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Pepper
05-03-2004, 12:10 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A59791-2004May1?language=printer
By Jackson Diehl

Sunday, May 2, 2004; Page B07

When Ralph Nader announced his independent candidacy for president in February, he claimed his chief target would be "the giant corporation in the White House . . . George W. Bush." Two months later, a more plausible agenda is beginning to emerge. The adversary is not Bush but John F. Kerry; the main subject is not corporate greed but Iraq. And, contrary to the conventional wisdom of win- ter, Nader may be poised for a hot summer.

In February it looked as if Iraq might not be a central issue in the fall campaign. U.S casualties hit a postwar low that month, Iraqis signed a transitional constitution, and Bush and Kerry seemed to agree on the goal of establishing a democracy. Nader, according even to old friends, seemed to have no reason for his campaign other than vanity.

By two weeks ago, when Nader met Washington political reporters at a breakfast, all that had changed. Twice as many American soldiers had died during the previous week in Iraq as during the entire month of February. Support for the war was dropping quickly in polls, but Kerry and Bush still mostly agreed on staying the course. And Nader had prepared a new pitch: The United States should pull all of its troops, civilian contractors and companies out of Iraq within six months.

Why should voters choose Nader? Because Kerry, Nader told the reporters, "is stuck in the Iraq quagmire the same way Bush is." That leaves the independent as the sole choice for "the peace movement in this country."

Polls show the potential constituency for that movement is growing rapidly. A New York Times/CBS poll last week found that 46 percent of Americans now believe the United States should withdraw from Iraq as soon as possible -- a number equal to those who agree with Kerry and Bush on sticking it out. The percentage who believed the United States should have stayed out of Iraq had risen by 50 percent since December.

Nader's numbers, too, are rising. A Washington Post/ABC News poll showed him at 3 percent in early March, about equal to the 2.8 percent he polled in 2000. Five weeks later he was at 6 percent in the same poll and 5 percent in the New York Times and CNN polls. According to those polls, almost all his support has been drawn from Kerry.

Democrats have been hoping that Nader, like Ross Perot, will fade in a second campaign or fail to get on the ballot in many states.

But there is no sign that's happening. The campaign recently announced that it had raised $600,000 in its first two months, triple the amount Nader had at this time four years ago and enough to organize around the country. A spokesman told the Associated Press: "We're starting to establish ourselves as the only clear antiwar campaign."

Nader's Iraq platform is unashamedly that of a candidate who knows he will never be called upon to implement his words. He imagines U.S. troops being replaced with a U.N.-led "international peacekeeping force from neutral nations . . . and from Islamic countries," ignoring the fact that the U.N. leadership is as unwilling to conduct such an operation as Islamic and neutral countries (Turkey? Sweden?) would be to man it.

As Nader sees it, while those imaginary troops magically restored order in Fallujah and Najaf, "free and fair elections" would be held. But how would Iraqis agree on a governmental and constitutional framework? Nader admits this will be difficult but says Iraq "should be able to sort out these issues more easily" without the United States. Americans should provide humanitarian aid and help rebuild Iraq's infrastructure, he adds -- but only if no U.S. company is allowed to profit from such work.

To the extent this policy could be implemented at all, it's pretty clear where it would lead -- to "a disaster and a disgraceful betrayal of principle," to borrow the words of John Kerry. In a speech last December, Kerry stated the obvious: An early and expedient U.S. withdrawal "could risk the hijacking of Iraq by terrorist groups and former Baathists."

But will Kerry stick to this view if Nader continues to gain ground? Challenged by a pull-out-now heckler a couple of weeks ago, Kerry stiffly replied that "it would be unwise beyond belief for the United States of America to leave a failed Iraq in its wake." But he also seemed to change his conditions for departure. "Stability," not democracy, he said, was the "measure" for "getting our troops out."

Kerry's aides say he's still committed to keeping American troops in Iraq until democratic elections are held. If that's his position in November, Nader will indeed offer antiwar Americans a real choice. They may well vote for him, registering their protest in large enough numbers to reelect the president who led the country into Iraq in the first place.

LionelHutz
05-03-2004, 10:04 PM
Interesting. So does a true peacenik vote for Nader (again) and put Bush back in the White House or vote for Kerry as a less than optimal but "better than Bush" option?

Nader actually scares me a little bit. His irrational hatred of corporations (whatever their history) actually leaves me fearing for my job.

Pepper
05-04-2004, 01:02 PM
It isn't irrational. Corporations weld an enormous amount of power in this country. It has to be tempered with some good ol' fashion people power.

People who vote for bush are responsible for putting him in office.

The Republican
05-04-2004, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Pepper
People who vote for bush are responsible for putting him in office.

And I am damn proud of it too.:hitout:

LionelHutz
05-04-2004, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Pepper
It isn't irrational. Corporations weld an enormous amount of power in this country. It has to be tempered with some good ol' fashion people power.

A healthy distrust of corporations is a good thing. Nader-level distrust of corporations is irrational. I haven't worked for an evil, dishonest, underhanded corporation yet.

People who vote for bush are responsible for putting him in office.

Absolutely correct. But my point is that a peacenik could possibly have the power to get Bush out of office (in a close election) and voting for Nader would do the opposite. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I don't want Kerry in the White House but that's not going to get me to vote for Bush again.

DanF
05-05-2004, 01:02 PM
No one to vote FOR- no one to vote AGAINST.
So is the plight of the American people.
Nadar stands not a chance.
Two rich guys stand up to be counted.
Israel causes hate in the world.
Remember corporations are run by people.
People are greedy and self-serving.
Arm chair politicians make noise and nothing changes.
Hold on tight its going to get rough.

Pepper
05-05-2004, 01:13 PM
Lional you know about Nader and General motors? How they hired investigators to follow him around and dig up dirt to defame his character? They tried planting things on the guy. I can certainly understand why he is a bit distrustful.

I think if you read his critisism of corporations you'll see they are very targeted with very specific examples. It isn't always a broad stroke of the brush.

LionelHutz
05-05-2004, 07:19 PM
Oh yeah, I know about GM and Nader. (Just as aside, I wonder if he drives a car what brand it is? :D ) I will completely admit that I haven't researched him in depth by any means, but corporations seem to be a constant theme with him. To the point where he called the Presidency a corporation. Just seems sort of weird.

DanF
05-06-2004, 03:40 AM
I remember when Nadar came on the scene.
He did some good things. He was the safety watchdog against Detroit auto builders. He got seat belts, No pointed metal dashes to injure people in accidents, etc. Cost manufacturers a fortune to make cars safe. They hate him.

Pepper
05-06-2004, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by LionelHutz
Oh yeah, I know about GM and Nader. (Just as aside, I wonder if he drives a car what brand it is? :D ) I will completely admit that I haven't researched him in depth by any means, but corporations seem to be a constant theme with him. To the point where he called the Presidency a corporation. Just seems sort of weird.

It's funny you should ask that. From my understanding he does not own a car because he felt any ownership would be considered an endorsement.

Most of the money that is going to Bush and co (and kerry and co for that matter) is coming from a very small wealthy minority, and generally from corporations looking for more tax breaks, or fat government contracts.

DanF
05-06-2004, 02:01 PM
Why else would any corporation spend profits to support a candidate than for favors?
For example the figures for the American Drug manufacturers donations to Democrats AND Republicans is overwhelming.
As usual the public gets screwed. :(