Dear Mr. Bush,

Like most Americans, I love my country. When I think about America, I marvel at all we have accomplished since our forefathers first signed the Declaration of Independence. In the face of enormous challenges and great struggles, we have not just survived, but prospered to become what is arguably the greatest nation in the history of man. I consider myself very fortunate to have been born in this country, especially when considering the alternatives, countries where children die everyday from starvation. Countries where freedoms and basic human rights are severly limited or simply non-existent. Sadly, I believe a majority of Americans have taken for granted all the wonderful things that have made our nation the great country that it is.....or was. I must admit, I used to be one of these people. But in the last 3 years or so, partially because I'm getting older and my priorities are changing, but mostly due to recent events and the unbeliveably bad way that you and your admistration have handled them, I no longer take anything for granted, hence, I write this letter. I am deeply troubled and I fear for the future of America. I wish I was being melodramatic, but I really do not believe that this is the case. From the obvious mishandling of the war in Iraq, a war which should have never taken place, to massive government waste of money, resources, and lives, extremely flawed economic policies and your blatant disregard for environmental issues, history will record you and your administration as one of the worst things to ever happen to this country. Only time will tell, but I suspect that if I had a time machine, and I traveled 50 years into the future and visited a future library, I could find volumes of text that would paint a less than flattering picture of you. I could read a story about a president who was offered forth as a candidate by the Republican Party soley because his last name was Bush. I would read how he was elected in a highly suspect election, an election that he may not have even actually won. I would read about how under this president's leadership, or lack therof, a chain of events was set into motion that took our country to the brink of destruction. Mr. Bush, I have nothing against you on a personal level. What I mean is, I might be able to sit and have a beer with you, and have a nice conversation, and actually like you as a person. I can't say because I don't know you personally. But the truth is, and alot of us are starting to realize this, you have no business being the President of The United States of America. You do realize why you were elected, don't you? The republican party knew that with your name, and because you look so much like your father, you were their best chance to win the election and regain the White House, especially after the Clinton "scandal". Pure psychology. It is no more complicated than that, very cut and dry. They would have chosen your brother Jeb over you, but they knew that nobody would elect a guy named Jeb to the office of president (no offense to Jeb), so they went with you instead. People expect certain things from their president. I for one expect my president to be a calm, collected, intelligent person who can convey his thoughts clearly to the American people and the rest of the world. Every time I have seen you on Television, you look like a deer caught in the headlights. You are simply in over your head. Yes, I am sure that you still have alot of people in your corner, but lets look at that for a moment. The largest following I can see is the religious right, and to me, these people are mostly a joke. To win these people over, all you have to say is "Pro-Life", and that's it. They're done. They don't need to hear anything else. They'll follow you forever as long as you don't condone abortion or you agree with them on some other single issue. While driving to pick up my kids from school recently, I got behind a big gas guzzling SUV with a "Bush-Cheney in '04" bumper sticker and one of those "Jesus Fish Symbols" on the back, it took all I had not to slam into it, run it off the road, pull out the occupants, smack them around a little bit, and just ask them "Why? What has he done for us?". I suspect some people are still holding on to the images of you after September 11th at the world trade center, seeing you as some sort of strong, passionate leader who will not rest until the terrorists are brought to justice. But the thing is, would it have mattered who our president was at the time? Would anyone else have acted any differently? I don't think so. Sadly, the events of September 11th actually helped your cause. I am angry. And the more I write, and explore my feelings on all of this, the more upset I become. What you need to know is, there are others out there like me, and our numbers grow daily. You and your cabinet are simply ineffective. Every thought you've had, every decision you have made, and every action you have taken has been the wrong one. When are you going to get something right? You are the Presdient of The United States of America! Do you really understand what that means? You have been given the power to singlehandedly turn things around and repair the damage that has been done. I know it can't be easy being president but come on! Get an original thought, or at least some new advisors and do it quickly, unless you like the idea of being remembered as the worst president of all time. It's time to dump your speechwriters and tell us how you really feel. At this moment, I am ashamed to be an American, because the world is watching and I guarantee you that many of them have reached the same conclusions that I have. I am ashamed because the American people actually elected you, when it was so obvious to me what that would mean to all of us. It is obvious to many of us that you have simply cruised through life on the "Bush" name. It seems that everything you have "accomplished" in your life you owe to your father, who by the way I happen to think was actually a decent leader. When the results were tallied, and I found out that you actually won the election, I said to my wife, "We are in big trouble here, this is not good." , and sure enough I was right. So you'd better start packing, because you will not be serving another term. If by some chance that you do win the coming election, I swear I will either leave this country, or start some sort of radical Anti-Bush movement, I haven't decided which yet, I guess it will depend on how bad things get. Let me end by saying that I realize that all the worlds problems are certainly not your fault, it's just that you seem to have no idea how to deal with them. Don't feel bad, not every man can be President.
Sincerely,
Michael A. Banuelos Jr.

