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You Should NOT Vote If… (A public service message)

* You get your facts from corporate TV news or radio
* You have no factual information about the issues
* You do not hold your government accountable
* You support a candidate without specific reasons
* You believe what is said in “smear” campaign ads

ARE YOU AN INFORMED VOTER?
DO YOU KNOW…

* How many convicted felons George W. Bush has appointed to office?
* How many international treaties the Bush administration has broken?

More…

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Typical lib arrogance. The average American is just too stupid to vote without proper (liberal) indoctrination.

Here are a few rules I'm going to follow when I vote.

I am NOT gonig to vote for someone who went to Vietnam then came home and stabbed every other Vietnam veteran in the back to get him elected to office.

I'm NOT going to vote for someone who says he has a "better plan" for our dealings in Iraq, then doesn't deign to reveal what that is.

I'm NOT going to vote for someone who thinks that signing the Kyoto Treaty and having zillions of American taxpayer dollars forked over to countries like France that don't like us in the first place. Somehow, in the views of liberals, higher taxes reduces global warming.

I will NEVER vote for someone who says he voted for a thing, THEN voted against it.

I will NOT vote for someone who's going to raise my taxes. Kiss my ass on that one.

I'm not going to vote for a weak man. Kerry, Clinton and Al Gore for that matter are weak. They would've collapsed like a house of cards had an attack on the scale of 9/11 ever happened on their watch. I'll vote for the crusader, not for the man who will kiss the hindparts of the Euroweenies and allow thugs freedom to ride roughshod over their own people if only they will leave us alone. Dammit!

Uh.... does that mean you're not gonna vote for Kerry? :-)
But.. if you're going to vote for Bush, you'll be voting for someone who said he would never allow us to nation build....uh, flip flop.... (for starters).
Nah, vote for the AWOL richkid who didn't have to even fulfill his Guard Duty. Telling the truth about his experience in Vietnam was so damn American. But not for you flag wavers who believe you own the nation. Hide truth, deceive, mislead, secrete. That's your Bush/PNAC way.
The flyer is not for you. It's for people who want to think......Let it go.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I am NOT gonig to vote for someone who went to Vietnam then came home and stabbed every other Vietnam veteran in the back to get him elected to office.

But for someone who didn’t even serve, and stabbed everyone in the back by not serving? It’s the better of two evils, and I’ll have someone who served, and saved soldiers lives, thank you. Who also earned purple hearts, and medals. He didn’t “stab” them in the back, for everyone who served under Kerry, except only ONE, said they fully support what he has said and done.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I'm NOT going to vote for someone who says he has a "better plan" for our dealings in Iraq, then doesn't deign to reveal what that is.

Try checking his web site? It may be of use to you. Don’t listen to the talk radio, which says he has no plan when it’s right in front of your face. He wants to bring the UN into Iraq, and if you agree or disagree with that, he still has a plan. Don’t lie.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I'm NOT going to vote for someone who thinks that signing the Kyoto Treaty and having zillions of American taxpayer dollars forked over to countries like France that don't like us in the first place. Somehow, in the views of liberals, higher taxes reduces global warming.

He wants to stop the tax cuts for the rich, and give a tax cut to the middle class. Plus, if you don’t have the “rich” become taxed the 7 trillion dollar deficit will only increase. How else to you pay off deficits? Oh…wait raise the oil prices so Cheney and his buddies can make money. Great plan!

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I will NEVER vote for someone who says he voted for a thing, THEN voted against it.

Because he can admit he was wrong, and he can be man enough to retrace his steps and rethink things? Unlike George Bush? Wow. All the things he voted for, (mostly) were because President Bush lied, or he has done something to force Kerry to change his mind.


Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I'm not going to vote for a weak man. Kerry, Clinton and Al Gore for that matter are weak. They would've collapsed like a house of cards had an attack on the scale of 9/11 ever happened on their watch. I'll vote for the crusader, not for the man who will kiss the hindparts of the Euroweenies and allow thugs freedom to ride roughshod over their own people if only they will leave us alone. Dammit!

