then we relieve the cowards of any responsibility. It reminds me of the jury that acquitted the Reginald Denny attackers by saying they were not guilty by reason of mob mentality.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Sorry to rant but I feel very strongly about justice and beheading in retaliation to humiliation is not justice.

All the video, and images aren’t released. Rumsfield said they are the worse yet and horrific and way worse then what we have seen. So really, you do not know what is out there. People who have seen it, say it is not humiliation it is real torture. Don’t make assumptions.

The reason they did this, was because of the torture we did against them. Again, to justify our torture because they would torture us, is only making them commit larger, and more deadly attacks against our POW’s. Yes, they may have done this anyway, but they did it or so they say because of our abuse against them. So if we had not abused them, this maybe would have never happened.

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
[B]

If they didn’t want to do it, or to blame the top officials, why were they smiling? That seems very, very ironic.


Some of the defense attorneys are saying that the pics were staged to be used by intelligence officers to interrogate others. So if that is the case the smiles would be acting. Still doesnt take the blame from them but might explain how they could have appeared to be enjoying it.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Some of the defense attorneys are saying that the pics were staged to be used by intelligence officers to interrogate others. So if that is the case the smiles would be acting. Still doesnt take the blame from them but might explain how they could have appeared to be enjoying it.

right :o

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
right :o

I didnt say it was true, but it cant be discounted either until all has been heard.
If we judge without hearing all sides then we have lost what makes us America.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
I didnt say it was true, but it cant be discounted either until all has been heard.
If we judge without hearing all sides then we have lost what makes us America.


No, it’s an argument I don’t believe. I’m not mad at you for presenting it, I just find it hard to believe, and just, well, BS.

I accept that you dont believe it, I dont know what to think about the stories flying around like berets in a tornado. But I do know that if we are to be true to the justice system in America then we have to put aside our opinions until the evidence has been heard.

I am not mad at you for your opinion, I dont get mad over good spirited discussions, I live for them :)

it wasnt suprising to see the liberals jump on the al qeada band wagon, again. everytime they say something it like its the word god. if al qeada says it was for revenge for the panties on the head then it must be so. like if the panties thing never happned not another american would be killed, now every soldier that dies it will be "see, its retribution, we done fucked up now, please forgive us", its a sad dispicaple scene we are witnessing from the left. its all political. every soldier that dies, every "attrocity" our soldiers commit, every kidnapped american decapitated is a notch in the belt of the left against george bush, and nothing more. feigned outrage and shock are transparent.

Originally posted by Travh20
it wasnt suprising to see the liberals jump on the al qeada band wagon, again. everytime they say something it like its the word god. if al qeada says it was for revenge for the panties on the head then it must be so. like if the panties thing never happned not another american would be killed, now every soldier that dies it will be "see, its retribution.


I agree with you totally on this point. I am waiting for the media or someone to start saying that this man was killed by the CIA at Bush's orders to take the heat off of the abuse.

Sorry but after I heard that people thought Bush allowed 9/11 to happen so he could start a war with Hussien to avenge the attempt on his Dads life, I wouldnt doubt that is coming next.

I think the terrorists that killed Berg were simply looking for a reason to kill him to create a headline and to send a message. Their goal is to try and drive the wedge between those supporting the war and those against it further. While these people may be heathens they do have some intelligence and have learned from the American reaction to Vietnam. They strongly feel that Americans are just a paper tiger and that inflicting enough casualties will make us cut tail and run...just like Somalia.

The only thing these people respond to and understand is force, brute force. They do not respect the rule of law or humanity itself. While we must be forcefull in dealing with these thugs we cannot do it in a manner that is degrading and inhumane. We already have the cards stacked against us in this war in regards to the number of people inside and outside of our country that want Our President and this war to fail. We cannot let this battle of good vs evil turn into the battle of evil vs eviler (if that is even a word).