I vote you leave the country

Yes trav, we should all leave the country. That way you and Dubya Bush can have sex out of the closet without anybody there to notice. Oh, I'm pretty sure Rush, Falwell and Robertson would love to join you.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Yes trav, we should all leave the country. That way you and Dubya Bush can have sex out of the closet without anybody there to notice. Oh, I'm pretty sure Rush, Falwell and Robertson would love to join you.

That would be too "homo"...and that's bad. Tisk Tisk!

How dare you say that!

hehe....

Mr banuelos,

Do you honestly think that making a big post is really going to hide the crap you just posted? All I've seen is the typical liberal TRASH that has been parroted for years. Bush got elected on shady ballot counting, Bush doesn't give a damn about the environment, Bush has handlers that tell him what to say, Bush is a dunce (you're deer in the headlights analogy), Bush is only supported by the right to life wackos and big SUV drivers. I believe that is all of your major points.

The only thing of note in your tirade is that you feel the same rage about Bush that seems to have infected the hard core left ever since Bush got into the Whitehouse.

Would it be possible for you to come up with anything original thought in your future postings?

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Mr banuelos,

Do you honestly think that making a big post is really going to hide the crap you just posted? All I've seen is the typical liberal TRASH that has been parroted for years.

Why is it that if someone posts liberal points that have been raised before they are "parroting" and when conservatives do it it's "original thought"?

Bush got elected on shady ballot counting, Bush doesn't give a damn about the environment, Bush has handlers that tell him what to say, Bush is a dunce (you're deer in the headlights analogy), Bush is only supported by the right to life wackos and big SUV drivers. I believe that is all of your major points.

Now that you've identified his points how about addressing them instead of attacking HIM?

The only thing of note in your tirade is that you feel the same rage about Bush that seems to have infected the hard core left ever since Bush got into the Whitehouse.

I think people are concerned about a lot of those things who are not from the "hard core left".

Would it be possible for you to come up with anything original thought in your future postings?

Well, you didn't...you just attacked him...

Originally posted by Blibblob
Yes trav, we should all leave the country. That way you and Dubya Bush can have sex out of the closet without anybody there to notice. Oh, I'm pretty sure Rush, Falwell and Robertson would love to join you.

bye bye

Geez Vile,

Must I go point by point on the same silly accusations that have been leveled by Bush for the past four years?

Very well as you wish, here goes:

Bush wasn't "really" elected. Well actually he was, they redid that damn recount in Florida some 600 times. Then some private groups of reporters re-did the recount again and the vote was still for Bush. Gore said count all the damn votes, yet only recounted votes in Broward and Palm Beach county then tried to get the absentee votes NOT counted because most were military votes that would go to G.W. Bush. Then there was this democrat activist (I forget his name because it was some 4 years old) who called up a bunch of democrat voters in Broward and Palm Beach county and convinced them that they voted for Ralph Nader when they really wanted to vote for Gore and the paper ballot was confusing (they did tests on those ballots and second graders figured them out, but aw well) so we the hanging chad thing. Point was Bush got the majority in Florida. Simple, case closed. Dammit!