They are weak? But yet, KERRY SERVED! Bush didn’t, and how are they weak? Explain? “Euroweenies” haha…you’re just so damn funny!

Originally posted by skipper7
printable flyer for the unclued:

You Should NOT Vote If…

you are dead, a felon or if you've already voted...

* You get your facts from corporate TV news or radio
* You have no factual information about the issues

Are you the only one qualified to determine what is factual, or can I make up my own mind?

* You do not hold your government accountable

I thought by voting I was holding my government accountable.

* You support a candidate without specific reasons

Do they have to be good reasons, or just reasons that you think are valid?

* You believe what is said in “smear” campaign ads

Would those be Democratic smear ads, or just the Republican ones?

ARE YOU AN INFORMED VOTER?
DO YOU KNOW…

* How many convicted felons George W. Bush has appointed to office?
* How many international treaties the Bush administration has broken?

Skipper, I appreciate your passion and I probably agree with you on a lot of issues, but I don't need you to tell me what I should consider important. I will decide for myself how to vote and why.

Perhaps on a debate forum you would be better off debating the issues rather than proclaiming them.

Originally posted by skipper7
printable flyer for the unclued:

You Should NOT Vote If… (A public service message)

* You get your facts from corporate TV news or radio
* You have no factual information about the issues
* You do not hold your government accountable
* You support a candidate without specific reasons
* You believe what is said in “smear” campaign ads

ARE YOU AN INFORMED VOTER?
DO YOU KNOW…

* How many convicted felons George W. Bush has appointed to office?
* How many international treaties the Bush administration has broken?

More…

http://tvnewslies.org/html/you_should_not_vote_if___.html

DAMNIT! And why the hell not?! I like my decisions rash, with just a hint of lemon. I prefer to believe everything that is not contradictid by something else, and then vote.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
you are dead, a felon or if you've already voted...


or are underaged, unregistered, incapicitated, not a citizen, or not human.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Typical lib arrogance. The average American is just too stupid to vote without proper (liberal) indoctrination.

Typical conservative dismissiveness. Call someone a "lib" and then you don't have to give their ideas further consideration.

Here are a few rules I'm going to follow when I vote.

I am NOT gonig to vote for someone who went to Vietnam then came home and stabbed every other Vietnam veteran in the back to get him elected to office.

It's funny how the people who say this the loudest are not the ones supposedly stabbed in the back. I assume when you say "every other Vietnam veteran" you mean all of them who are not supporting him.

I'm NOT going to vote for someone who says he has a "better plan" for our dealings in Iraq, then doesn't deign to reveal what that is.

Just because you are not aware of it doesn't mean he hasn't revealed it.

I'm NOT going to vote for someone who thinks that signing the Kyoto Treaty and having zillions of American taxpayer dollars forked over to countries like France that don't like us in the first place. Somehow, in the views of liberals, higher taxes reduces global warming.

Most of the countries in the world signed the Kyoto treaty because it was the right thing to do. I suppose by your reckoning they were all just stupid.

How many millions are there in a zillion?

Good move mentioning France even though the Kyoto accord doesn't require us to send them a dime, but hey, just mentioning France in a negative way just feels right.

I will NEVER vote for someone who says he voted for a thing, THEN voted against it.

You know, I've seen that commercial over and over myself, and I always wonder what it was he said to the audience right after that...

I will NOT vote for someone who's going to raise my taxes. Kiss my ass on that one.

Good luck finding any politician who wont raise your taxes.

I'm not going to vote for a weak man. Kerry, Clinton and Al Gore for that matter are weak. They would've collapsed like a house of cards had an attack on the scale of 9/11 ever happened on their watch.

I commend you on your psychic powers. I have no idea how Kerry, Clinton, or Gore would have reacted to 9-11 and neither do you.

I'll vote for the crusader, not for the man who will kiss the hindparts of the Euroweenies and allow thugs freedom to ride roughshod over their own people if only they will leave us alone. Dammit!

Crusader? Hindparts? Euroweenies?

Please...

Roughshod has a nice rhetorical ring to it though...

