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Liberal 4 Life
04-29-2004, 07:43 PM
Since Iraq has no connection to September 11th, President Bush calls for America’s defense saying, "Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction”

Although before this statement by the president, the United Nation’s weapon’s inspectors found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Proving that Iraq did indeed disarm all of their weapons, and Bush had no justification for war. But President Bush still turns his back on an organization we are committed and invades Iraq primarily alone. Sadly, we have been in Iraq for over a year now, and we have found no trace of Saddam Hussein having any weapons of mass destruction. The “imminent” threat President Bush told us Saddam was, is in-diffidently no threat to the American people. Whether it was bad intelligence, or just plain lies, the Bush administration used deception, and the emotion after September 11th to greatly influence the support for the Iraq war.

This poor judgment by our President has made our deficit exceed to 7 trillion dollars. With this shortage of money, we are not able to properly go into Iraq, almost solely alone. The Pentagon is asking for yet another 500 billion dollars to fund the Iraq war, because of Bush’s overspending and miss calculations. When is this deficit going to end, and when are the American people going to see the positive effects of this spending?

With the limited amount of soldiers we are able to send, we cannot properly occupy two countries (Afghanistan, and Iraq), without world support. We do not have enough soldiers in Iraq, and we need to lessen the burden on us. President Bush is over stretching our army, according to many US military officials. Then he even has the guts to ask the troops to stay longer then originally planned. This all supports we cannot occupy Iraq alone. According To Yahoo News, 21 people were attacked and killed in an Iraqi prison, proving we do not have the manpower or soldiers in Iraq to keep peace.

If America had truly spent 100% of it’s energy on fighting terrorism and not in Iraq we would be much farther along in securing America. After terrorists bombed our ally Spain the world is no more peaceful than if Saddam was in office. This attack proves that taking Saddam out of power has done nothing to prevent, and effectively stop terrorists’ motives in committing terror around the world.

European Commission President, Romano Prodi, stated, "It happens in Iraq as elsewhere - Istanbul, Moscow, Madrid. The terrorism that the war in Iraq was supposed to stop is infinitely more powerful today than it was a year ago." That statement supports that this Iraq war is doing nothing but giving the terrorists more time to plot against the United States.

A poll was taken on MSNBC, and the majority of Americans are still in fear of attacks on America. They are in fear of an attack on the Olympics…and in any major city. Plus with Bush’s constant reminder to keep us in fear of terrorism, isn’t helping much. But isn’t it his job, to make us feel secure and make America safer? It seems to the majority of Americans that America is indeed less safe now, then ever before.

In this Iraq war we bomb buildings that civilians work at, and kill innocent lives, which has reached up to 10,743 civilian casualties. The civilians that we have quote “liberated” have in return attacked and killed our own troops. The Iraqi people are not happy with American patrol. With their lands in ruins, shortages of basic life necessities, they have in return revolted against American’s being in Iraq. Also, according to MSNBC, Iraqis dragged muliated bodies(who happened to be Americans) through the streets hung them from a bridge, chanting anti-American slogans. Proving the Iraqis are willing to go to elaborate lengths to attack and kill Americans in Iraq. So we are helping civilians, of which many don’t want our help or our presence.

It is un-doubtable that this Iraq war is not just. With no links to September 11th, no threat to America, for Iraq has no WMD’s. While our deficit is increasing, and the Pentagon is now asking for more…because of Bush’s miss planning. We do not have the backing of the United Nations, our troops are dying, the Iraqis are revolting, and we are indefinitely giving terrorists more time to plot against Americans.

Today:
This Poll on Yahoo, shows that the Iraqi's want America out of Iraq.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=3&u=/ap/20040429/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_poll_2

LionelHutz
04-29-2004, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
The “imminent” threat President Bush told us Saddam was, is in-diffidently no threat to the American people.

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Bush didn't say the threat was imminent!!!! He said we needed to act before the threat was imminent. To quote the signature of one of the liberals on the board, repeating a lie constantly does not make it the truth.