Bush doesn't give a damn about the environment. Well actually Bush did sign legislation for what he called the "freedom car" which would run on hydrogen gas instead of fossil fuels and Bush sank some umpteen billion dollars into the project. But that isn't the point, is it? Kyoto is the left's biggest bomb they have against Bush. The idea for the Kyoto treaty was to basically blame the United States for the so-called greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere and to make the U.S. pay fees for all the pollution we are sending aloft. Bush doesn't support, I don't either. Then there was this thing were Bush was "increasing" the amount of arsenic that could be allowed in drinking water. Which would've been bad, except that Clinton signed a bill that stipulated the arsenic level be so low that it would be impossible to meet such standards. Bush "raised" the arsenic level to where it was before Clinton's tampering, but the left had a good time with that one till the truth got out. So much for Bush being an environmental nightmare.

Bush is a dunce, has handlers to put words in his mouth etc. They said as much about Reagan. But both Presidents had laid out policies that have been met with a firestorm of controversy and both have stuck with their policies. I think that shows strength of character. But that really isn't smarts, is it? Well I see Bush as an able and articulate speaker when I've watched his State of the Union Addresses. The left will see him as a dunce no matter what he does. I'll see him as articulate, funny and straight speaking. Not much I can do about perception, is there?

Bush is supported by right wing, God fearing red necks. Ugh. To say the least, I can label the left with various names like feminazis, environmentalist wackos commies etc. There are extremes on both sides, however, I think Bush does well with middle america while the left gets the liberals of both coasts. Perception again.

You're right Vile, I DID attack Mr Banuelos. Why? I'm not going to allow someone to just write the same old stuff that the left has been spewing for years without challenging it. I do have core beliefs about the direction this country MUST go in, and if someone comes up with a rebuttal they are going to have to defend themselves. Vile, YOU do a good job with critiquing my posts, let mrbanuelos do the same. Dammit!

I am not Republican.
Obviously this individual came to the forum as probably other forums strictly to Bash Bush.

But let us consider some things.
If we stop now, and end our fight against Arab leaders that hate Democracy and have resorted to terrorism to maintain their strong hand rule of the Arab republics we truely will rue the day.

Democracy is a spreading plague to Arab leaders. They must stop it or lose their grasp on the Arab public. We have helped these leaders gain fantastic wealth to come against us thru the purchase of their oil reserves. Understand that they cannot stop in their attack on us or any strong Democracy.
If the fight stops around Iraq it will go underground. They will still seek to destroy our way of life.
Infiltration of our people in this country and the financial purchase of our leaders will weaken us. They have already purchased France , Spain and Russia. Other allies will eventually fall to the wayside.
As much as I hate the fact we must continue to fight for our way of life. I hate the loss of life. But several years down the road we may pay an even greater price if we do not stop it now. :(