Should be in tomorrow's news. Seems the parents of Berg are blaming Bush for his death. He was arrested by the US military and held without charges....and the released. That was the last the family heard from him.....until the photos. Something is fishy here. I trust NOTHING this administration does. NOTHING. Watch for more details.

I am sure all the liberal media types were beating down their door hoping for something like that

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life


A couple? The photos we have seen have been from two different prisons. We haven’t even seen all the horrible, cruel and torturous video and images to date. For all we know it could of been happening all over, with many soldiers. To make assumptions, without all the video and images is wrong. Learn to pay attention. Hey numbnutz, I dont give a rats ass if 200 U.S. soldiers are involved. Punish each and every one who has participated in this activity.

I think its rather odd how most liberals seem to find all life valuable unless its a fellow american. If we had video of American soldiers beheading an Iraqi citizen, i know you would all line up like the good little conscientious objectors you all are to protest the horror. But why is the focus on an American action in this case? The fact is, this is just ANOTHER example of how these inferior people from the middle east put no value on non-muslim lives. And you fools are fanning the flames and falling right in line with their plans.


*Note: Not all liberal views or liberals are bad. This country does need different views on most issues and liberals provide that. However there are a LOT of liberals these days that simply use any negative activity as a reason to bash anything American. You all know they type im speaking of and we have quite a few of them here on this board. I am speaking directly to these idiots. You know who you are. And if you dont, PM me and ill tell you if you've made my list.

He was detained by the Iraqi police, not the military according to Fox but it is still early. His presence in Iraq came into question as he had lost his contract. But I dont belive that we can that line yet. We need evidence as to why he was detained. I could speculate that he was CIA and that is why he was captured but there is no evidence so I stress that we need to wait and see.

I posted in another thread that I am waiting for the accusations that the CIA killed him in a wag the dog action.

It appears that I may not have to wait very long after all. It is sad that we are so guilty for being who we are that we have to flog ourselves in front of the world. Come on hold our heads up and be proud that we have done good as well.

I was a teen during Vietnam and was sickened by the treatment the soldiers got coming home, these men and women have served proudly and in this case voluntarily. Now the people in the scandal may be exceptions to this statement but they may not be. SO dont forget that an American was BEHEADED in response to abuse, non lethal torture or maybe just humiliation. Instead of blaming politics of our leaders blame the men who held Nick Berg while another sawed his head from his body.

Couple of questions ...

Did they say when it happened? The parents say they hadn't heard from him since April 9th.
Cripes, that's a month ago.

Why the orange jump suit? Is that what he was wearing when released from the american prison? Cutting him loose in that thing is like putting a sign on his back.

I haven't seen the video so for those who have -- anything noticable that didn't look right? Maybe the date/time stamp wasn't consistant or maybe the guy that cut his head off had on a black hood and seconds later had on a white hood. And why the hoods to begin with? Is that Al-Queda's modus operandi?

How about the close up of the perps hand -- did the skin tone look consistent with what an arab hand should look like?

Has anyone veified this video yet beyond just speculation? Has anyone openly taken credit for it?

I'm not suggesting a conspiracy -- just trying to get the facts.

Dop

Here's a copy of what is being posted at news sites. This one is from CLG.

Oddities surrounding the execution of Nick Berg: Berg was a prisoner of the U.S. military in Iraq. West Chester contractor missing in Iraq (May. 08, 2004, Associated Press) Nick Berg, 26, owned a business called Prometheus Methods Tower Service Inc. He first went to Iraq on Dec. 21. He stayed until Feb. 1, making contact with a company that indicated there would likely be work for him later. But he returned on March 14 and there was no work, so he began traveling. He usually called home once a day and e-mailed several times; Michael Berg is his business manager, and they needed to stay in touch... When FBI agents arrived at the Berg's West Chester home on March 31, they were relieved to know their son was alive, but in jail. The agents questioned them about various details that only they and their son would know about. Jerri Williams, spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, said the agency was "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq." On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military in Iraq. The next day, April 6, Nick Berg was released. Nick Berg said he would come home through Jordan, Turkey or Kuwait... The Bergs have hounded the State Department, the FBI and the International Committee of the Red Cross, seeking information. Michael Berg said the State Department sent an official to Nick Berg's hotel, where an employee told the official they had not heard of him. [Question: In the video where Nick Berg is beheaded, why is he wearing an orange jumpsuit, as US prisoners wear? -observation/news item submitted by CLG reader Johnny Asia]

