I read this yesterday and have thought about it all day and night. Would love to hear any comments.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20030325.shtml

I mean I know it a year old, but I digress to say I had not heard of this. The journalist really hit me....my feeling, he nailed it. For me, it seemed like he nailed what is going on in our own country.

The author obviously thinks that this young woman was misguided in who she chose to protest against. I wasn't terribly convinced by his arguments.

He portrays Israel and the US as countries that are fighting against evil, and that's fine as long as you accept the premise that neither country has perpetrated any evil in the process, or that evil comitted in the act of fighting evil is acceptable. I have no trouble with Israel defending itself against terrorism, but this young woman wasn't protesting Israel's motives, she was protesting their methods. Bulldozing the homes of the families of suspected terrorists is wrong, and that's what this woman was protesting.

Blowing up innocent civilians with a suicide bomb is wrong, and so is running someone over with a bulldozer.
The author would have you believe that Israel is merely the victim of evil terrorists, and he also erroneously suggests that palestinian society is to blame for the existence of this evil. All in all, I think it was a poorly written article, written by someone with a very narrow outlook on the conflict in the Palestinian territories.

I guess I was more interested in "The world is filled with evil, and young idealists like Rachel Corrie don't like it. Which is lovely. But they don't confront real evil because they know they will get hurt. That's one reason there are no "peace activists" or "human shields" confronting Islamic terror, North Korean totalitarianism, or Chinese Communist despotism." That to me was a pretty bold statement. I mean when I read this article I got so upset with this woman. I honest thought in my head, there goes another stupid idiot.

I absolutely agree with Vilepagan.
One quote from this article :
" In the name of saving children's lives, Rachel Corrie chose to defend a society that teaches its young children to blow themselves up and which deliberately targets children for death. And Rachel Corrie went to America's enemies to burn her country's flag."

This statement is really twisted. It makes the whole palestinian society responsible for terrorism - all guilty, and by a non argumented shortcuts, all America's enemies ! So anyone who stands for palestinian people would support America's enemies ! This is a very dishonest reasoning.

i looked at the archives to read other chronicles from this guy. A total caricature !
A few quotes :

"the more religious the person, the more likely he is to be concerned with fighting dangerous people than with fighting dangerous foods. Thus, the evangelical Christian George W. Bush is preoccupied with fighting Saddam Hussein while the more liberal members of society are concerned with fighting tobacco, acrylamide and infinitesimal amounts of arsenic in drinking water."

"Eleven thousand unnecessary deaths occurred in France largely because socialism inevitably breeds hedonism, selfishness, and callousness."

etc…

Originally posted by astrapol2
I absolutely agree with Vilepagan.
One quote from this article :

This statement is really twisted. It makes the whole palestinian society responsible for terrorism - all guilty, and by a non argumented shortcuts, all America's enemies ! So anyone who stands for palestinian people would support America's enemies ! This is a very dishonest reasoning.

Good Lord, "anyone who stands for palentinian people would support America's enemies"???? She is burning an American flag! Even without jouranlist commentary, is it not obvious that she might not be siding with America??

Core, the pro palestinian liberals who see the isralis reacting to palestinian suicide bombings as just as evil as the suicide bombers probably sees burning the american flag as the most patriotic thing you can possibly do. they would not see ita s anti american to burn the flag, bu just the opposite, in their eyes she was more patriotic then most regualr americans. I know its a twisted point of view, but somehow they have convinced themselve that being patriotic is attacking the military and president as liars and baby killers. if you support the prez and the war and wave a flag you are a mindless robot who has been suckered

Do you think that because she burned an american flag in protest, she should be run over by a bulldozer?

I don't think that because she was protesting the bulldozing of people's homes that she was "siding with america's enemies". I can disagree with america's foreign policies without "hating america", or wishing for its destruction. It's rather simplistic to suggest that because she felt it was wrong to bulldoze people's homes, she was "siding" with terrorists. I think it's wrong to bulldoze the homes of suspected terrorists families, but that doesn't mean I agree with the terrorists.

If she was evil and deserved her fate, why did the Israeli government claim, unbelievably, that her death was an accident? If they felt they were right to run her over with a bulldozer, why didn't they just come out and say "she was a terrorist sympathizer, so we killed her"?

Which again is supportive of the point " But they don't confront real evil because they know they will get hurt." Just like instead of blaming terrorists for evil, they blame America and the prez....I don't get it.

