http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0510042icrc1.html

This indicates that it is not a few rogue soldiers - but a sanctioned typical level of abuse.

Whoever sanctioned this behavior needs to face a war crimes trial.

Between the ICRC report and the Tagabu report -- it's pretty clear what happened.

Speaking of Tagabu -- he's in front of the Senate armed services committee this morning and I'm picking up bits and pieces of it from friends that are watching it.

Apparently, there is an omission that photos exist of an Iraqui woman having sex with an american soldier. Notice they call it sex and not rape. LMAO. This woman needs to ask for protective assyum in the US and file the mother of all law suits against not only the military but the individual soldier -- IOW -- mess up that's soldier's life the same as he messed up her's. She will not be able to return to her family. More than likely a male member of her family will perform a honor killing to restore honor to the family.

The hearings so far in general, are no more than a white wash of what happened as an effort to save rummy and bush with 2 conclusions easy to draw:

1) There were a grand total of 7 soldiers involved and that's all there is to it -- prosecute them and move on.

2) It's Clenis fault (clinton's penis) I was wondering how long it would take to get around to this old stand-by. Remember your ABC's -- Always Blame Clinton. I'm sure it's clinton's fault that adult soldiers don't know that beating, raping and murder are against the law -- regardless of where it happens. ROTFLMAO.

They, meaning everyone, still don't know who was or is in charge over there in the prison. This simply amazes me. WTF??? The biggest investigation since Watergate and they still can't find out who the hell is running the show, even after having a week to do so?

Bottom line: Complete whitewash just like the 911 commission.

Dop

"The army officer who first investigated prisoner abuse in an Iraqi prison today told the US Congress the mistreatment resulted from a "lack of discipline, no training whatsoever and no supervision"."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1214407,00.html

As suspected

1) There were a grand total of 7 soldiers involved and that's all there is to it -- prosecute them and move on. Surely you're not serious?? ALL of them should be prosecuted...right up to the top rung of the ladder. Especially Janis Karpinski.

Cricket -- They may have included Karpinsky in the count -- not sure cause I'm getting bits and pieces of this.

Anyway, I doubt she will get more than a reprimand and at best she will be Calley'ed.

Everyone knows brigadier doesn't set policy in the Army so they need to go higher than Karpinski.

Dop

someone needs to take a serious look at how our military is being run. this was obviosuly authorized from the top, and that' just not acceptable.

forget about the beheading, back to the panties on the head!

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing




Apparently, there is an omission that photos exist of an Iraqui woman having sex with an american soldier. Notice they call it sex and not rape. LMAO. This woman needs to ask for protective assyum in the US and file the mother of all law suits against not only the military but the individual soldier -- IOW -- mess up that's soldier's life the same as he messed up her's. She will not be able to return to her family. More than likely a male member of her family will perform a honor killing to restore honor to the family.




Did she say she was raped? If we havent seen the video how can you pass judgement? I believe that if you commit the crime you will be prosecuted no matter who you are.
But I am worried that these soldiers who havent had their right to due process are being judged guilty here.
I am in no way a person who would condone any such actions but being that I have served to defend the right to a fair trial I find their treatment in the press and on the web offensive.
Now I will lead the convoy to take the guilty to jail after a jury has decided their fate.

They will be found guilty no doubt - you can bet Rummy isn't going to be on trial in their place and the country wants resolution that the bad guys got their reward.

I hope the Senate does some real digging to find out the true root causes, because the root cause is not that there were some bad apples in the mix. These soldiers did wrong and should be punished - but within reason. People want their head on a stick - yet if this happened at San Quentin - nobody would care less, and if a guard got caught doing this - he'd get a wrist slap.

Listening to some of those Senators - you have to shake your head - some of those guys are just using this as a grandstand to get some extra exposure in the public eye. Some of the questions were retarted.

The administration did their mea culpas, apologies etc etc and now its back to business as usual. Rummy is Superb! according to Bush. Incredible :rolleyes:

I think it is funny how everyone one that is sitting at home watching "Friends" can pass judgement on those that are doing the actual work. Lets say the shoe is on the other foot, you get to see a friend, coworker ... being draged through the street or hung from a bridge. I quess those that are not involved with this war are perfect and would NEVER let their emotions get in the way of their job???? I'm not saying what these soldiers did is OK, but I do find it funny how perfect some here find themselfs. I will now bow my head to all you perfect BULL SH**ERS

Originally posted by mad dog
I think it is funny how everyone one that is sitting at home watching "Friends" can pass judgement on those that are doing the actual work.

I feel bad for the soldiers in one regard - that anyone and everyone even remotely near the prison is going to get swept into a court martial as the Army tries to improve its image before the public. It seems like every time there's a tragedy in the military, the military turns on its own and throws them to the wolves to keep up appearances. There was the U.S.S. Iowa explosion, the guys that shot down Army helicopters they thought were Iraqis, the plane that accidently knocked down an aerial tramway in Italy, the submarine captain that surfaced under the Japanese fishing boat, the pilot that accidently bombed Canadian troops in Afghanistan . . . The first reaction is always to try to make it look like the actions of a few rogue soliders and try to avoid any indication that the problem is systemic.

Originally posted by mad dog
I think it is funny how everyone one that is sitting at home watching "Friends" can pass judgement on those that are doing the actual work. Lets say the shoe is on the other foot, you get to see a friend, coworker ... being draged through the street or hung from a bridge. I quess those that are not involved with this war are perfect and would NEVER let their emotions get in the way of their job???? I'm not saying what these soldiers did is OK, but I do find it funny how perfect some here find themselfs. I will now bow my head to all you perfect BULL SH**ERS

I have not passed judgement on the soldiers and will not until the evidence has been heard. I am a disabled combat veteran and know what it is like to be treated poorly by those who sit and judge the ones who serve.