Sorry, but that imminent quote is starting to become a pet peave of mine.

pna43
04-29-2004, 09:46 PM
Bush was planning on starting a fight with Iraq long before 9/11. Only for his daddy. ''Love me, daddy.'' Bush was a drunk until he was 40. Bush's daddy pulled strings so G.W. wouldn't have to go to Vietnanm. G.W. had to stay here and drink more and lay on his fat ass. Bush and Bill O'Reilly masturbate furiously over old John Wayne movies. Bush is a moron!:hitout:

pna43
04-29-2004, 09:50 PM
I'm sure you Right Wingers are all in a tizzy seeing someone calling your boy for what he is. Bush is a dope. A moron. A creep. Bush must go in '04 AND HE WILL!

Travh20
04-29-2004, 11:46 PM
ya, we have never heard anyone say any of those things before :rolleyes:

pna43
04-30-2004, 03:56 AM
Let's not get all excited. I'm simply having some fun. And I believe I'm entitled to my opinion. Even if I do sound like a not real well informed moron.:p

LionelHutz
04-30-2004, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by pna43
Let's not get all excited. I'm simply having some fun. And I believe I'm entitled to my opinion. Even if I do sound like a not real well informed moron.:p

Who said you weren't entitled to your opinion?

Lungdop Philing
04-30-2004, 11:29 AM
Your entitled to your opinion as long as you don't say anything bad about the killing machine that is so much worshipped here. ROTFLMAO.

It's funny how these foreign countries act. Everytime another country illegaly invades them, kills thousands of innocent women and children, destroys their infastructure, blows up their houses of worship -- they get pissed off and ask the foreigners to leave.

If our arrogance wasn't so pathetic, it would be laughable.

Dop

DrewM
04-30-2004, 12:07 PM
Ousting Hussain was necessary - Following up on UN resolutions was necessary.

The problem is this has been managed very badly. Our risk of terrorist attacks is now higher and we have taken resources away from destroying al-quieda. In addition we have alienated a whole generation of the worlds population.

It's about the worst possible outcome.

US citizens will be paying the price of this clown show for decades to come.

LionelHutz
04-30-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Your entitled to your opinion as long as you don't say anything bad about the killing machine that is so much worshipped here. ROTFLMAO.

If you hadn't noticed Dop, the conservatives are in a clear minority here.

Lungdop Philing
04-30-2004, 07:56 PM
Disagree Lionel. This is right leaning board if there ever was one.

Dop

LionelHutz
04-30-2004, 10:16 PM
I suppose if you're as far left as you are Borg would seem like a neo-con.

Karankawa
05-01-2004, 12:06 AM
the United Nation’s weapon’s inspectors found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Proving that Iraq did indeed disarm all of their weapons

So if I go to your house and look for your head, and you decide to stick it up your @$$ to hide it from me, does that mean that you are now headless? Just wondering!

Liberal 4 Life
05-01-2004, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Karankawa
So if I go to your house and look for your head, and you decide to stick it up your @$$ to hide it from me, does that mean that you are now headless? Just wondering!

Ahh, yes but all of the weapons he may have were given to him by America. Something to think about...

Plus, you’re right he still may have had them, but I highly think he would have used them by now if he did have them, or his “followers” would have already. But they haven't....

Also we have been in Iraq for over a year, and I’m sure by a year’s time, with all of the technology we have, we would have found them by now.

Travh20
05-01-2004, 09:51 AM
liberal 4 life has it all figured out. tell us genius, what should we do now?

Lungdop Philing
05-01-2004, 11:50 AM
What a sad day -- The U.S. Marine Corp in full retreat from Fallujah which may become known as the unique experiment in all the centuries-long history of warfare; the best fighting force in the world surrounding a small, rag-tag bunch of clerics, which had to be rescued by the same army they defeated during the initial invasion. This is beyond embarrassing.

To answer trav's question, 'what do we do now?' -- answer: put some people in charge that have had military experience, not someone that has 5 vietnam deferrments. That BTW is the same number of ribbons Kerry has: LMAO.

Dop

DrewM
05-01-2004, 12:02 PM
I don't think it's embarrassing at all. There is no doubt that had the marines wanted to take the city they could have done it very easily indeed - the problem would be the amount of civilian deaths and the Iraqi backlash across the country.

Having Iraqi'es take over seems like a very smart move.

Travh20
05-01-2004, 10:00 PM
leave it to the contradicting head dop to cry about civilian casualties and call us cowards for trying to avoid that same thing. u dop, you are scum. thats right, I said you. go take your military bashing ass to berkley

DrewM
05-01-2004, 10:02 PM
Kerry was in vietnam for 4 months - big deal. He's hardly a hardened war hero. He's been riding on the back of those 4 months for the past 35 years.