Originally posted by Travh20
Core, the pro palestinian liberals who see the isralis reacting to palestinian suicide bombings as just as evil as the suicide bombers probably sees burning the american flag as the most patriotic thing you can possibly do. they would not see ita s anti american to burn the flag, bu just the opposite, in their eyes she was more patriotic then most regualr americans. I know its a twisted point of view, but somehow they have convinced themselve that being patriotic is attacking the military and president as liars and baby killers. if you support the prez and the war and wave a flag you are a mindless robot who has been suckered

Trav, you should stick to expounding your own beliefs because you do a lousy job of telling the truth when it comes to explaining how "liberals" think, or feel.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vilepagan
[B]Do you think that because she burned an american flag in protest, she should be run over by a bulldozer?

I NEVER SAID THAT AT ALLLLLLL.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
If they felt they were right to run her over with a bulldozer, why didn't they just come out and say "she was a terrorist sympathizer, so we killed her"?

LMAO!!! haha...

But seriously, I think I will side with the journalist....it's very lovely that she did not want the house bulldozed, so much that she gave her life to a bulldozer. But when you ask if I think she should have been run over, probably not as much as I think she glorified in it. Stupid stupid stupid girl

I know, everytime I repeat what liberals say, they dont like what they see and deny it, funny how that works.

Originally posted by astrapol2
i looked at the archives to read other chronicles from this guy. A total caricature !
A few quotes :

"the more religious the person, the more likely he is to be concerned with fighting dangerous people than with fighting dangerous foods. Thus, the evangelical Christian George W. Bush is preoccupied with fighting Saddam Hussein while the more liberal members of society are concerned with fighting tobacco, acrylamide and infinitesimal amounts of arsenic in drinking water."

"Eleven thousand unnecessary deaths occurred in France largely because socialism inevitably breeds hedonism, selfishness, and callousness."

etc…

I love this btw, thanks for posting astrapol2

Originally posted by Travh20
I know, everytime I repeat what liberals say, they dont like what they see and deny it, funny how that works.

Feel free to quote what I post any time Trav, but you can't do that and support your argument, so you make up outrageous statements and attribute them to ALL liberals.

Example:
I know its a twisted point of view, but somehow they have convinced themselve that being patriotic is attacking the military and president as liars and baby killers.

Show me where ANYONE said that being patriotic means you have to call the president and military liars and baby killers... can you?

Originally posted by Core
Which again is supportive of the point " But they don't confront real evil because they know they will get hurt." Just like instead of blaming terrorists for evil, they blame America and the prez....I don't get it.

Again, you seem to be saying that since she felt the bulldozing of these houses was wrong, she must have been "for" the terrorists. I think that is a very simplistic way of looking at things.

So, based on the "stupid girl", what do you consider patriotic? I'm trying to figure out why she had the American flag in the first place. I do think that Trav has a little problem with overgeneralizing "liberals", however there is definitely an anti-American aire to the majority of liberals I talk with....and I think he hit the nail on the head as far as lovely Rachel Corrie.

pagan, you always tell people they are looking at things to simplistically or in black and white, while never stopping to consider that there is such a thing as over complicating an issue

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Again, you seem to be saying that since she felt the bulldozing of these houses was wrong, she must have been "for" the terrorists. I think that is a very simplistic way of looking at things.

No, please let me clarify, I think it's personally gratifying for her to feel bulldozing houses was wrong. I think that you throw up questions when you include a political statement such as burning an American flag while or before you are crunched under a bulldozer. And the truth is always simple, it's lies that much things up for everyone.

Trav, Core, lets look at things realsitically here: you can be a zionist and still support the palestinians. not the terrorists, but the palestinian people. most palestinians are not terrorists, and the main problem I had with the article was that it essnetially stated that. I'm personally a zionist who thinks there should be a palestinian state. I wouldn't go around burning American flags to protest it, but I don't agree with Israle and the U.S.'s methods with dealing with the terrorists. neither country is perfect and, and I will repeat, there is nothing wrong with criticizing the government.

Originally posted by Travh20
pagan, you always tell people they are looking at things to simplistically or in black and white, while never stopping to consider that there is such a thing as over complicating an issue

Of course it's possible to overcomplicate an issue. If you feel that I'm doing that here, please explain how.

Originally posted by Core
No, please let me clarify, I think it's personally gratifying for her to feel bulldozing houses was wrong.

