I wonder if they really even have a clue as to his whereabouts. G W Bush said he would be caught dead or alive. I hope that Usama bin Laden is captured dead or alive by U.S. troops very soon (i prefer him dead or killed on sight).
:( :bike:

I';d much rather they keep him alive na interrogate him. the information he has could lead to an awful lot of progress in this "war on terror"

it will be a great day when he is captured, although I wouldnt count on it stopping terror all of a sudden. he is more a figure head than anything. he doesnt do the intricate panning and supplying.

Before going off on a new topic mod. let's finish the old one you started. You talked about bush's antiworker policies. I think its a great question.
So we can talk about it in this thread if you want or we can talk about it the original thread, either one, i don't care.
You've had lots of time to gather your thots so ....
please identify the anti-worker policies you refer to and what the alternatives where and why one set is preferable to the other.

Could be that Osama has not Bin-caught because its not close enough to election time yet. :)

At some point he will be caught...it is only a matter of time.

Originally posted by The Republican
At some point he will be caught...it is only a matter of time.

Yes, he will be caught. But in the meantime we are in Iraq...letting him run free.

Bush know were Osama binladen are but he are waiteing to get closs t o election time.

your all wrong, bush and osama are actually the same person. ever notice how you never see them in the same place at the same time?

Originally posted by Liberal 4 Life
Yes, he will be caught. But in the meantime we are in Iraq...letting him run free.

Yep thats right, we have committed all of our resources in Iraq. I am truly shocked that this comment was made without a smile or lol after it. I know you dont truly believe that we have given up on finding Bin Laden just to occupy a country of peace loving people.

Listen to what is being said very carefully, suddenly we are imposing stiffer sanctions on Syria and talking quite sternly with Iran.Do you think that we might be leveraging these countries. You know strong arm them until they tell us what we need to know.

i know why heheheh....but if i tell ya welll....... you know

On the eve of election day, Osama will be caught. The only problem is, if he is captured alive, how do we "break him down" enough to interrogate him and make him talk? Take naked pictures of him and place him in sexually compromising positions. :D

I know you dont truly believe that we have given up on finding Bin Laden just to occupy a country of peace loving people.

Oh. My. God.

The only problem is, if he is captured alive, how do we "break him down" enough to interrogate him and make him talk? Take naked pictures of him and place him in sexually compromising positions.

Do you really think that will do it?

Capturing him will not change anything anyway.

Unfortuanately the Iraq situation has taken us into a whole new world.

Golddigger - welcome to AllForums :)

Thank you very much. :)

Uh, no. Naked pictures probably will NOT force him to talk. I'm thinking that it must be MUCH more severe torture. I'd love to have a crack at him myself. :D

the republican, beirut veteran, saycricket.........you guys believe everything......i have swamp land waiting for you stupid fucks.....

Originally posted by korg
you guys believe everything......

You apparently believe everything the Democrats tell you. (And no, thinking that Rush was correct about McNabb does not make you an independent.)

i have swamp land waiting for you stupid fucks.....

Very intelligent debate there. Your parents must be so proud . . .

if we had a snarling dog tugging at the leash a few feet from osamas balls Ted Kennedy would call it a attrocity and call for rumsfelds resignation.

I agree, and I also feel that Ted Kennedy shouldn't be using words he can't spell like attrocity. :)

well if u think u could do a better job, u find Usama!


Debug, inflamed

first of all lionel putz, im wasnt talking to or about you, but since you felt the need to be involved, first, im not a dem or a rep. i am my own man with my own mind, whether it be right or wrong. funny thing is, no one on this site has their own mind, you all sound like bush wipes to me. funny, no one thinks for themselves but call me a dem follower......wrong. and PUTZ, you mentioned that you have better things to do with your time....... WHAT ?! everytime i come here to reply , i see your name... but , you bush turd, as you can see, i put laughter after the mcnabb comment, but, thats right, you act like a rep so you only SEE WHAT YOU WANT. talk about intelligent conversation, you sound like a winner, i bet your parents believe in abortion NOW ! .....when i tried to have reasonable conversation, even in fun, all you guys did was rip me, and then tell me to have intelligent convo........but, if all of you believe the same thing, why have a forum......differences in belief is what is suppose to make this interesting, but you guys drink from the same toilet.......df's........but, if you want to know the real truth behind the lie, just keep listening...........haliburton !!! df's

well if u think u could do a better job, u find Usama!

