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P Marie C
04-27-2004, 10:12 AM
Capital Hill Blue: America's Religious War
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4457.shtml

From the article:

"Whether they are Buddhist monks, Wiccans, Episcopal priests, Methodist ministers, followers of the Dalai Lama or rabbis, etc., church officials ask for nothing short of armed conflict when they meddle in politics.
Consider how differently each group views the world. Consider how starkly religious interpretations vary not only between faiths but within faiths on such important matters as how life began or what God means.
To cast aspersions on the views of one group is to debase them all. If America is to lurch forward as a cohesive melange of peoples and cultures, and starkly opposed political and religious beliefs, we are cultivating cultural and religious warfare by translating one group's zealous beliefs into national law. Further, we do little but emulate our enemy, the Taliban, by allowing religious conviction to determine public policy."

Darth Be'lal
04-27-2004, 10:51 PM
In the words of Peter Parker's (Spiderman) editor, "Crap, crap, mega crap and crap!"

The only thing that article of yours has really shown is that Americans, by and large, believe in religion but do not wish to force it onto other people.

Our war in Iraq, and I'm guessing this is the main thrust of your argument is not to convert muslims into devout Catholics, but to intall a govt that is democratic. Not religious, but merely democratic.

Also, there was a small sound bite I ran across while watching the boob tube that was interesting. A priest conducted a poll asking if religion was a major cause of war. Most answered yes. THEN the priest asked the people to name those who have done the most damage in the 20th century. The answers where Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Dong (however you spell his name). Anyway, the thing those men had in common is that they were all about as anti-religion as you can find. So there goes that argument.

P Marie C
04-28-2004, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
In the words of Peter Parker's (Spiderman) editor, "Crap, crap, mega crap and crap!"

The only thing that article of yours has really shown is that Americans, by and large, believe in religion but do not wish to force it onto other people.

Our war in Iraq, and I'm guessing this is the main thrust of your argument is not to convert muslims into devout Catholics, but to intall a govt that is democratic. Not religious, but merely democratic.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of national laws, such as using religious ethics when arguing the gay rights or abortion debates.

Also, there was a small sound bite I ran across while watching the boob tube that was interesting. A priest conducted a poll asking if religion was a major cause of war. Most answered yes. THEN the priest asked the people to name those who have done the most damage in the 20th century. The answers where Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse Dong (however you spell his name). Anyway, the thing those men had in common is that they were all about as anti-religion as you can find. So there goes that argument.

If I were polled, I'd add Bush to that list. And, Hitler had his own weird brand of "ethics", religion, whatever you want to call it.

Darth Be'lal
04-28-2004, 06:49 PM
Marie,

Bush is more dangerous than Stalin, eh? Actually, it's people like you who are more dangerous to America than what Hitler or Stalin could ever be. You will sit wherever you are at, nice and comfortable and won't give a damn if the likes Saddam murders thousands of people, then blame Bush for attrocities when he tries to put a stop to it. People like you, blame Bush for not connecting the dots when it comes to 9/11, but supported Bill Clinton when he cut the budget for intelligence gathering all through the nineties. People like you sat down and shut up when it was a Clinton took pre-emptive actions Kosovo and in the Sudan, then you are ready to tear Bush down for doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan.


I'm stopping there, I can't deal with ignorance of the magnitude you've displayed right now.

Blibblob
04-28-2004, 07:20 PM
Using a phrase I've seen countless Republicans and Conservatives and Neo-conservatives use:
"Hindsight is 20/20".