If you're saying that she felt she was doing the right thing, I agree with you.

I think that you throw up questions when you include a political statement such as burning an American flag while or before you are crunched under a bulldozer.

Like what questions?

And the truth is always simple, it's lies that much things up for everyone.

I have to disagree with you. The truth is rarely simple. If you think the truth is simple regarding the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, then you should be able to describe that truth in simple terms...can you?

Originally posted by WhammyBar
Trav, Core, lets look at things realsitically here: you can be a zionist and still support the palestinians. not the terrorists, but the palestinian people. most palestinians are not terrorists, and the main problem I had with the article was that it essnetially stated that. I'm personally a zionist who thinks there should be a palestinian state. I wouldn't go around burning American flags to protest it, but I don't agree with Israle and the U.S.'s methods with dealing with the terrorists. neither country is perfect and, and I will repeat, there is nothing wrong with criticizing the government.

Whammy,
All I'm trying to say is, in the same instance that not all palestinians are terrorists, not all harms of war are the faults of Americans. I'm glad that you wouldn't go around burning the flag to protest Israle and US methods. I'm not sure we know all there is to know about this, nor will we ever. It's just that flag is representative of me. It something that I choose to believe in, it's something that defines an aspect of me. When you burn it and mock it, you in return mock and burn me. I agree that there is nothing wrong with criticizing the goverment, I just get frustrated with people that focus more attention to criticizism than action. (God this is melodramatic) my apologies....

I totally understand getting emotional about this kind of stuff. It's hard for me to watch the news becasue every time something about Israel comes on it makes me start worrying about freinds and family there. it really bothers me when people burn American flags in the name of liberal causes because it only alienates us from achieving our goals.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
If you're saying that she felt she was doing the right thing, I agree with you.


Like what questions?
Well for a start WHY?


I have to disagree with you. The truth is rarely simple. If you think the truth is simple regarding the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, then you should be able to describe that truth in simple terms...can you?
Not to you. That's the problem

Originally posted by WhammyBar
I totally understand getting emotional about this kind of stuff. It's hard for me to watch the news becasue every time something about Israel comes on it makes me start worrying about freinds and family there. it really bothers me when people burn American flags in the name of liberal causes because it only alienates us from achieving our goals.

Well said my friend

Originally posted by Core
Not to you. That's the problem

Well, with this statement you imply that the Palestinian/Israeli conflict can be accurately described in terms of simple, moral, absolutes. Please do.

Wow....where did you get that? What is on your mind Vile?

Originally posted by Core
Wow....where did you get that? What is on your mind Vile?

Where did I get that? from these statements:

I wrote:
I have to disagree with you. The truth is rarely simple. If you think the truth is simple regarding the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, then you should be able to describe that truth in simple terms...can you?

You wrote:
Not to you. That's the problem.

You seem to be saying that you could so describe the conflict, just not to me...

How do you see the conflict in moral terms?

Hmmmm,
Well let me just say that my comment was leaning more towards, no matter what I say, you would complicate it. I don't really think I was going for the whole "moral debate" as much as you seem so eager for it.

The Palestinians, and most of the world for that matter, want Israel to disapear. Israel wishes to survive. Now, seeing as how Israel has repelled a series of armies, the arabs now realize that Israel can't be taken by direct force. So, the Palestinians still fight, but now it's in the form of terrorism. People who are terrorists, blend in with the Palestinians they HIDE behind the Palestinians, and lash out at Israel every chance they get. Now, when an army hides behind civilians, the potential for some very ugly things to happen becomes a reality. Hence what happened to Rachel Corrie. It's also what happens in Iraq.


I also agree with what Dennis Prager, the author of the Townhall article, said about Rachel. Rachel hated the evil and violence that happens in Israel. But she chose the side that advocates terrorism (Palestine) because she felt that Israel, a democratic, moral country wouldn't kill her purposefully. She thought she could make a difference and maybe help bring about peace. What she got was dead.

YEP YEP!

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
The Palestinians, and most of the world for that matter, want Israel to disapear.

I doubt most of the world wants Israel to go away. if that was true it would be gone by now, because radical anti-Israel governemnts would have taken over all of the countries in the middle east and defeated it.

heres a picture of the little girl, above all, she was a patriot

:bike:

No pun intended.....about the bike and all.....and the bulldozer.....and the bulldozer running.....nevermind

ya its to bad there wasnt a smiley of a bulldozer running over someone burning the american flag. can that be done moderators?

why do you care more about a piece of cloth then a human life?