No Dan, I did not post to this forum strictly to bash Bush. I simply stated the things that I am seeing and feeling and truly believe in. Also, I am not a liberal. I am just a man. I despise labels. I am not a "liberal" or a "conservative". Nor am I a republican (obviously) or a democrat. You assume too much Dan. I never said we should pull out of Iraq, did I? I don't recall saying that. The truth is, I'm pissed because now, we have no choice but to STAY in Iraq and try to fix this mess we have made. The worst part is, I don't really think that we, (The U.S.) can accomplish this task anyway. Whether or not Bush actually won the election is a moot point. I only referenced it because like I said, those future history books certainly will, so it is relevant to me. I will be proven right eventually, of this I have no doubt. I am as certain of this just as I am certain that Darth Dickhead is extremely out of touch with the common American, just like Uncle Bush. What do you do for a living Darth? I bet you drive one of those big SUV's I was talking about and pull in at least $200 grand a year at your fat corporate job, where, every now and then, you think to yourself how wonderful and important you are. So happy to be doing such important work. Making the world a better place. Ahh....life is good. Freedom Car? Give me a break. Kyoto wasn't about "blaming" the U.S. for problems with the Earth's atmosphere. Even though we ARE the largest contributor to this problem (FACT), (China is the number two polluter by the way). It was about doing the right thing. Do you really know anything about the topic? You don't even understand how important the global warming issue is, do you? Do some research Einstein. We are fucking up our planet in a BAD way my brother. I care about the future survival of all people, even you. I care about my children, and my childrens' children, etc. Sorry for that I guess. Also, it was not impossible to meet the arsenic level standards, just too expensive for Bush's big business buddies. So the way I see it, Bush has put a price on the quality of our lives. Look, I'm not saying that Bush and republicans are to blame for all the worlds ills. American government in general has NEVER done enough for this country. Education should be our number one concern, and it never has been. Is there really anything more important than this? Educating our children is the key to our future survival and prosperity. $25 billion dollars for continuing operations in Iraq? It makes me literally ill. The real figure will undoubtedly be much higher than that. Public schools all over the country are cutting back, struggling to find ways to keep important programs alive, trying to maintain the quality of the education that they provide. Yet we somehow can spend $25 Billion dollars on what is probably already a lost cause. Wait, let me say that again. I said 25 B-I-L-L-I-O-N fucking dollars! Gee, that's alot of money, ain't it Beavis? I sure bet we could edumacate a whole lotter people with that! Oh and by the way, Bush IS a dunce! How do you measure intelligence? I bet Bush couldn't score higher than 115 on any I.Q. test. Why does sticking with bad polices that don't work show strength of character? It clearly shows stupidity and stubborness to me. Like a toddler trying to put the square block into the round hole (I know! , I'll just keep on pushing! It's got to go in eventually!) I suppose next your going to say , "Yeah well Bush created 280,000 jobs last month! , What do you have to say to that?". I'd say your just as thick-headed as Bush. Because if anyone believes that Bush's policies are actually responsible for the recent job growth, I'd say you need to take an economics course. O.K. , what you got now bitch!? Peace.:hitout:

MBanuelos, I believe I understand what you are trying to say.
I tried hard to tell people what this country needed to regain its strength and protect its people. Few listened. Most hold steadfast to the leadership of the crooked Republican and Democratic leaders that are taking this country down the drain for selfish reasons. These parties are so entrenched in the American way of life that no independent with the ideas of the American dream for the average person will gain power to save America as we once knew it.
People are asleep, the future is dark for America and I do not see the changes being made that will save it. Could be that it is not worth saving. Each person has become an island concerned only with the little world immediately around them. Sure they make noise about this and that but actually do not get off their ass and do anything about it. Many Americans have become pompus asses that would not make it very long in the hard dog eat dog world of most countries. Most are lazy,noisy cowards that will make loud threats and acuzations as long as they have the protection of a computer room and locked door.
Being here almost 3 score years I have seen much change in America. Few things for the better.

Darth,

I'm not going to debate the 2000 election with you because it's a done deal.

As far as Bush's intelligence goes, I'm not impressed with the intellect he demonstrates every time he makes unscripted remarks, and further he has been described by people who have worked with him as "unengaged" and "disinterested". From all accounts he's very amiable and an extremely likeable guy, but you will not convince me that he's as intelligent as a President should be.

I'm not going to engage in name-calling about Bush's supporters, because unlike several people on this board I don't automatically think that if you disagree with me that makes you stupid, or unpatriotic.

That leaves Bush and the environment. I think anyone can agree that arsenic in our drinking water is bad. I'm in favor of NO arsenic in our water, but I understand that eliminating it entirely is not feasible. We can do a lot to decrease the level however, and the costs while high, are not prohibitive. Much has been said on both sides of the issue but little has been said about the costs of NOT reducing the level of arsenic in our water. The bottom line is that it will save lives and save money on reduced medical costs.

The Kyoto Accord is another point where the Bush administration has ignored the environment in favor of business interests. I know you think that this is a good thing, but the fact remains that the US is the worlds largest producer of greenhouse gasses and therefore we should be the largest contributor to any effort to clean up the problem. We have 5% of the worlds population yet we consume 25% of the worlds energy resources and the resulting pollution is something that the Bush administration doesn't want to be responsible for.