I can imagine how honored Mr. Kennedy must feel having some one of your obviously unparalleled intellect in his corner.

Originally posted by Debug
well if u think u could do a better job, u find Usama!
Okay, I will. Just give me an Army the size of ours and I'll get right on it.

Originally posted by Golddigger
I can imagine how honored Mr. Kennedy must feel having some one of your obviously unparalleled intellect in his corner.

just what we need, another know it all upity liberal looking down their nose at us from their ivory tower. spelling nazis are not looked upon well in this forum golddigger

Lol, I can see why.

What makes you think I'm a liberal?

Might want to check out the thread I posted.

It just bothers me when people type "u" instead of "you"...I don't know why....

Korg-

Just a clarification on me being able to think for myself. All of my ideas and beliefs I have formulated for myself. Because they happen to coincide with President Bush and the Republican party is why I am a registered Republican, Support the GOP, and will vote for President Bush. There are a lot of people on both sides that are this way and many Democrats are registered that way, support the GOP, and will vote for Kerry because their ideas and opinions are in line with his and the DNC.

if you are not liberal my apologies. when you have been here as long as I you will learn to shoot first and ask questions later

Originally posted by korg
when i tried to have reasonable conversation, even in fun, all you guys did was rip me, and then tell me to have intelligent convo

Since when is name calling "intelligent conversation?" Or even just intelligent? But whatever, I promise to leave you alone. :rolleyes:

I am an Independent but what are people going to say if Kerry is elected and all of America's problems are not solved.
I have never seen a candidate for President before where his supporters talked more about his platform than the candidate did.
I have not heard any concrete plans from Kerry himself.
I keep hearing what he is against. I would like to know what he plans to do, if elected.

He gave a speech a week or so ago that impressed me. I watched the whole speech on CNN. He laid out exactly what he would do regarding Iraq.

the fact of the matter is, kerry cant fix this problem, no one can. thats why i think that bush has to be re-elected. let him wash his own toilet, that way, if he fixes it....hurray, if he doesn't, i never thought he could anyway. but a democrat would have to be an idiot to want the job now.

hey hutz.......i said reasonable. there you go again taking things out of context....republican 101 huh ?

I'm not offended.... :) I wouldn't even say I fall into any particular catagory, I just lean towards the conservative for many reasons, only one of which is because I'm from Dallas....I also believe in people taking responsibility for themselves and their actions and the "if you don't like something, change it" mentality. Liberals tend to lack in both areas.

Are there any other women on this board at all ?

htere are a few little girls, not many women though

<=========== Got one.


The idea of Kerry trying to clean up what Bush started terrifies me. I missed the speech he gave though, anyone want to tell me his basic ideas?

Golddigger -- here's a woman who agrees with you on the Kerry cleaning up issue.

However, I'm even more terrified that Bush stays in office and makes the situation even worse for us...both here and overseas. Our reputation has been tarnished for the next God know how many years.

Why is it that we are worried about our reputation. If the world leans toward protecting terrorist or are afraid to do anything then of course their opinion of us would be bad. Like I tell my kids, dont worry what the other kids think, do whats right and hold you head high.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Why is it that we are worried about our reputation. If the world leans toward protecting terrorist or are afraid to do anything then of course their opinion of us would be bad. Like I tell my kids, dont worry what the other kids think, do whats right and hold you head high.

Our reputation means everything. You really are turning backwards. If we were ever in need of help, no one would help us. If we needed materials, no one would help us. If we needed anything, and we ruin our world reputation now, no one will want to do anything for us.

Bush wanted some UN assistance (I believe) and they won’t, because of us leaving the UN, and going to war without their approval. That is just an example of how screwing our reputation, will ruin us in the end.

Only 38% approve of how the Iraq War is going. So if the world and the majority of YOUR people, don’t support YOUR war, maybe you should reconsider.

Besides if we ruin our reputation, what will that do? It will only create more examples for the terrorists to use against us and form them to be able to recruit more men for their organizations.

