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Pepper
05-05-2004, 02:37 PM
By Jim Rutenberg


WASHINGTON — The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday.

The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis — including the family of Osama bin Laden — and criticizes Mr. Bush's actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.

Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases, people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is not reached, these people said, the matter could go to mediation, though neither side is said to want to travel that route.

In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."

But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of companies, executives said.

"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."

Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon Productions, Mel Gibson's company, backed out.

Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed particular concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is governor.

"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."

Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.

A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company had the right to quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deemed their distribution to be against the interests of the company. The executive said Mr. Moore's film is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's film, which does not have a release date, could alienate many.

"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.

Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, but such a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.

Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday, saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be happening in a free and open society where the monied interests essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public is allowed to see?' "

Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine," are often a political lightning rod, as Mr. Moore sets out to skewer what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more than a million copies, have also been lucrative.

Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged, but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.

Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden from the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.

Mr. Moore once planned to produce the film with Mr. Gibson's company, but "the project wasn't right for Icon," said Alan Nierob, an Icon spokesman, adding that the decision had nothing to do with politics.

Miramax stepped in immediately. The company had distributed Mr. Moore's 1997 film, "The Big One." In return for providing most of the new film's $6 million budget, Miramax was positioned to distribute it.

While Disney's objections were made clear early on, one executive said the Miramax leadership hoped it would be able to prevail upon Disney to sign off on distribution, which would ideally happen this summer, before the election and when political interest is high.

© Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Travh20
05-05-2004, 02:57 PM
:rolleyes: looks like the end of america, fat ass moore cant peddle his outrageous lies and bias as objective "documentaries" anymore. the first person I hear say "first ammendment" is going to get b*tch slapped!

Pepper
05-05-2004, 03:19 PM
Did you see it?

I don't think anyone is saying this is objective.

Isn't Disney part of the cabel of Liberal media? Why aren't they allowing this movie to be distributed?

Travh20
05-05-2004, 03:24 PM
"If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Lungdop Philing
05-05-2004, 03:27 PM
Jeb Bush and Florida probably threatened to endanger the tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other such ventures. I guess Michael shouldn't have included the part in the movie that shows Jeb taking off in the transport plane loaded down with election fraud and nine-11 evidence. LMAO.

Anyway, don't sweat it -- Miramax is only the US distributor -- several overseas companies have rights to sell it -- so I go for the UK one or the German one and there's always France -- freedom fries anyone?

The funny part is that the more they try not to politicize the film the more they are creating publicity for it -- there is going to be tremendous pressure to release this thing and then throw in the Canne Film Festival showcasing it (and probably giving it bukoo awards) -- someone suddenly has a problem and it's not Moore.

Worse comes to worse you have to get a bootleg copy, or download it p2p from the internet, the great equalizer -- either way -- You will get to see this movie sooner or later.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, Michael told me that should I see anyone from Disney, thank them for making him a *VERY RICH MAN*.

ROTFLMAO

"As the animals watch the dinner proceedings through the window, they realize with horror that they can no longer tell the pigs' faces from the human ones."

George Orwell ~ Animal Farm

Dop

Travh20
05-05-2004, 03:30 PM
the part in the movie that shows Jeb taking off in the transport plane loaded down with election fraud and nine-11 evidence.

LOL, thats good. the fat cat capitalist mooe is a joke. I bet he isnt returning his tax cut

mad dog
05-05-2004, 03:56 PM
Well I didn't read the whole thing NO reason to, once I saw old twisty himself, Michael {the dumba**} Mooron. Maybe there is hope for America yet, Disney should get an award for blocking stupid's sh**

Vilepagan
05-05-2004, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
"If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.

what the hell is that supposed to mean?

It means that Michael Moore feels that the working class and not the upper class of this country is paying the heaviest costs of the war in Iraq.

Vilepagan
05-05-2004, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by mad dog
Well I didn't read the whole thing NO reason to, once I saw old twisty himself, Michael {the dumba**} Mooron. Maybe there is hope for America yet, Disney should get an award for blocking stupid's sh**

Disney should be required to live up to their contract, and release the movie. If it's as full of lies as you and trav think, isn't the American public smart enough to figure that out? I certainly don't want Disney or anyone telling me that I shouldn't see the movie because they are afraid of pissing off Jeb Bush.

Travh20
05-05-2004, 05:27 PM
it seems the whole freedom of speech thing only goes one way. if michael moore cant get his stupid movie out in america it is some kind of travisty. whenever conservatives on college campuses get shut down and called racist for doing the same thing more is doing, saying what they believe, no one says a peep.

LionelHutz
05-05-2004, 07:10 PM
If Disney has a contract requiring them to release the film, they should do so. If not, they should do whatever they want. This is America, after all. Companies tend not to make as much money when they piss off a lot of potential customers, so their caution isn't completely unwarranted.