Berg interrogated by FBI for two weeks (May 7, 2004 5:27 pm US/Eastern) Among those missing in Iraq is a West Chester, Pa. man who went there on his own in March to inspect damaged radio towers... 26-year-old Nick Berg didn't sign a privacy waiver when he went over there. And even though the State Department is using its one person in Iraq to help track him down, they can't tell anyone, including Berg's parents what's going on. Nick last checked in April 9th, saying he was trying to find a safe way home following two weeks of FBI interrogation, after an arrest in Mosul. He was released after his identity and intentions were confirmed.

Nicks body was found on Saturday so establishing when shouldnt take to long. The CIA is analyzing the video. The website said it was AL Qaeda but no one knows yet. The video is clearly edited after the finish the anti american speech that allows them to behead a non combatant (like cowards do) it jumps to Nick in a chair and then they knock him to the floor and hold him down and begin to saw his head off.
No matter how many people try to convince me this is not an act only because of the prison scandal it was easy to link, easier to split public opinion. What are they going to do next, now that we have attacked Sadr's militia in Karbula and destroyed a local Mosque

Well..............Liberals I guess you are happy now.This should give you all enough reason to CRY EVEN LOUDER.....Please if you just stand up.........Take a stand for what is right to begin with
you would not feel like you were having your hand slapped so much.

Thanks Skipper and B_V for the info.

This is a sad sad time -- I wish there were words to express to the parents to help with the pain and grief they must be feeling but at times like this, maybe it's best to just send a prayer.

One thing for sure -- we can't allow ourselves to get in a tit-for-tat situation where we keep torturnig prisoners and they keep whacking americans. Cool heads and sensible attitudes are in order here. Let's hope all concerned handle this right.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing

This is a sad sad time -- I wish there were words to express to the parents to help with the pain and grief they must be feeling but at times like this, maybe it's best to just send a prayer.

One thing for sure -- we can't allow ourselves to get in a tit-for-tat situation where we keep torturnig prisoners and they keep whacking americans. Cool heads and sensible attitudes are in order here. Let's hope all concerned handle this right.


I agree with you on this. But I will venture out onto that proverbial limb and say that more non-combatants will be executed and the excuse will be the same. Maybe not the abuse but it will be "America is evil and even though we are cutting off this head we are on the side of good." then as usual they will commit Blasphemy and say that they do this for GOD.

Originally posted by Imp
The asshole american gi's that tortured the iraq's ARE the cause of Nick Berg's death...and I agree with Mr. D...his blood IS on their hands...like it or not...


Maybe fair play would be to drop their asses off to the ones who killed Nick B...and let then 'punish' them...fair enough eh...? Read this if you can seperate your lips from Drew's ass for a second.

I dont think allowing terrorists to behead these kids would be a very fair punishment for what they did. I believe that ultimately all of the people who mistreated the detainees will pay a very high price for what they have done. But i cannot believe you are in favor of execution for these kids. You probably wouldnt even favor executing convicted murderers here in the States but you want our soldiers to be handed over to terrorists for beheading because they humiliated muslims in captivity? You think that is "fair enough"?:rolleyes:


*Note: I downloaded the video of what those pieces of shit did to Nicholas, and let me tell you this. Anyone who would propose that we allow our soldiers to die in this manner is as big a piece of shit as the piss poor excuses of humanity who cut his head off. I suggest any of you idiots who want to propose we allow something like this to happen to another American look at the video before you run your mouths off again.