The Bush administration also has a habit of ignoring science and scientific studies when those studies come into conflict with the administration's policies.

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=7&id=4814

Shortly after 9-11, in April 2002, Interior Secretary Ann Norton proposed drilling for oil in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge because it was neccessary to increase our level of domestic oil production due to a threatened Iraqi boycott. The US consumes 25% of the worlds oil yet has only 4% of the worlds petroleum reserves. The suggestion to drill in the ANWR was made despite the fact that 95% of Alaska's north slope is allready open to oil exploration, but I guess we just need to drill in the remaining 5%.

Which brings me to your "Freedom Car". In his 2003 State of the Union address Mr. Bush announced a 1.2 Billion dollar initiative to research and produce an automobile powered by hydrogen fuel cells. Sounds good, 1.2 Billion dollars...about 10% of what we are spending in Iraq every month. According to the Dept. of Energy's website:

* The FY 2004 appropriation for hydrogen and fuel cell research and development through the Hydrogen Fuel Initiative is $159 million.
* The President's FY 2005 budget request for hydrogen and fuel cell activities in support of the Hydrogen Fuel Initiative is $227 million.


It seems obvious that his announcement in the SOTU address was just "window dressing".

http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenfuel/

Overall Mr. Bush's environmental record just plain sucks.

Here is an interesting statemnet about his record as Governor of Texas:

Environmentalists point to the fact that during Bush's tenure, Texas has achieved the dubious distinction, according to the Environmental Protection Agency, of having the dirtiest air in America, of ranking 47th in water quality, and having the seventh-highest rate of release of toxic industrial byproducts onto its land.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/july-dec00/bush_environment_8-22.html

damn these long posts! Is there a cliff notes version of this thread?

Sorry.... I've got alot to get off me chest. I'm an angry, angry young man.

DarthDickhead? The star wars geek? BITCH? LMAO! You don't react well to criticism, do you? Your coordination must have slipped a little, you posted the same thing twice. You'll note that in my previous posts I never attacked you PERSONALLY, but it seems that you don't take well to having your ideas slammed. It was the rage I guess.

First off, not that it's your business or anything like that, I don't make 200 grand a year. Far from it. I am one of the joe six pack working man types that is prevelent all over this country of ours. Nor do I exactly run around thinking how important I am at my work though I've been told numerous times that I'm one of the best at what I do. I DO believe that people should rise as far as talent and ambition can take and keep the rewards of their hard work. If I had my way, no more than 25% of ones income could be taken for taxes. State, federal, local, sales, social security, etc. I see politicians looking at Americans as a bunch of fat dairy cows to be milked as needed, and I'd like to get their hands off the udders so they can learn to live on a budget, the way I do, dammit.

Now to some of the so-called points you've come up with.

Global warming. Yes, I've come across that subject from time to time. But you should know that I have this dandy little PDF file from an old Time magazine saying that the climate is COOLING. We were, according to that article, on the verge of a new ICE AGE! Now seeing as how the average weatherman has a tough time telling what the weather is going to be like in the next few days and climatologists made a flip flop on such a huge scale, I'm disinclined to believe in the Global Warming flap. YOU may stand with Forrest Gore on one of the coldest days New York has experienced in a century and preach about global warming, but I'll wait for some difinitive proof.

Which leads to the Kyoto Treaty. Which really is about getting cold hard American cash into the hands of foreign countries who are deeply in debt thanks to their social programs. There was this satellite data at a NASA website I saw a little while back that showed where the biggest plumes of CO2 comes from. It turns out that the biggest plumes of the gas comes in spring in South Africa and, I believe, India during the spring when farmers slash and burn their fields to grow crops. The CO2 plumes where unimaginably huge. But the problem with people in that part of the world is that they don't have cash, but pigs. And Europe and Japan don't want to be paid in pigs, so the U.S. gets nailed with the blame. Kiss my ass on this Kyoto Treaty stuff.

