Does anybody have a "slow topic" that they are willing to give me permission to stir up? :bike: Farm stuff is going slower than I expected. acaveyogi

Ah man!

I'm not sure what you mean yogi...

Ok...try this one...What is the source of morality?

The source of "morality" my good friend is you! :)

Now you explain to me why you are not the source of "morality". If you can? :) "hugs", acaveyogi

i would like to hear thoughts on Native stuff.....not a large represntation of native people here, but I am curious on anyone's thoughts........they have an exemplary amount of teachings on morality.....

Originally posted by acaveyogi
The source of "morality" my good friend is you! :)

Now you explain to me why you are not the source of "morality". If you can? :) "hugs", acaveyogi

Not too sure about that one. Are you saying each person defines morality for themselves??

Hey Core how is it going?!

Boy! Core you took a whole page full of answers with lots of big words and boiled it down to simple a sentence. Sheesh! :)

In answer to your question : "Yes". Each and every person who has a system of morals is the source of morality because morality has to be maintained and mandated by ones own self. Which brings up something else that is interesting: Most individuals who have a system of morals are, because of human nature, not only the source of morality but they personally are also the source of conflict. :) Example: If Vilepagan didn't have a "system of morals", then he wouldn't be in conflict with those who do. :) What do you guys think?

Hi Creetwins! How are the the kids? My take on your question, as a reader of stuff and not a Native American, was that they respected bravery and zip for fear, they respected war and hunt skills, and that for the most part morality boiled down to what was a practical necessity to keep peace within the tribe. My ancestors were for the most part Celtic and the word is that they had pretty much zip for morals. :)

Can anybody else tell us something about the "Native American" systems of morality? My love to your kids! acaveyogi

Originally posted by acaveyogi
Hey Core how is it going?!


My ancestors were for the most part Celtic and the word is that they had pretty much zip for morals. :)



But then if you went by your own philosophy, they would be the standards of their own morals.....so you could not say they had pretty much zip for morals.

I don't agree with your philosophy that we ourselves create morals. There has to be something outside of ourselves that discerns right and wrong. We don't all have to agree, but I don't think it's left up to just ourselves.

Originally posted by Core

I don't agree with your philosophy that we ourselves create morals. There has to be something outside of ourselves that discerns right and wrong. We don't all have to agree, but I don't think it's left up to just ourselves.

History, and the differences between right and wrong that we currently have on our planet, show us that morality does change with time and geography. Why would that be so if we had an external source for our morality?

Originally posted by Vilepagan
History, and the differences between right and wrong that we currently have on our planet, show us that morality does change with time and geography. Why would that be so if we had an external source for our morality?

Time and geography are external.

Core the origional question was the "source of morality". Yes I am being creative here, but I am not that far out into left field. Maybe? Fair enough? What Vilepagan was trying to present was that Christianity was the origional source of todays "Morality", and he is right. What I did was go sideways on him and place the responsibility for the conflict on the individual, not the group. Vilepage is actually a moral person and he is being told that he is not moral. Vilepagan does have a system of morals, it is just different than the majority of the group that he lives in.

I agree with you Core that "morality" is from a higher source. Morality is not natural. In nature there is no "morality". It is pork or be porked, eat or be eaten, survival of the fittest, and a might is right sort of stuff. Morality shows compassion, maybe even unconditional love. These things are not natural. Morality is like passing a bill in congress, you can attach a whole bunch of things to it and none of these things have anything to do with compassion and/or unconditional love. These other things are "This Worlds Laws" that have been turned into morals. Jesus said, "Love God mind body and soul. And love your neighbor as yourself" He said that these rules along with Him replace the old law and will bring you under the "Law of Grace". Otherwise you will be judged by the old law and the good works that you have done. acaveyogi

Agreed and nicely put.

Hi Yogi! My kids are doing great, so nice of you to ask....

Yeah you got the warrior morality right. Before entering into battle you pray your enemy will be strong and brave so's there will be no shame in killing him. There is a saying or prayer along those lines, I'll have to remember it. There is an extremely intricate and sophisticated set of ethics and morals in Native Culture, many brilliant philosophies. Connection and respect for the Elders is the first place to start when seeking guidance and wisdom. Lots of this stuff is passed down to you and isn't recoreded in writing. One of the pits of Oral history......LOTS to remember, but you'd be surprised how much you retain after hearing the tales so many times.....I'd be sooooo happy to share my culture.........if you or anyone are interested......you can ask me I like to share.......:D