I thought about watching the video - then decided against watching it. It is absolutely a terrible situation for his family - they must be going through the worst anguish imaginable, made worse by the knowledge that there is a video floating around the world being watched - showing their sons horrific murder.

I don't think our soldiers should be given any unjust punishment for the abuses. A year or two in jail sounds reasonable - at the max. The issue is more the Pentagon and how this was allowed to happen & why they ignored the info that it was going on. It annoys me that Bush is saying Rummy is superb! - at the very least he should keep his mouth shut for a while when it comes to praising Rummy. What kind of moron is Bush to be rubbing salt in the wounds like that? - It's also politically shortsighted - what if new photos keep on coming out, more damaging testimony is heard? - Bush will have to back track. He is digging himself in a hole by having Rummy sit on his knee thru all this.

It actually is a good point made by Havok that there are a lot of people wanting blood when it comes to these soldiers, but they would be firmly against the death penalty when the issue is not emotive.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Read this if you can seperate your lips from Drew's ass for a second.

Stop putting YOUR fantasys on me...


besides...since when does simply argeeing with someone make them an ass kisser..?

With all due respect to Mr. D...yes..he is a God here..but I am a God elsewhere..so we are equal and I see no need whatsoever to 'kiss his ass' as you say...

Now..pull your panties out of your ass...and lets get back to this discussion...



Originally posted by HaVoK
I dont think allowing terrorists to behead these kids would be a very fair punishment for what they did. I believe that ultimately all of the people who mistreated the detainees will pay a very high price for what they have done. But i cannot believe you are in favor of execution for these kids. You probably wouldnt even favor executing convicted murderers here in the States but you want our soldiers to be handed over to terrorists for beheading because they humiliated muslims in captivity? You think that is "fair enough"?:rolleyes:

Ok..I'll give you that I take things to the extreme..can't help it...and I really don't feel we should hand them over to be beheaded..BUT

What I said was..these 'kids' who mistreated the detainees..THEY are responsible for this ball of wax--the killing of Nick B...so they should be held accountable for his death..and any more deaths that may come from their actions..
What has happened is a direct result of their actions..and yes I agree with you..*not kissing your ass*:rolleyes: that their actions don't hold a candle to what those barbaric asswipes did in comparision..
Nevertheless..if they had conducted themselfs as representatives of the US military and had never had done what they did...I am pretty safe to say that Nick B. would be alive and we wouldn't be here talking about this...

They opened a can of worms...they are adults and are accountable for their own actions...they knew what they were doing at the time...and still went ahead with it...
Therefore I think they should be charged with Nick B. murder also...





*Note: I downloaded the video of what those pieces of shit did to Nicholas, and let me tell you this. Anyone who would propose that we allow our soldiers to die in this manner is as big a piece of shit as the piss poor excuses of humanity who cut his head off. I suggest any of you idiots who want to propose we allow something like this to happen to another American look at the video before you run your mouths off again.

I seen the video..even thought about posting the link here...but didn't because it is graphic and I didn't want to expose any young posters here to it...

In a perfect world..these things would never happen...

we shouldn't allow it to happen to another American OR any other human being for that matter...

I am concerned by Imp's rush to judge the American soldiers but then absolving the hooded terrorist from sawing the head off of a non-combatant.

Once again I would be the first to speak out against those in the pictures once we have heard all the evidence and a JURY has found them guilty.

As for Drew being a god, well I am no sure if I am ready to say that yet or not. :)

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
I am concerned by Imp's rush to judge the American soldiers but then absolving the hooded terrorist from sawing the head off of a non-combatant.

Once again I would be the first to speak out against those in the pictures once we have heard all the evidence and a JURY has found them guilty.

As for Drew being a god, well I am no sure if I am ready to say that yet or not. :)

O..don't get me wrong...I'd love to see the hooded terrorist's ripped limb to limb and hung out to dry..oops...guess that will make me a jerk now..O well...

and time will tell on the american soldiers..but it's looking like they are guilty..
either way it is because of the photos out of what they did..that made the hooded assholes do what they did..