Skipper,

What I've noted from your reply is that you out and out failed to come up with any rebuttal to my points. You talked about so-called nation building which wasn't in your original argument and I have no idea where that came from. Then you go on with the typical bilge about Bush going awol and that all us conservatives are out to decieve everyone in sight. Let me suggest that if you can't come up with appropriate rebuttals to an argument, don't reply. At least liberal4life had counter-arguments and he didn't post the original message. So much for me not thinking, dammit.

And no I'm not going to let it go, as you put it. I will not allow Kerry and co. to endanger America.

As for you, liberal4life,

First off, Kerry comes back from Vietnam, talks about how he and his buddies spent the war raping women and killing babies, throws his medals at the Whitehouse and rides the anti-war movement to get him elected to Congress. If that is not backstabbing Vietnam veterans I don't know what is.

Kerry, like Clinton has no core beliefs, which is what makes him weak. He voted for military force to be used in Iraq when he felt that the voting public was behind such a move, then voted against further funding our troops in Iraq when he felt that there was a vast anti-war movement afoot. You're right, he did "retrace his steps and rethink things" but it was for polictical advantage, not heartfelt belief in what he felt about event in Iraq.


About the strength of character. When Bush decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq he did so in the face of an absolute storm of protest from the so-called peaceniks,the press, democrats and the euroweenies. Bush has held his course no matter what has been said of him. Bush has solid character and that is the kind of man I want to vote for this fall. I worry more about that than I do about how much time he spent in the National Guard. Being ex-military doesn't make one qualified to be a good president. Geez, look at Jimmy Carter.

The tax garbage stuff you've spewed. In Clinton's fist book "Putting People First" Clinton said that it was vital that a middle class tax cut be enacted, and that he would do so when he got elected. WELLLLL, Clinton gets elected and promptly forgets any tax cut for any one at all and raised taxes for everyone. Kerry would do the exact same thing. Like I said, Kerry has no core beliefs and will toe the party line, and the liberal party line is to raise taxes. Also, I find it somewhat amazing when deficits get worried about. When Bush Sr was pres, the deficit was greatly feared, right up until Clinton got in. Then it was hushed up. I remember seeing pre-94 deficit projection and the deficit was on its way to the moon! Now in 2004 with an election coming up, the deficit monster has reared its ugly head. Why is it that a deficit with a republican in the whitehouse is a monster and a deficit with a democrat in the whitehouse nothing to worry about?? HMMMMMMMMM?

Also, merely turning over our attempt to stabilize Iraq to the U.N. is a cop-out, not a plan. That kind of trash has been vomited all over the airwaves by every peace-nic, euroweenie, reporter and democrat that could manage to stand in front of a microphone. I want a plan for Iraq, not rhetoric and spin.

Oh, and a definition of a Euroweenie is someone who lives in Europe doesn't like the United States because it's hip not to do so and doesn't give a damn about what is happening in the world so-long as their own personal comfort is not interupted. See Dominique deVillepan. Dammit!

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Why is it that a deficit with a republican in the whitehouse is a monster and a deficit with a democrat in the whitehouse nothing to worry about?? HMMMMMMMMM?
I would think that was because the deficit shrank during the Clinton years and has shot back up with Bush...

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Skipper,
As for you, liberal4life,
First off, Kerry comes back from Vietnam, talks about how he and his buddies spent the war raping women and killing babies, throws his medals at the Whitehouse and rides the anti-war movement to get him elected to Congress. If that is not backstabbing Vietnam veterans I don't know what is.

If he backstabbed the Vietnam soldiers, then why does everyone who served under him support him? Yes a lot of veterans don’t support him, but many do. The liberal ones do and the conservative ones don’t. So both of our arguments are not really accurate if you think about it.

He was the one that was in Vietnam and they have stories of these events happening. Just because he reported them, does not mean he was “back stabbing” his fellow soldiers. He may have “exaggerated” the truth, as he has admitted to, but he was caught up in the moment, as was most Americans at the time were.

To get mad at him, and not the majority of Americans for this is just dumb. There were tons of people that were Anti-War, during that time, and to attack Kerry because he was anti-war is meaningless, because he served, and fought for something that he didn’t believe in, because he was “being a good American” unlike Bush.