Because American troops put their lives on the line everyday for that piece of cloth. And when an american burns it and rips it in the middle of struggling children, our american soldiers are more at risk for being dead.

It wasn't cloth. It was paper. And it's a thing called protest. It caught your attention, did it not. That's the point of burning the damn flag. To catch your attention, it isn't the whole of the protest.

Originally posted by Blibblob
It wasn't cloth. It was paper. And it's a thing called protest. It caught your attention, did it not. That's the point of burning the damn flag. To catch your attention, it isn't the whole of the protest.

D'UH!!!!!!!!

Whammy,

The only country on the planet that supports Israel is the U.S., and to be honest we don't do all that great of a job.

Oh, that Rachel girl looks to be in a real snit, doesn't she?

Originally posted by Blibblob
It wasn't cloth. It was paper. And it's a thing called protest. It caught your attention, did it not. That's the point of burning the damn flag. To catch your attention, it isn't the whole of the protest.


Blibblob, how many people do you think really take the time to read the whole article?

In this country if you burn the american flag you are a patriot, if you burn a rainbow flag you are a monster. what the hell happend to this place?

Ah, you changed your avatar.......I was like who is this new masked man? hahahaha. Sorry, NOW BACK TO FLAG BURNING!

Well Travh,

SUPPOSEDLY, the average all American "Joe Six Pack" type is supposed to be critical of what the govt is doing. At least that's what I heard on a news commentary one night. Critical of govt, unless, of course, it's a democratic President running things, then you shut up, take your hat off, bow your head and believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

Proof? Where were all these war protestors when Clinton was galivanting around Kosovo, Somalia and bombing asprin factories in the Sudan?

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Well Travh,

SUPPOSEDLY, the average all American "Joe Six Pack" type is supposed to be critical of what the govt is doing. At least that's what I heard on a news commentary one night. Critical of govt, unless, of course, it's a democratic President running things, then you shut up, take your hat off, bow your head and believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

Proof? Where were all these war protestors when Clinton was galivanting around Kosovo, Somalia and bombing asprin factories in the Sudan?

They were watching a recorded version of Clinton playing the saxaphone on Late Shows.

Too bad they didn't listen to issues. Geez!

No pun intended.....about the bike and all.....and the bulldozer.....and the bulldozer running.....nevermind
LOL!

Are you guys serious? Do you really consider her act of burning the flag patriotic? I'm not a blonde (really) and I don't get this at all. I've always been appalled when someone burns our flag - it's the most damning slap in the face to an American, IMO. The pic that Trav posted with her doing that in the midst of children is rather alarming.
The Palestinians, and most of the world for that matter, want Israel to disapear. I don't totally agree with this either. I think I was absent from history class when this was being taught.

Originally posted by saycricket
Are you guys serious? Do you really consider her act of burning the flag patriotic? I'm not a blonde (really) and I don't get this at all. I've always been appalled when someone burns our flag - it's the most damning slap in the face to an American, IMO. The pic that Trav posted with her doing that in the midst of children is rather alarming.
I, personally, think it's a very extreme sign of protest that I would not want to participate in, unless the government did something REALLY, REALLY appalling. And the act of burning the flag is, in itself, unpatriotic because of what the flag represents.

That said, it's a form of protest that is protected by the First Amendment, so I wouldn't presume to stop someone from doing it, if they so desired.

Originally posted by saycricket
LOL!

Are you guys serious? Do you really consider her act of burning the flag patriotic? I'm not a blonde

Ummmmm....did you read the whole thread?? I am blond.. and I still think that what ever your hair color.....you didn't get the thread. But I still think you have wonderful things to say. ROCK ON sister cricket. You and Whammybar and someone else I thought was a guy but can't remember.....you guys/girls are awesome.

Flag burning may be offensive to most people, but it is not illegal. While most states have laws against flag-burning, the US Supreme Court case, Texas V Johnson, ruled those laws unconstitutional as violating the first amendment.

What is illegal, is using the flag for commercial purposes, something we see every day, and something that is never prosecuted. Is it really more offensive to see someone burn the flag in protest or to see Kid Rock wear the flag like a shawl during half-time at the Super Bowl, or to see someone make the flag into a pair of underwear?