Admin=God..:D

The beheading of Mr. Berg was a barbaric act, perpetrated by criminals.

Posted by Beirut-SO dont forget that an American was BEHEADED in response to abuse, non lethal torture or maybe just humiliation. Instead of blaming politics of our leaders blame the men who held Nick Berg while another sawed his head from his body.

Good point. I think it's pointless and dishonest to blame anyone but the guy with the knife, for Berg's beheading.

I don't presume to know what their motive was in beheading him, but it seems calculated to inflame emotions and perpetuate the fighting in Iraq.

Posted by HaVokI think its rather odd how most liberals seem to find all life valuable unless its a fellow american. If we had video of American soldiers beheading an Iraqi citizen, i know you would all line up like the good little conscientious objectors you all are to protest the horror. But why is the focus on an American action in this case? The fact is, this is just ANOTHER example of how these inferior people from the middle east put no value on non-muslim lives. And you fools are fanning the flames and falling right in line with their plans.

I find it odd that you think most liberals value American lives less than the lives of other people

You've brought up the point that you are outraged at "liberals" who seemingly protest the abuse of Iraqi prisoners more than they protest the execution of an American. I agree, we liberals do protest the actions of Americans more than we protest actions against Americans. I find the actions of Mr. Berg's killers reprehensible in the extreme, but I don't protest them because there would be no point in protesting. His killers were criminals, and it would make no sense to protest their actions, any more than it would to protest being robbed on the street. These people need to be hunted down.

Posted by WWMasonWell..............Liberals I guess you are happy now.This should give you all enough reason to CRY EVEN LOUDER.....Please if you just stand up.........Take a stand for what is right to begin with
you would not feel like you were having your hand slapped so much.

Welcome to Allforums- now bite me...

Yes, we liberals are happy about brutal murders, especially if they help us promote our "liberal agenda"...:rolleyes:

This man was killed by radical, disturbed, and sick people. I am not even sure I should call them people. I feel for his family. The soliders are not to blame. Many were killed and tourtured at these captors hands long before those photos. I am upset by this, who next? They have gone from soliders to civis, I wonder where they go next to cut up and drag and burn people for thier "purpose".

Strange stuff going down.

White house is claiming the beheading is not connected to the prison abuse -- HUH? -- yesterday it was payback and today it's not? I thought Kerry was the flip-flopper? LMAO.

Also, white house claiming that Berg was never taken into custody and held as reported. Of course, they can't explain why the Berg's filed suit and they answered that suit. More LMAO.

Still reserving judgement on this one. It's pretty wierd.

Dop

Not to be sick or morbid, but anyone know where to find this video unedited??

I choose not to view the complete video.

War is Hell!

Let us not be distracted by the fact that our way of life is hated by some. These persons will stop at nothing to stack the deck against us. They cannot defeat us in open battle therefore they battle behind masks and underground.

Support our soldiers as long as they are in harms way.

Some of these bastards would like to cut off all our heads. They hate you and I.
We must get them first by any means at our disposal.

Originally posted by Imp

and time will tell on the american soldiers..but it's looking like they are guilty..
either way it is because of the photos out of what they did..that made the hooded assholes do what they did..

Who cares what their reasons are/were? Nothing in this world can justify what those terrorists did to Nicholas. So you assigning blame on americans in connection with his beheading makes very little sense to me.