The thing that has ruined our reputation is the fact, of the prisoner abuse. It makes us, look exactly like the very people we call “evil”. In return making us look hypocritical…in the worlds eyes.

If you are apart of a world community, you don’t just get to “do what you want, when you want to”. It’s just not how it works, and sometimes you have to compromise and not just leave the world and make a one-man decision.

Sure do what’s right, but if what is right, means ruining our world reputation, creating more hate for America, and turning almost 62% of Americans against the Iraq War, then maybe what is “right” really isn’t.

It’s childish to be like, well we are the strongest country, so we can do what we want because we believe it is “right”. But if France or some other country that isn’t as strong as us, did something they believed is “right” and we opposed it, they wouldn’t be able to do it. So that example you provided only works for the United States.

So doing the right thing is only right if it is popular?
Should we allow the world to dictate to us our own security?
If the schools are teaching you guys that rights is only right if it is popular then maybe we should rethink our entire school system.
Do you have any friends who are so unpopular that you dont admit to being their friend? Not an insult but a question.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
So doing the right thing is only right if it is popular?
Should we allow the world to dictate to us our own security?
If the schools are teaching you guys that rights is only right if it is popular then maybe we should rethink our entire school system.
Do you have any friends who are so unpopular that you dont admit to being their friend? Not an insult but a question.

Our own security? Please, dear lord. President Bush has made us less secure…Al Quidea membership growing huge, attacks on the way…so actually maybe we should listen to the world and almost half of Americans because well, this war didn’t make us more secure, but less secure.

I believe in things that aren’t popular, “gay marriage”. But the sad thing is, I rethought about what I believed because of the majority. But I still believe in Gay marriage. Yet, I have reasons for it.

President Bush has no more reasons for being in Iraq, in my opinion. He made us less secure by going into Iraq, because he handled it so poorly.

If you notice, almost 90% of Americans supported the war in the beginning. But now it’s down to about 38% supporting the war. So it was a popular idea at one point, and now it isn’t…which further proves that this isn’t the right thing, because people who did agree with it, now don’t…so it’s just ironic how that works out.

I do not have really any friends that would be considered “un-popular”. I’m friends with almost every “group” at my school, and people don’t really care who you are friends with…actually.

Ok so you live in Perfectville and everyone likes everyone else. But seriously I know why the popularity has dropped, we are a nation of people who want it all right now, cant wait. Ever hear people waiting in line at McDonalds for 5 minutes? they start to complain and some even walk out. We also have brought a generation of AMericans who want it done but by someone else and will support something as long as they dont have to get dirty.
I know this because I have been raising kids for 24 years and have meet hundreds of young people who feel this way. Look at TV, what do most of the commercials preach? Speed, dont wait, we are the fastest, the easiest. Dont get dirty, let us do it for you. This countries population is spoiled and it shows. No great nations has been built upon a foundation of speed and ease nor been supported by shoulders of intolerance.

The need for speed has always been around in America. Do you remember…our country has only been around for a short while, yet we have grown to become the superpower of the world, quickly. We have always been about speed. The real reason people do not support this war, is because we are less safe now, then ever before. Even though Bush promised this war would bring us security.

It has ruined our reputation, we have made so great in our few hundred years of our existence. We are now shamed on by the OK of Prisoner Abuse, making our judgments look no better then the terrorists themselves. This war is brining us more enimies, in Al Quidea...That is why people are against it.

It’s not the speed of the war, it’s the way it has been handled.

I never said it was the speed of the war, I said it was the people who believe if it takes longer than primetime its a failure. This country maybe young but it was not built fast. The war that one our freedom from England lasted longer than the war you are claiming was a failure.
No one said that the abuse was ok, I have preached that we need to convict all involved and support the remaining troops. What has given me a bad taste for the new voice of America is that if an American does something wrong it should be denounced without hesitation but if a terrorist beheads an innocent man then it was justified because of course they did, they dont know better, it our fault, we brought it on ourselves.
You know that abused spouses make the same rationale, it wasnt the fault of the perp but that of the victim.