Travh20
05-05-2004, 07:22 PM
I just reads an artcle that said moore has known this for a year and waitied till now to make a big deal of it so he can make a big slapsh as some anti coperate crusader at the cannes film festival

WhammyBar
05-05-2004, 07:24 PM
Mel Gibson's distribution company? wonder why that didn't work out


Disney should release this if they have a contract, but otherwise, it's their choice. at the same time, everyone knows exactly what's going on here. if it comes out at cannes we'll ba able to see it eventually. they really likes bowling for columbine, it got the palm d'or (I think that's what the grabd prize is called). I really loce Mochael Moore films. soooo funny. sputnik and I have marathons when I visit her.

saycricket
05-05-2004, 08:40 PM
IMO, I think Disney is saying "no" because it's not the "type" of movie that they are famous for. Why toss your good reputation to the wolves? Better to be landbasted now rather than afterwards when the critics will set you afire.

Travh20
05-05-2004, 09:43 PM
only in a case of a bush attck film being shut down will this kind of national attention be paid. no distributers wanted any part of the jesus film either. moore is a showboat out to get rich, he pretends he cares but its all about the money

DrewM
05-05-2004, 10:22 PM
I watched that movie 'Bowling for Columbine' recently - actually thought it was a very good movie - very interesting.

DanF
05-06-2004, 03:57 AM
:hitout: aint life strange

Vilepagan
05-06-2004, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
I watched that movie 'Bowling for Columbine' recently - actually thought it was a very good movie - very interesting.

I saw it not too long ago myself. I thought he made some very good points, especially about the culture of fear we live in and the way it's propogated by the media.

I would hope that Disney will change its mind and not try to block the release of this one.

DrewM
05-06-2004, 09:57 AM
My wife watched it a few weeks after me and suddenly said - lets move to Canada! - of course within a day or so, that madness had passed.

Vilepagan
05-06-2004, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
My wife watched it a few weeks after me and suddenly said - lets move to Canada! - of course within a day or so, that madness had passed.

I can understand why your wife felt that way. It does make you wonder why they have as many guns as we do yet they seem much less interested in shooting each other with them.

LionelHutz
05-06-2004, 12:46 PM
I've only seen Roger & Me, which I thought was really good. I occassionally watched some of his shows, which weren't bad either. But he was more entertaining when he was going after stupid companies. He seems to be more of a one trick pony these days. I think if Kerry's elected you might not hear from him again.

WhammyBar
05-06-2004, 07:17 PM
afetr I saw Roger and Me every time I hear Woudln't it be Nice I think of that movie.

BorgHunter
05-06-2004, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by LionelHutz
I've only seen Roger & Me, which I thought was really good. I occassionally watched some of his shows, which weren't bad either. But he was more entertaining when he was going after stupid companies. He seems to be more of a one trick pony these days. I think if Kerry's elected you might not hear from him again.
And good riddance. Michael Moore's a jackass.

WhammyBar
05-06-2004, 07:32 PM
but he's so funny.

BorgHunter
05-06-2004, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by WhammyBar
but he's so funny.
Agreed, but I have developed an intense dislike for him. Al Franken, on the other hand...

LionelHutz
05-06-2004, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by BorgHunter
Agreed, but I have developed an intense dislike for him. Al Franken, on the other hand...

I see Franken as the same type. Someone that used to have lots of intelligent and funny things to say on any number of topics and now seems to have only one thing to talk about.

mad dog
05-07-2004, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Vilepagan
Disney should be required to live up to their contract, and release the movie. If it's as full of lies as you and trav think, isn't the American public smart enough to figure that out?

NO

I certainly don't want Disney or anyone telling me that I shouldn't see the movie because they are afraid of pissing off Jeb Bush.

I could care less about Bush, I just can't see giving anymore attention to Mooron, he is an a** that is full of bull.

Vilepagan
05-07-2004, 08:11 AM
Just out of curiousity mad dog, have you seen "Bowling for Columbine", and if you did, what did you think of it?

Pepper
05-10-2004, 01:49 PM
Michael Moore responds to his critics...

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18646

Beirut_Veteran
05-11-2004, 05:57 PM
looks like the end of america, fat ass moore cant peddle his outrageous lies and bias as objective "documentaries" anymore.

I would have to say bravo Travh20.

Moore failed in all early endevours until Bowling For Columbine now he feels that he is the voice of America.

Making a profit from acts such as Columbine or 9/11 is deplorable and accepting an award for the dog called Bowling For Columbine was more proof that Moore doesnt give a crap about any of these views he only cares about Michael Moore.

mad dog
05-11-2004, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Vilepagan
]Just out of curiousity mad dog, have you seen "Bowling for Columbine", and if you did, what did you think of it? [/B]

That's a fair question, I have seen pieces of it, enough to learn how full of bull it is. I've also watched Mooron on TV, during interviews, and learned that he really is clue less. Some things{few, very few} he probably could make a point, BUT then he twist things and flat out lies. He is another a** in the wheel of life that makes money off of others misfortune. Even now if he changed his ways and tried telling the truth, I still would find him hard to believe. Why do people think that someone that makes money off of another's misfortune is so great? Is this what the new America is comming to, are people becomming so dumb that they can't see what jerks like him are doing? I will be the 1st to say I am no brain, but it will be a cold day in hell before I give any type of money, hype, etc... to a piece of sh** like Mooron.