Another point that can be made is that since flag-burning is done by the Boy Scouts,(it's the only way to properly dispose of an old flag), when you punish someone for burning a flag you are not punishing them for the burning, you are punishing them for the thoughts they had while burning the flag. We don't criminalize thoughts in this country.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Flag burning may be offensive to most people, but it is not illegal. While most states have laws against flag-burning, the US Supreme Court case, Texas V Johnson, ruled those laws unconstitutional as violating the first amendment.

What is illegal, is using the flag for commercial purposes, something we see every day, and something that is never prosecuted. Is it really more offensive to see someone burn the flag in protest or to see Kid Rock wear the flag like a shawl during half-time at the Super Bowl, or to see someone make the flag into a pair of underwear?

Another point that can be made is that since flag-burning is done by the Boy Scouts,(it's the only way to properly dispose of an old flag), when you punish someone for burning a flag you are not punishing them for the burning, you are punishing them for the thoughts they had while burning the flag. We don't criminalize thoughts in this country.

No we don't. But I was more commenting on Rachel's use of it in this particular situation. But thanks for the legal references. Makes you look very smart. :bike:

Originally posted by Core
No we don't. But I was more commenting on Rachel's use of it in this particular situation. But thanks for the legal references. Makes you look very smart.

Well it's not an illusion, if that's what you're implying.

Vile's absolutely correct though - we don't punish thoughts in this country, no matter what your wacky liberal professors might tell you. Besides, I'm convinced that 98% of the flag burners do it not because they're really upset with the U.S. but because they really really like it when people pay attention to them.

But see, that's my point exactly with this....and no one seems to get what I'm trying to say.

we do punish thoughts in this country, its called hate crimes. if your white and kill a gay person or a black person or whatever, you will not only be charged with urder, but will be charged with a hate crime. this is to punish you for what you were thinking of that person at the moment of the crime. I think its redundant and ridiculous to punish a guy who is already charged with murder for a hate crime. or even assault, how can you tell that someone beat someone up becasue of their race or orientation and not because they called them a dickhead and it just pissed them off? hate crime is thought crime in reality, it is a punishment on top of the punishment you would already recieve based on what they say you were thinking at the time of or the time leading up to the crime.

and pagan, burning the flag to dispose of it is not entirely accurate. you are supposed to cut the field of stars off and bury it, then burn the rest, but the key part of all this is to do it in a respectful way, not spitting and cursing it while you do it.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Well it's not an illusion, if that's what you're implying.

Vile's absolutely correct though - we don't punish thoughts in this country, no matter what your wacky liberal professors might tell you. Besides, I'm convinced that 98% of the flag burners do it not because they're really upset with the U.S. but because they really really like it when people pay attention to them.

I mean I think it's one thing to have someone in America walk down the street and burn the flag to have people look and say....weirdo or what a great guy, or WHATEVER...but when an American citizen does it in the middle of Palestinian children in the middle of war just to get someone to look at her, I think that's wrong. (By the way, if you look at the picture....those kids are more entertained than upset...and it's their damn houses!) We are suppose to be over there to help. People are confused, angry, all kinds of emotions and it just pisses my off that she did it. WHY? To make everyone think (especially those that don't RESEARCH what happened) that America is so bad and so at fault that it brought her to BURN the American flag because she was just so angry with her own country????

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Well it's not an illusion, if that's what you're implying.


I'm implying that sometimes the flaunt of legal rulings can't justify certain situations.

burning the flag to dispose of it is not entirely accurate. you are supposed to cut the field of stars off and bury it, then burn the rest, but the key part of all this is to do it in a respectful way, not spitting and cursing it while you do it.

No kidding, Trav? I didn't know about the stars/bury thing. That's interesting. Thanks for the education.

BTW, just so you guys "get me", I totally "got" the thread, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page here...I just believe that burning the flag in any situation (except as to dispose of it) is wrong. It's hipocrisy in my book. The law does give us the right to burn the flag, however, I think it's pretty twisted.

Originally posted by Travh20
we do punish thoughts in this country, its called hate crimes. if your white and kill a gay person or a black person or whatever, you will not only be charged with urder, but will be charged with a hate crime. this is to punish you for what you were thinking of that person at the moment of the crime. I think its redundant and ridiculous to punish a guy who is already charged with murder for a hate crime. or even assault, how can you tell that someone beat someone up becasue of their race or orientation and not because they called them a dickhead and it just pissed them off? hate crime is thought crime in reality, it is a punishment on top of the punishment you would already recieve based on what they say you were thinking at the time of or the time leading up to the crime.