Convict Rumsfield for the OK in Afghanistan and the Iraq Abuse. The soldiers are not to blame, it is the chain of command. I’ll talk to you tomorrow…it’s 12:30 at night and I have school tomorrow.

I’ll be waiting to reply to your posts in the morning…so get ready. Bye

They are as much to blame as he is. If you are told to kill someone and you do it are you guilty?

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
They are as much to blame as he is. If you are told to kill someone and you do it are you guilty?

Don't you have to follow orders, no matter what?

The soliders are guilty, but only to a certain extent. The "Top Officials" who allowed and approved of this should be tried as well. They were the ones who approved it in two countries, in up to 6 different camps, that we know about.

The fact is, it's not just a "one night, screw up"...it was an ongoing problem, that has screwed our reputation.

What "reputation" Overdose?

Originally posted by Overdose
Don't you have to follow orders, no matter what?

The soliders are guilty, but only to a certain extent. The "Top Officials" who allowed and approved of this should be tried as well. They were the ones who approved it in two countries, in up to 6 different camps, that we know about.

The fact is, it's not just a "one night, screw up"...it was an ongoing problem, that has screwed our reputation. your right o.d. im not trying to be funny, but its just like a" few good men", those guys were guilty, but the order from up top made the higher ups more guilty......." they cant handle the truth" overdose. keep em on their toes man

Once again we are talking about things you guys havent experienced. In the military you are obligated to disobey an unlawful order. They preach to you that if you recieve an order that you believe is unlawful and they told us especially if it puts you or those you are responsible for in harms way. You must refuse it and report immediatetly to an officer higher in the chain of command. If that is not available then an officer out side of your chain of command when available. And in a fixed prison environment there are alot of options available. SO see they are guilty as well. All who are guilty must be punished.

Originally posted by korg
your right o.d. im not trying to be funny, but its just like a" few good men", those guys were guilty, but the order from up top made the higher ups more guilty......." they cant handle the truth" overdose. keep em on their toes man
I speak nothing but truth. SO maybe you cant handle it.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
I speak nothing but truth. SO maybe you cant handle it. beirut, im not trying to straddle the fence, but you make some good points, and being who you are (veteran) , you would know more than me....i just know how i've felt all along, and its good to see you and overdose go at it, because although i agree with o.d...you are a very crafty veteran who knows his shit. its like, how can 2 people be on such opposite sides but both make such valid points

Because Korg there is no black and white, there is no clear evidence yet to support either side but if we look at past actions of Hussein we must use that history to fill in the blanks in evidence. It is done all the time in cicumstantial cases in this country.

I just heard about the bin Laden tape friday. It's amazing to me that the Bush administration claims that they were just informed of the tapes existance. I wonder if they were telling the truth, or just mentioning it just in time to coincide with the election. Anyway yes the tape is bin Laden, but it seems highly suspect on Bush's part to just inform us. More than likely they've known about this tape for at least two weeks or so at least. I don't believe that they just found out.

After 9/11, Bush promised to the American people that bin Laden would be captured dead or alive. He has not lived up to that promise. What does he think he should be given four more years to do it? Bush has already had three and a half years. I don't think he deserves another chance. He has failed to accomplish this objective, and instead got the U.S. involved in a war in Iraq under questionable reasons, reasons that turned out to false or outright deceptions. Bush should have focused on bin Laden and al-Qaeda before diverting into something else.

When Kerry becomes president he will make capturing bin Laden his number one priority. Even if it means removing troops from Iraq, and re-deploying them to Afghanistan. More troops are needed to do this.

Everyone believes that bin Laden is somewhere in Pakistan. The Pakistani government should be asked to search for bin Laden on their side of the border and throughout their country, while our troops continue to look on the Afghani side. Ask them if they think they will need assistance from us to do this. If they say no that wouldn't be a good idea. If they don't want help, then they should step up their efforts to find him.

Otherwise, tell them that we will go into Pakistan with or without their approval ourselves and look for him. If they object to our course of action and won't allow our troops to cross the border then they will face an attack from the U.S. to remove their government. As G W Bush has said "If you're not with us, then you're against us."