The Education bilge you decided to bring up. You see, you can't have it both ways. You say that Bush is a dunce of some kind for his lack of attention on education. Yet Bush allowed Ted Kennedy to write the Education Bill and allocate money for improved education. Kennedy got handed a blank check, after the check was filled in, Bush signed it (the bipartisan support thing people seem to like so damn much). So don't give me this Bush don't care about education. You want to blame someone for the state of our education, you've gotta blame Kennedy. But you can't because you are a liberal.

Which leads to the last point I'll make in this post. You claim you aren't a lib, yet you're views hold with all the classic liberal views I've ever heard of. What's the matter? Afraid of being labled?

First of all, no, I do not have a problem taking criticism, I just feel very strongly when it comes to my views, as I'm sure you do. So yes, the rage got to me. So maybe I shouldn't have called you a dickhead, my bad. I call everybody a bitch, so please don't take offense to that. It's like a term of endearment, for example I'll say to my friends, "What's up Bitch!".

O.K. , so your saying because it got really cold in New York one day, global warming isn't real. Come on now. Global warming is not just some crazy theory. It is real and has been PROVEN.

Check out this link for interesting reading on The Bush Administration's energy/environmental policies -

http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/taskforce/tfinx.asp

As far as me being a "liberal", like I said before, I despise labels. I am just a man with my own personal views. If these views happen to coincide with traditional liberal ideas, so be it. Afraid of being labled? Bitch please!

Question - Why is it that "conservatives" seem to be Star Wars fans, and "liberals" are often times Star Trek / Simpsons Fans. I find this very interesting.

Question - Why is it that "conservatives" seem to be Star Wars fans, and "liberals" are often times Star Trek / Simpsons Fans. I find this very interesting.
NOOOO!! YOU CANNOT STEAL STAR WARS FROM ME!!!!
Because the philosophy and politics portrayed in Star Wars tends to be more conservative-ish... There's the Republic. The all knowing, all nosy, police of the Universe, the Jedi. The complete destruction of evil. Although it gets a bit liberal with Darth Vader being shown as not such a bad guy at the end of the movie.

Ah, but Star Trek is liberal to the core. First, it's a Federation, and if you knew Proudhon's, the grandfather of Anarchy, theories on it, then... yeah. They all attempt to try and work together. Except in the first series, then it's Captain Kirk getting his grove on with the ladies. And then the wonderful liberal Spock everybody loves. The Simpsons? Does that one really need explanation...

I see the Simpsons as neither. I see them as just a reflection of our American culture. The good, the bad, the fat, bald, and stupid.

Homer: Animotion
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Homer: Yahoooo!!!!!!
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Homer: Huh, what is this crap?
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Dear Mr. President... I am a giant SUV driver and if you don't do something to lower the gasoline prices in this country, I'm planning to vote for Kerry.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Blibblob
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Because the philosophy and politics portrayed in Star Wars tends to be more conservative-ish... There's the Republic. The all knowing, all nosy, police of the Universe, the Jedi. The complete destruction of evil. Although it gets a bit liberal with Darth Vader being shown as not such a bad guy at the end of the movie.

Ah, but Star Trek is liberal to the core. First, it's a Federation, and if you knew Proudhon's, the grandfather of Anarchy, theories on it, then... yeah. They all attempt to try and work together. Except in the first series, then it's Captain Kirk getting his grove on with the ladies. And then the wonderful liberal Spock everybody loves. The Simpsons? Does that one really need explanation...


but start trek is boring. star wars was interesting, before the newer versions came out. conservative or not, star wars was better.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
but start trek is boring. star wars was interesting, before the newer versions came out. conservative or not, star wars was better.
WITCH!!! SHE'S A WITCH!!! BURN HER!!! :p

If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all, young lady!

How do you know she's a witch?
"SHE DISSED STAR TREK!"
... *Scribble scribble* Change of script!
BURN HER!!!