Plus one way to protest the war was he threw his ribbons. That to me, shows that he truly thought the war was wrong, and he was willing to fight for that as well.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
He voted for military force to be used in Iraq when he felt that the voting public was behind such a move, then voted against further funding our troops in Iraq when he felt that there was a vast anti-war movement afoot. You're right, he did "retrace his steps and rethink things" but it was for polictical advantage, not heartfelt belief in what he felt about event in Iraq.

Oh lord, he voted for the war, thinking Iraq had WMD’s, as Bush said to congress. Bush said he was going to go in as a “last resort” and didn’t. He deceived congress to get his right away for war. Therefore Kerry, didn’t vote to fund the troops, because he finally got the facts, and “retraced his steps” and made a more educated decision.

The rest of your post was trash.

He wants to stop the tax cuts for the rich and give tax cuts to the middle class to stop our deficit from increasing.

He wants to bring the UN into Iraq, and I don’t think that’s a cop out, because that is what we honestly need to do.

The reason we are so mad about the deficit is because it shouldn’t be as high as it is.

1. If we didn’t give the rich tax cuts
2. If we had help from the UN in Iraq

Those two reasons are making our deficit reach 7 trillion dollars, the most since Herbert Hoover. So actually, we have reason enough to be mad at him, because his deficit is unreasonable, too large, for no reason.

Plus, we had a SURPLUS with Clinton in office.

What's your definition of rich? And who's business is it to decide who has too much money and who doesn't?

Sorry but it should be a flat tax, or a tax on consumption, not income. It should also be noted that everytime taxes go up to punish "the rich" my taxes go up as well and I"m nowhere near rich.

Also, we only had a surplus in the Clinton years because of the '94 takeover of Congress. The Republicans said "no-no" to Clinton's tax and spend schemes. Pre-94 deficit projections where monstrous.

The U.N. thing in Iraq. Pipe dream. We have insurgents in Iraq that wish to fight and the comfortable folk in other Western Nations don't wish to do anything to anger terrorists, lest they become uncomfortable.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
What's your definition of rich? And who's business is it to decide who has too much money and who doesn't?

Rich, I don’t know…maybe John Kerry? He will be the third richest president, if he gets elected.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Sorry but it should be a flat tax, or a tax on consumption, not income. It should also be noted that everytime taxes go up to punish "the rich" my taxes go up as well and I"m nowhere near rich.

Sadly, Kerry is going to make sure the middles class gets a tax cut, I believe and the rich won’t get one anymore…so our deficit will go down.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Also, we only had a surplus in the Clinton years because of the '94 takeover of Congress. The Republicans said "no-no" to Clinton's tax and spend schemes. Pre-94 deficit projections where monstrous.

Then why isn’t it working now, HAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by Evil Homer



or are underaged, unregistered, incapicitated, not a citizen, or not human.

none of that stuff ever stopped me.

Luv it........

Darth, excellent posts.

I believe everything a politician says-Especially if he is a Democrat or Republican

Originally posted by skipper7
]printable flyer for the unclued:

You Should NOT Vote If… (A public service message)

* You get your facts from corporate TV news or radio

Allways believe what is on the internet, or what you here at the local pub{bar}


* You have no factual information about the issues

So unless a person has been at the White House and gone through all the papers they don't no diddly.


* You do not hold your government accountable

If we don't have the proper info in the 1st place, what do we hold them accountable for?


* You support a candidate without specific reasons

there goes half the American population. Most of the time we are forced to pick the less of 2 evils


* You believe what is said in “smear” campaign ads

there only correct if there on the internet

ARE YOU AN INFORMED VOTER?
DO YOU KNOW…

ARE YOU, that is the question?

Originally posted by Karankawa
Darth, excellent posts.

I would have to agree with this. Keep up the good work.

Originally posted by sputnik
none of that stuff ever stopped me.

so are you an illegal kitten in a coma?

Thank you to both karankawa and The Republican, you have no idea how nice it is to know that others appreciate my postings!