May 1 the borders of Européen countrys are no more and EU become 25countrys. Balkan countrys will join EU,then Turquie,Ukrane,Canada and later Syrie and Palestine. expanson will end with EU becomeing poverful in the world. onst Européen summet will subjket Europe to become world best economie and next summet subjket Atlantiske Knetongene with Europe and US. perhaps then Sweden and Norway will join EMU.

do you think better Européen economie will make for better economie for the world?

It will be interesting to see how it works out. The smaller EU could never really get its act together - so i'm dubious that a larger EU will make that any easier.

One upside is the French-German partnership is now diluted - This is good news for all except the French & Germans (strange bedfellows really, but hardly suprising from the French)

until they all speak the same language it will never be more then a loose assortment of nations

Europeisk Union and EMU

http://europa.eu.int/index_sv.htm

https://members.weforum.org/site/ho...?Open&login

Drew, now that I think about it, what you said about france and germany shows that a al qeada/ saddam alliance wasnt some far fetched wild conspiracy theory as the far out conspiracy theorists like to laugh it off as. France and germany are not the greatest of friends, and over the years have slaughtered each other in droves. Yet, when a common foe appeared, that being us, they quickly set aside their differences to unite and counter us. Why is it so hard to believe that al qeada and saddam had an uneasy alliance based on thier common, stronger foe,the USA? It does not help the lefts agenda to ahve anyone believe that saddam could have supported al qeada. Even though they both had very similar goals. The destruction of America and Israel. how can the same poeple who dream up wild conspiracy theorys about bush and 9-11 nad bush and a giant conspiracy to mislead the world be totally unable to picture that al qeada and saddam had enough in common to put aside thier differneces and form an alliance? that doesnt mean they have to lik eeach other. I guess the same people who beliieve saddam when he says he destroyed all those weapons believe he is to big a man to align himself with lowly terrorists.

France & Germany are incredibly good friends - they didn't suddenly become friends because of Iraq. Their governments are practically intertwined with bi-lateral ties at many levels.

I don't really follow your comparision of Iraq & Al-qeada to France & Germany - makes no sense to me.

I was just saying that it was a good example of how two groups who are supposedly so differnet can come together to achieve a common goal. it has happend all throughout history. buyt now it seem sthat it is just totally impossible that there was an al queada saddam link, and if you think there was you are some loony conspiracy theorist.

Ok, but it was a terrible example.

Anyway - there was no link between Iraq and Al-queda - everybody including Bush knows that. It was never a reason for the Iraq war.

there was no way to be s ure unless went in there. we found trainng camps and documents pointing to it. there was even evidnece that the 9-11 hiackers nmay have trained taking over a plane in iraq. he gave money to palestinian suicide bombers familys as a reward for blowingup israeli civilians, al queada goal is the removal of israel. its so obvious a link could be made but evey effort is made to discredit the idea as stupid

Originally posted by Travh20
there was no way to be s ure unless went in there. we found trainng camps and documents pointing to it. there was even evidnece that the 9-11 hiackers nmay have trained taking over a plane in iraq. he gave money to palestinian suicide bombers familys as a reward for blowingup israeli civilians, al queada goal is the removal of israel. its so obvious a link could be made but evey effort is made to discredit the idea as stupid

Weren’t we the ones who trained Osama Bin Laden? And gave Saddam money and weapons….? Funny, really.

Originally posted by Travh20
there was no way to be s ure unless went in there. we found trainng camps and documents pointing to it. there was even evidnece that the 9-11 hiackers nmay have trained taking over a plane in iraq. he gave money to palestinian suicide bombers familys as a reward for blowingup israeli civilians, al queada goal is the removal of israel. its so obvious a link could be made but evey effort is made to discredit the idea as stupid

Yep - but that is just all speculation. You don't spend billions of $, divert resources away from a known campaign in Afghanistan and have 700 soldiers dead based on a wild ass theory.

Maybe we should send a mission to mars to look for an Al-qeuda link there - I heard Bin Laden was in cahoots with the martians.