If i were to smack you in the face and pull your panties down, does that give you the right to cut someone's head off? And if you did cut someone's head off after i did this, would that make me responsible for your actions? What kind of logic is this?

see, first of all, i hated seeing what happened to that poor guy....now, if we hadnt been over there in the first place, it wouldnt have happened...this blood is on the hands of bush and his whole supporting cast.....the guys that bombed the twin towers were ...SAUDI !!!!!, not iraqi. what would you do if all of a sudden some country overwhelmed you and your people with war, you would find a way to fight back...thats what ! alot of countries have dictators that are a little or a lot ruthless, but we went to WAR !!! on a lie, and this is the direct result........sorry. that person, and all of our soldiers are innocent because we SHOULDNT be there.....we should have been solely looking for osama.......in afghanistan !!! hussein was only guilty of being a dictator.....thats it !! oh, and having oil ! then bush, after the wmd's failed, said that we were over there to save the iraqi people.......poll......after the 911 bombing, how many of you actually cared about what happened to IRAQI'S ??? !!!........LIE, LIE, LIE......how many people did bush kill in the state of texas, about the same as hussein......justice is justice, no matter what country...!! sorry

Originally posted by korg
see, first of all, i hated seeing what happened to that poor guy....now, if we hadnt been over there in the first place, it wouldnt have happened...this blood is on the hands of bush and his whole supporting cast.....the guys that bombed the twin towers were ...SAUDI !!!!!, not iraqi. what would you do if all of a sudden some country overwhelmed you and your people with war, you would find a way to fight back...thats what ! alot of countries have dictators that are a little or a lot ruthless, but we went to WAR !!! on a lie, and this is the direct result........sorry. that person, and all of our soldiers are innocent because we SHOULDNT be there.....we should have been solely looking for osama.......in afghanistan !!! hussein was only guilty of being a dictator.....thats it !! oh, and having oil ! then bush, after the wmd's failed, said that we were over there to save the iraqi people.......poll......after the 911 bombing, how many of you actually cared about what happened to IRAQI'S ??? !!!........LIE, LIE, LIE......how many people did bush kill in the state of texas, about the same as hussein......justice is justice, no matter what country...!! sorry I dont give a fuck about the politics of this. Get that in your head. Some things are better off not being politicized and this is one of them. I dont care what the reasons were behind the beheading. I dont care what your "opinion" of why it happened is. The point is, a man had his fucking head cut from his body. He was aware of it as it was happening. Can you clowns not empathize with this? Is this society so numb to reality? I mean, no one forced the knife into the "terrorists" hands. No one forced the "terrorist" to cut this mans head from his body. Yet you clowns want to assign blame to everyone but the "terrorists" who commited this atrocity. WTF???

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havok, i dont give a damn what your opinion is!!!i am not insensitive to what happen to that guy, i think its disgusting. i was responding to the tread....f@$k you. no ones head should be cut off, but people like you think that it should only happen to the OTHER guys......well, like everyone says......this is war, and its not where we should be, but this along with all deaths are a direct result.....get your head out of your ass........

Originally posted by korg
LIE, LIE, LIE......how many people did bush kill in the state of texas, about the same as hussein......

You are correct that you are lying in your implication that the same amount of convicted murderers put to death in Texas under then Governor Bush is the same as the hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of innocent people Saddam had killed on a regular basis.

While I respect your right to disagree with President Bush to do so by blatantly lying is pure propaganda and makes me not want to give credence to any of your arguments.

Originally posted by korg
havok, i dont give a damn what your opinion is!!!i am not insensitive to what happen to that guy, i think its disgusting. i was responding to the tread....f@$k you. no ones head should be cut off, but people like you think that it should only happen to the OTHER guys......well, like everyone says......this is war, and its not where we should be, but this along with all deaths are a direct result.....get your head out of your ass........ If you could. show me where an american had beheaded an iraqi civilian on film. Show me where i said this should happen to ANYONE. You make assumptions about a lot of things. But its typical of todays mentality. Everyone is blinded by their own personal hatreds, whatever they may be. One of yours seems to be hatred of the current leadership of this country. However, this is not a political thread. There is a political forum if you want to talk politics.