Travh20
05-01-2004, 10:13 PM
he never made it out of "cherry" status. put himself in for a buch of medals and got out at the first opportunity to grandstand in front of the senate. I guess dop must worship tim mcveigh also, since he earned medals of valor in the gulf war, and since thats all that matters, and nothing that happened after, dop must think McVeigh a real hero

Liberal 4 Life
05-02-2004, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by DrewM
Kerry was in vietnam for 4 months - big deal. He's hardly a hardened war hero. He's been riding on the back of those 4 months for the past 35 years.

He got 3 purple hearts, and 2 medals. He was respected by the generals for his service also. It's so wonderful how the Republican Party tries to make Kerry look bad for at least serving, but then they themselves have nothing to back themselves up...for Bush did nothing and won't even release his documents. The republicans are speaking out of their asses, and it's beginning to annoy me. No matter how the fuck you look at it, Kerry did more...and is MORE honorable. Kerry did WAY more, then Bush. Republicans need to learn when enough is enough. Kerry served, Bush didn't. Kerry got hearts, and respect. Bush was in the Texas National Guard (or so they say) and did nothing. Overall Kerry did more, and the Republicans need to accept the fact that Kerry, beats Bush on this issue, hands down. PERIOD.

The Republican
05-02-2004, 01:09 AM
Had Kerry only served in Vietnam and received his medals that would be one thing. But the way he acted when he got back from Vietnam and his voting record in the senate to cut numerous weapons systems, military budgets, and strip funding from our intelligence is awefull. To me it is his actions since Vietnam that point Kerry to being not fit for the job of CIC.

And as for Fallujah how can a negotiated, peacefull settlement be considered a retreat. Would you have preffered us level the town and kill everyone had we gone in? I am sure that would give you a lot more to criticize about. How can our troops feel supported when liberals criticize them at every move. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Lungdop Philing
05-03-2004, 04:13 PM
This tidbit of news should change a few opinions on the Iraq war.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1083535813785&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

Seems they will be drafting women along with the men and extending the age out to 34. So, now, a guy doesn't have to just worry about losing his children to the OIL gods, but he as to worry about losing his wife and vice versa for the woman losing her husband who she thought was totally safe or maybe already did a full 4 years. ROTFLMAO.

One thing for sure -- if they really do draft women as seriously as advertised, they had better do something to protect them from the perverts or give the women the right to cap the mofo's if they try anything. One way or the other is fine with me as long as they make it safe for the women. We've already seen how perverted some of the troops are.

Wait till this draft plan gets spread around a bit. Bush is already at 46% -- how low can he go? He may have to do a LBJ.

Dop

Travh20
05-03-2004, 05:14 PM
its to bad they dont draft you and send you to the front line for a little wake up call

Lungdop Philing
05-03-2004, 05:22 PM
I doubt they will ever get hard up to the point of grabbing an old dude like me but, gee whiz, look what I see. You have 5 more years of eligibility. Better worry about yourself and not me.

Dop

Travh20
05-03-2004, 05:44 PM
I am not worried. if I am called back to serve I will go. I am only sad that you wont be there with me and the other grunts talking

Liberal 4 Life
05-03-2004, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
I am not worried. if I am called back to serve I will go. I am only sad that you wont be there with me and the other grunts talking

Maybe we will act like Bush, and be AWOL. And then you can act like John Kerry and serve.

:p

The Republican
05-03-2004, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
Maybe we will act like Bush, and be AWOL. And then you can act like John Kerry and serve.

:p

While I will admit Bush took the rich kids way out in Vietnam he did serve in the Guard and his military records show he was never AWOL. Atleast call it for what it is.

Travh20
05-03-2004, 09:53 PM
these patriots who supposedly revere the military see nothing wrong wiht disgracing the entire national guard to get a swipe in on bush. I guess they dont see the national guard as part of the military, only as a way to get out of serving your country, what a shamefuul display of "patriotism"

trunkks
05-04-2004, 07:46 PM
Irak did not let weapons inspection bevor war begin but US are wrong to attack Ira k without UN resolusjon. this are hvorfor US don't have strong militaerkoalisjon there now.

Travh20
05-05-2004, 11:01 AM
excuse me, but there were dozens of resolutions, it seems people didnt get pissed until someone actually had the gall to actually enforce one.