Oddly enough Trav, I completely agree with you on the subject of hate crimes legislation. It's wrong to punish someone more for killing a Jew, or a black person, or a gay person, than for killing anyone else who is not covered by the statutes. I hope that destroys your opinion of me as a flaming liberal.

and pagan, burning the flag to dispose of it is not entirely accurate. you are supposed to cut the field of stars off and bury it, then burn the rest, but the key part of all this is to do it in a respectful way, not spitting and cursing it while you do it.

Well, I was never a Boy Scout so I'll take your word on proper flag disposal.

The point is that flag burning as a form of protest is protected speech under the first amendment, regardless of how much we might be offended by it.

Trav, I actually also agree with you on the hate crime thing. it really doesn't matter what a person is thinking, until they bother other people. so if someone's being harrassed, I really don't care why, the person doing it should get in trouble. same with violence. until someone acts on an opinion, and harms other people, then they shouldn't get in trouble for it, and they shouldn't be punished according to motivation, just action.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
Trav, I actually also agree with you on the hate crime thing. it really doesn't matter what a person is thinking, until they bother other people. so if someone's being harrassed, I really don't care why, the person doing it should get in trouble. same with violence. until someone acts on an opinion, and harms other people, then they shouldn't get in trouble for it, and they shouldn't be punished according to motivation, just action.
I'm the third so-called "librul" to chime in here against hate crimes. Whammy's post was about what I think, too. Besides which, how exactly can you prove a hate crime?

personally, I think that the moment the government starts trying to control people's thoughts we are headed in a very dangerous direction. I really don't care how bigoted and disgusting someone's thoughts are, as long as they don't bother anyone else.

Exactly, Whammy. Hate crimes are the first step on the road to 1984. And that is doubleplusungood.

Originally posted by saycricket
No kidding, Trav? I didn't know about the stars/bury thing. That's interesting. Thanks for the education.

BTW, just so you guys "get me", I totally "got" the thread, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page here...I just believe that burning the flag in any situation (except as to dispose of it) is wrong. It's hipocrisy in my book. The law does give us the right to burn the flag, however, I think it's pretty twisted.

If you believe that burning the flag in any situation is wrong, and it's hypocrisy etc... then why do you condone it just because the law tells you to? So many "fundies" (of what the common argument on the board would say)....do the same thing. Why is it more acceptable because it's the law?

And just to re-state the meaning of this thread...she was stupid. She exploided herself in the name of ?, and ended up dead.

Originally posted by Core
If you believe that burning the flag in any situation is wrong, and it's hypocrisy etc... then why do you condone it just because the law tells you to? So many "fundies" (of what the common argument on the board would say)....do the same thing. Why is it more acceptable because it's the law?

The law is there to protect our freedom of speech. Just because something is unpleasant doesn't mean it is, or should be, against the law.

And just to re-state the meaning of this thread...she was stupid. She exploided herself in the name of ?, and ended up dead.

Maybe she was stupid, maybe she just didn't expect to get run over by a bulldozer.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
The law is there to protect our freedom of speech. Just because something is unpleasant doesn't mean it is, or should be, against the law.

Like the KKK....I see what you mean though

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Maybe she was stupid, maybe she just didn't expect to get run over by a bulldozer. [/B]

I don't know, I kinda think she did. I mean bulldozers are pretty slow machinery. :rolleyes:

she knew deep down that the israelis are not cold blooded killers, and she thought the dozer would stop. that is why it was such a shock, because she was run over by the israeli dozer. if she was killed in a suicide bombing no one would have been horified that the palestinians had killed and innocent civilian becasue thats their M.O.

If you believe that burning the flag in any situation is wrong, and it's hypocrisy etc... then why do you condone it just because the law tells you to? I never said anywhere that I condoned it. In fact, I believe my words were to the effect of "it is wrong in any situation except disposal." Just because the law tells me that it's okay to do something, doesn't mean I'm "ok" with it...

I think my point was that there is such a fine line between what we have the right to do in America, versus what we think is right or wrong within our beliefs. For instance, I think abortion is wrong, however I am glad we have the right in America to make that decision for ourselves. But then again, I get myself so confused because I don't believe gays should marry and take a political stance on this issue. I don't believe in capital punishment, but I support the war in Iraq. I'm a complete mess. (be nice vilepagan.....at least I admit it.)