HAVOK......I DONT CARE ABOUT POLITICS, I JUST WANT WHOEVER IS IN OFFICE , TO BE HONEST.....I DONT CARE WHO'S IN OFFICE, THERE ARE REPUBS, I LIKE AND DONT LIKE, SAME AS THE WIMPY DEMS......AND I HAVE NORMALLY BEEN A DEM, BUT THEY ARE WIMPS...........SO YOUR WRONG !!!

Originally posted by HaVoK
Who cares what their reasons are/were? Nothing in this world can justify what those terrorists did to Nicholas. So you assigning blame on americans in connection with his beheading makes very little sense to me.

If i were to smack you in the face and pull your panties down, does that give you the right to cut someone's head off? And if you did cut someone's head off after i did this, would that make me responsible for your actions? What kind of logic is this?


Dude...stop talking to me now...

If you can't hear what I am saying to you..or better yet... understand it..then fuck off...

I am in NO way comparing one act to the other...

I didn't say it gave them the right to behead or harm ANYONE...

What I am saying is this....IF THE AMERICAN GI'S HAD NEVER MISTREATED THE PRISONERS.....THEN CHANCES ARE HE WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN BEHEADED....

DO YOU UNDERSTAND...? 1+1=2...ok...?




Now...

I have NO doubt they would have killed innocents of ours anyway for whatever reasons or excuses they want to use...but our very own soldiers GAVE them a reason/excuse to do it...

Originally posted by HaVoK
I dont give a fuck about the politics of this. Get that in your head. Some things are better off not being politicized and this is one of them. I dont care what the reasons were behind the beheading.

I care..because if we know what caused it...we can stop it from happening again...maybe...






I dont care what your "opinion" of why it happened is. The point is, a man had his fucking head cut from his body. He was aware of it as it was happening. Can you clowns not empathize with this? Is this society so numb to reality? I mean, no one forced the knife into the "terrorists" hands. No one forced the "terrorist" to cut this mans head from his body. Yet you clowns want to assign blame to everyone but the "terrorists" who commited this atrocity. WTF???

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The five men in the video ARE guilty...their hands were pushed forward faster because of americans mistreatment to prisoners...

I am not numb to reality...and I am empathetic for Nick B..and his family and their loss...
Since I have seen the video..and when I think of it...I get very ill to my stomach and throw up...I haven't eaten since I seen it yesterday...it bothers me THAT much...

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing


White house is claiming the beheading is not connected to the prison abuse -- HUH? -- yesterday it was payback and today it's not? I thought Kerry was the flip-flopper? LMAO.


The White House said today that it is not justified retribution for the prisoner abuse.

Also, white house claiming that Berg was never taken into custody and held as reported. Of course, they can't explain why the Berg's filed suit and they answered that suit. More LMAO.

They said he was not in Coalition custody, he was detained by the Iraqi police and WAS questioned by the FBI. In a statement just released during his interview he was strongly urged to allow the coalition to arrainge his safe passage home and he TURNED it down.

It is sad that Nick Berg died in anyway much less in this horrifing manner. But he entered Iraq freely, he had to know going in that it is a war zone and full of terrorist. And most of the Arab world assumes if your name even sounds slighly Jewish then you must be. So I would say he was held until a scandal surfaced or maybe an attack on the Karbala mosque.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran


The White House said today that it is not justified retribution for the prisoner abuse.


They said he was not in Coalition custody, he was detained by the Iraqi police and WAS questioned by the FBI. In a statement just released during his interview he was strongly urged to allow the coalition to arrainge his safe passage home and he TURNED it down.

It is sad that Nick Berg died in anyway much less in this horrifing manner. But he entered Iraq freely, he had to know going in that it is a war zone and full of terrorist. And most of the Arab world assumes if your name even sounds slighly Jewish then you must be. So I would say he was held until a scandal surfaced or maybe an attack on the Karbala mosque. [/B]

B_V

I agree. These terrorists that killed Nick Berg were merely waiting for an opportune moment to kill him and grab a headline.

Anyone see how Hezbolah condemned Berg's beheading. Talk about pot-kettle-black.