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
Weren’t we the ones who trained Osama Bin Laden? And gave Saddam money and weapons….? Funny, really.

Funny? We did train the Afghans, many of whom became the Taliban. And we sold Saddam some weapons. In retrospect definitely bad decisions. But again, having made a bad decision, are we not allowed to do something about it or do we just have to sit here and live with it?

Originally posted by Travh20
Drew, now that I think about it, what you said about france and germany shows that a al qeada/ saddam alliance wasnt some far fetched wild conspiracy theory as the far out conspiracy theorists like to laugh it off as. France and germany are not the greatest of friends, and over the years have slaughtered each other in droves. Yet, when a common foe appeared, that being us, they quickly set aside their differences to unite and counter us. Why is it so hard to believe that al qeada and saddam had an uneasy alliance based on thier common, stronger foe,the USA? It does not help the lefts agenda to ahve anyone believe that saddam could have supported al qeada. Even though they both had very similar goals. The destruction of America and Israel. how can the same poeple who dream up wild conspiracy theorys about bush and 9-11 nad bush and a giant conspiracy to mislead the world be totally unable to picture that al qeada and saddam had enough in common to put aside thier differneces and form an alliance? that doesnt mean they have to lik eeach other. I guess the same people who beliieve saddam when he says he destroyed all those weapons believe he is to big a man to align himself with lowly terrorists.

It’s no “hard” to believe, just you have no evidence. Just like you had no evidence of Saddam having WMD’s.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Funny? We did train the Afghans, many of whom became the Taliban. And we sold Saddam some weapons. In retrospect definitely bad decisions. But again, having made a bad decision, are we not allowed to do something about it or do we just have to sit here and live with it?

We did do something about it, we asked Saddam to disarm. He said he did, and we didn’t believe him. So we sent the UN weapons inspectors into Iraq, to see if he did disarm. The UN found no weapons, and had factual information to prove that he did indeed disarm. President Bush, going against all of this evidence decided not to believe the UN. So Saddam decided to present the facts to him, in a worldwide debate (proving he had nothing to hide). Bush declined again. It seems Bush stopped anything that would possibly prove that Saddam did disarm.

what is this factual information that he did disarm? the fact that they didnt find anything? a handful of inspectors searching here and ther cant find somethign if someone really wants to hide it. if saddam had proven over his carrer that he was a trustworthy person we may ahve taken his word, unfortunantly, he was a known liar and agressor. history has taught us not to believe people like him. the only reason you are so 100% behind saddam and his rpomises is because its politically expediant for you to be so, evn though it makes you look like a total jackass

Originally posted by Travh20
what is this factual information that he did disarm? the fact that they didnt find anything? a handful of inspectors searching here and ther cant find somethign if someone really wants to hide it. if saddam had proven over his carrer that he was a trustworthy person we may ahve taken his word, unfortunantly, he was a known liar and agressor. history has taught us not to believe people like him. the only reason you are so 100% behind saddam and his rpomises is because its politically expediant for you to be so, evn though it makes you look like a total jackass

All reports from the UN inspectors proved that Saddam did disarm. They searched everywhere, and found nothing. Everything that Saddam said he took care of, was checked and was proved to be destroyed. You’re right, he isn’t trustworthy. That is exactly why we put the UN inspectors into Iraq, to see if he was indeed telling the truth.

I am not behind Saddam and his promises? When did I say that? I never once said that! I don’t trust him, and I never did. That is why I supported the UN going into Iraq, and seeing if he really didn’t’ lie. How am I behind Saddam? I never once believed him, until it was proven he didn’t lie, when all reports from the UN inspectors proved he did what he said.

I am not behind it because of my political aspect. I am behind it, because it was proven wrong by the inspectors. I was supportive of the war in Afghanistan, even though many liberals opposed it. I was supportive of the Iraq war, until the UN came back empty handed. Don’t tell me I’m behind it because I’m liberal, for you have another thing coming.

they searched everywhere? LMAO, they didnt check under that rose bush in that guys backyard.