Pakistan isn't a free, Democratic country. Musharrif wasn't elected, he was placed in charge of Pakistan by the military. He is nothing more than a dictator. The only thing they want from the U.S. is money, and weapons. That can be stopped, and we can and should impose economic sanctions to get them to cooperate, and use war if necessary. If they are harboring bin Laden and won't turn him over, then they are our enemy as well.

Quote:
"It's bad enough when someone does something wrong to you. It's even worse when you do it to yourself, and stupid as well"

Vote KERRY/EDWARDS, to win the war on terror!!

Originally posted by Golddigger
Oh. My. God.



Do you really think that will do it?

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It's a dark day in America and the rest of the world. What a shameful disgrace that people were stupid and voted to reaffirm a mistake by re-electing that idiot George W. Bush.

We had a chance to elect a great president that John Kerry would have been, instead we ended up with a joke again. I hope that Bush's fascism loving voters realize what a disservice they've done to us all. Bush doesn't do anything that's in the country's best interest. It will only be "more of the same."

I'm not happy for America, and i'm definately not happy for Bush. He may be president, but not to me. I should have known that God would do something to crush our country's hopes and dreams. I didn't know he would be that cruel.

Let's remember a better day is coming when Bush's second term is over, or if something unfortunate happens to him and ends it sooner. Till then we'll have to "suffer the fool gladly." ;)

Originally posted by Mopeder04
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It's a dark day in America and the rest of the world. What a shameful disgrace that people were stupid and voted to reaffirm a mistake by re-electing that idiot George W. Bush.

We had a chance to elect a great president that John Kerry would have been, instead we ended up with a joke again. I hope that Bush's fascism loving voters realize what a disservice they've done to us all. Bush doesn't do anything that's in the country's best interest. It will only be "more of the same."

I'm not happy for America, and i'm definately not happy for Bush. He may be president, but not to me. I should have known that God would do something to crush our country's hopes and dreams. I didn't know he would be that cruel.

Let's remember a better day is coming when Bush's second term is over, or if something unfortunate happens to him and ends it sooner. Till then we'll have to "suffer the fool gladly." ;)

I was actually surprised when Bush won because every radio station, every TV station, even BBC, every newspaper was Bush bashing 24/7. I was beginning to think I was the only idiot voting for him but I see I am in good company.

We were all told to vote for Kerry but some of us just didn't listen. We must be idiots or else we just think for ourselves instead of obeying the media.


old reb

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Yep thats right, we have committed all of our resources in Iraq. I am truly shocked that this comment was made without a smile or lol after it. I know you dont truly believe that we have given up on finding Bin Laden just to occupy a country of peace loving people.

Listen to what is being said very carefully, suddenly we are imposing stiffer sanctions on Syria and talking quite sternly with Iran.Do you think that we might be leveraging these countries. You know strong arm them until they tell us what we need to know.

Beirut,
I love it..... If people would just read between the lines..... How bout this? We know where Bin Ladin is, watchin' him, gathering intelligence..... root out as many of these terrorists as possible, and kill them. Works for me. Semper Fi Beirut.

Originally posted by Overdose
Our own security? Please, dear lord. President Bush has made us less secure…Al Quidea membership growing huge, attacks on the way…so actually maybe we should listen to the world and almost half of Americans because well, this war didn’t make us more secure, but less secure.

I believe in things that aren’t popular, “gay marriage”. But the sad thing is, I rethought about what I believed because of the majority. But I still believe in Gay marriage. Yet, I have reasons for it.

President Bush has no more reasons for being in Iraq, in my opinion. He made us less secure by going into Iraq, because he handled it so poorly.

If you notice, almost 90% of Americans supported the war in the beginning. But now it’s down to about 38% supporting the war. So it was a popular idea at one point, and now it isn’t…which further proves that this isn’t the right thing, because people who did agree with it, now don’t…so it’s just ironic how that works out.

I do not have really any friends that would be considered “un-popular”. I’m friends with almost every “group” at my school, and people don’t really care who you are friends with…actually.
Beirut,
Some people only take into account their "personal needs/beliefs" ..... Maybe it's the upbringing, parenting.... who knows.... America wasn't very "popular" back before the Revolutionary War either..... hmmmm... I hope everyone likes us.......hmmmmm, Let's see, Is that a Thomas Paine quote????