Let's be realistic. This kind of shit happens in war. Fact is, this is pretty tame stuff. There are tons of photos out there of Muslim bandits slowly cutting the heads off of live captives. Try doing a little research on your own instead of relying on the news media to spoon feed you an education of how the world really works. Where was the public outcry (Meaning Arab Community) when Iraqi citizens burned and dismembered the 4 U.S. contractors? No "furor" over that incident. We're viewed as animals by the folks in this region.
Now, put yourself in a US soldier's boots. He's in a country, risking his life. He may have lost a buddy. For what? To aid a group of people that will hate him no matter what he/she does for them. Why? Because he's viewed as a Christian only because he's American. These are the same people that turn their cowardly heads when a neighbor or even family member is killed or raped or kidnapped. Not to justify the actions of the soldiers, but pull your heads out of your asses and try and add a little color to your B&W judgement of all things American.
Question is: How relative is it to the truth that this is a part of the world that will never be understood. That the majority of these people have been so conditioned that were they animals they would be put to sleep because they are a danger to the civilized world.
Those soldiers fucked up bad. Get over it. Don't let their actions take away from the hundreds who have already given their lives for this godforsaken lot of dirt known as the middle east.

Originally posted by jokermik
Let's be realistic. This kind of shit happens in war. Fact is, this is pretty tame stuff. There are tons of photos out there of Muslim bandits slowly cutting the heads off of live captives. Try doing a little research on your own instead of relying on the news media to spoon feed you an education of how the world really works. Where was the public outcry (Meaning Arab Community) when Iraqi citizens burned and dismembered the 4 U.S. contractors? No "furor" over that incident. We're viewed as animals by the folks in this region.
Now, put yourself in a US soldier's boots. He's in a country, risking his life. He may have lost a buddy. For what? To aid a group of people that will hate him no matter what he/she does for them. Why? Because he's viewed as a Christian only because he's American. These are the same people that turn their cowardly heads when a neighbor or even family member is killed or raped or kidnapped. Not to justify the actions of the soldiers, but pull your heads out of your asses and try and add a little color to your B&W judgement of all things American.
Question is: How relative is it to the truth that this is a part of the world that will never be understood. That the majority of these people have been so conditioned that were they animals they would be put to sleep because they are a danger to the civilized world.
Those soldiers fucked up bad. Get over it. Don't let their actions take away from the hundreds who have already given their lives for this godforsaken lot of dirt known as the middle east.

This happens in war? Maybe if you want to act like we did in the 60’s and 40’s? Or maybe if you wanted to act like Saddam and be just like the very man we are trying to get rid of? Wow, isn’t that just hypocritical?

So you want us to be like Muslim Bandits? Come back to earth, because you are being a complete moron. Yeah, they dismembered 4 US contractors, because we are invading their country, bombing their homes, KILLING their people, and acting inhuman to their people…of course they are pissed off.

Risking his life, because he choose to. He may have lost a buddy, well I’m sure the Iraqi citizens have lost family members, children and friends as well. Get over it? How about NOT. Saddam fucked up bad, get the FUCK over that, too. Lol, you can pull the same argument for my side. Honestly, get a fucking life. We are acting just like Saddam and you are trying to defend your president, and it just isn’t flying.

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
This happens in war? Maybe if you want to act like we did in the 60’s and 40’s? Or maybe if you wanted to act like Saddam and be just like the very man we are trying to get rid of? Wow, isn’t that just hypocritical?

So you want us to be like Muslim Bandits? Come back to earth, because you are being a complete moron. Yeah, they dismembered 4 US contractors, because we are invading their country, bombing their homes, KILLING their people, and acting inhuman to their people…of course they are pissed off.

Risking his life, because he choose to. He may have lost a buddy, well I’m sure the Iraqi citizens have lost family members, children and friends as well. Get over it? How about NOT. Saddam fucked up bad, get the FUCK over that, too. Lol, you can pull the same argument for my side. Honestly, get a fucking life. We are acting just like Saddam and you are trying to defend your president, and it just isn’t flying.


Act like we did in the 60's and 40's? Stick to one war, would you? I can think of some possible arguments for atrocities committed in Vietnam, but what are you yammering on about concerning WWII?

As for defending my President...not so. I never mentioned Bush or politics for that matter. You may be Liberal 4 Life, but I have yet to label myself one way or the other. I base my opinions on life experiences ( I've actually been more than 5 miles outside the town I was born in) and not what I'm told to believe by a party or some text book written by someone such as yourself; a person with no personal basis for her argument. And please refrain from making personal attacks. It really weakens your argument.

There are tons of photos out there of Muslim bandits slowly cutting the heads off of live captives.

Got any links to these "tons of photos"?

www.consumptionjunction.com

Originally posted by jokermik
www.consumptionjunction.com

A porn site? :confused:

i didn't click on that link, but it would make sense coming from that guy...

Okay, now I'm a pornographer. Unfortunately, this is the type of site where these videos are kept as the mainstream media won't show them. But to argue my case, and so you don't have to do any real research on subjects you've somehow become experts on. Here are two examples:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0%2C3858%2C4902057-103550%2C00.html

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/21/missing.reporter/

it's irrelevent what acutally happens, nothing can justigfy what those soldiers did. it should never happen, from either side. if we went in there to liberate them our soldiers shouldn't be treating the people like shit. we shouldn't become the type of ruler we went in there to get rid of.

Originally posted by jokermik
Okay, now I'm a pornographer. Unfortunately, this is the type of site where these videos are kept as the mainstream media won't show them.

I didn't call you a pornographer, I assumed that you had posted the wrong link.

But to argue my case, and so you don't have to do any real research on subjects you've somehow become experts on.

Ooohh...snotty eh?

I have absolutely no interest in doing research to disprove your hyperbolic statements.

As far as being an expert goes, what makes you an expert? Browsing porn sites for disgusting dismemberment videos?

I'm sure such incidents have taken place but it does not excuse the behavior of our soldiers in the least, and it certainly doesn't render their behavior irrelevant.

Let's keep this thing in perspective. Abusing prisoners of war has never, in spite of liberal for life's BULLSHIT, (and it is bullshit that america mistreats its prisoners in earlier wars) been the policy of the United States nor is it something the citizens (includes law enforcement as well) here in the U.S. will put up with. As far as Arabs are concerned, these are the same group of people who strap bombs to their children, so mistreatment of prisoners will be par for the course in Arab countries.

Also I have to take issue with the idea that Iraqis are the ones doing the fighting. Yes there are some, but the vast majority would be the Saddam Loyalists as well as so called freedom fighters from arabs seeping into Iraq and causing trouble. MOST of the trouble we have with Iraq comes from foreign "Jihadist" who have come there to oust the Americans. From that interview with Dan Senor (an American official working in Iraq and asking questions about our occupaion) I've listened to most of the Iraqis want Iraq to be soverein again, but they wish for us to be remain for security. That don't sound like a group of people who wish to attack American troops to me.