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Haszard
03-30-2004, 03:21 PM
Regarding; Jehovah's Witnesses a destructive abusive cult.


The Watchtower is big money, being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year. That’s just from one of their many corporations.


Unlike in the case of Christians who are persecuted in other lands for talking about Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses are largely persecuted for following the teachings begun during the second presidency of the Watchtower, when Joseph F. Rutherford took over in a corporate flap and began changing doctrines quickly in the Watchtower belief system. He claimed that angels directly conveyed “truth” to some of those in leadership. He coined the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to make them stand out from being witnesses of Jesus, a typical evangelical expression (and a Biblical one). Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ, and invented an “earthly class” of Witnesses, since only 144,000 can go to heaven in their teaching. The rest, meaning all 99.9% of Witnesses still alive, will live forever on a cleansed earth, under the rule of the Watchtower leaders in heaven, who will keep them in line by local elders known as “Princes.”



If you have been “witnessed to” by Jehovah’s Witnesses and you reject their message, you will likely die “shortly” at Armageddon with all the other non-Witnesses, since theirs is the only true religion, and (if they can live up to all the rules) they are the only ones to inhabit this “new earth.” If you believe Witnesses seem rigid now, any non-conformist during the future “cleansed earth” will be directly destroyed by Jehovah. Even now a Witness will be disfellowshipped for any one of many gaffs, such as smoking, taking a blood transfusion, or even voting. To even vocally question the teachings of the Watchtower will result in complete cutting off, with family and friends usually being forbidden to talk to them. The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world, in a time when Orwellian societies are nearly obsolete.



By their own Yearbook accounts, Witnesses are shrinking in number in many Western countries as of the last three years, as the internet facilitates the spread of information (much of it critical of the Witnesses). Witnesses are cautioned against creating JW-related websites, largely to prevent their members from discovering the history and dirty laundry of this organization on other websites. (There are literally hundreds of former members pages in many languages.) The Watchtower strives hard to control the flow of information to the individual Witness, and prefers that all instruction come through the magazines they carry door-to-door. Without this form of control, even as they themselves admit, they would believe just the same as other Bible believers.



My hope is that there will be a day in each of their lives when the Watchtower magazine is no longer needed, and they can go to college, vote for office, and contribute money and time to other, more vital causes in their community. More than likely they will then cease to be persecuted, except in a few societies more authoritarian than their own.

Sincerely,

Danny Haszard

Bangor,Maine USA

http://www.DannyHaszard.com

silverbulletkc
03-30-2004, 03:51 PM
......................yes haszard, elephants like peanuts.......

creetwins
03-30-2004, 08:09 PM
......................yes haszard, elephants like peanuts....... huh?

the sky is falling the sky is falling

Violet Lightbea
03-31-2004, 12:47 AM
some interesting facts of JW's

http://www.davidicke.net/religiousfrauds/menu.html

Jwjames111
04-13-2004, 08:55 PM
what a biased opinion of a religious group. As if you cant prove Catholicism had ties with the church. Oh yeah, what was the reason the Protestant faith sprung up? need i say more? AND Haszard, when you copy and paste someone else's opinion or when you type something you heard without giving the proper sources, isnt that called plagiarism? I'm just a senior in High School and I know this. And why don't you sit down and think abbout other religions and what they say. Other Christian religion believe that if you are not christian, were are you going? HELL, where you will burn forever. It is soo many things you can say about each religion, but their is always a few that like to single one group out and try to attack it. It is also funny that most of those supposed sites that tell the "truth about Jehovah's Witnesses were started by people who used to be witnesses but got in some type of trouble and instead of repenting, started there own personal vendetta against the group as a whole. Am I the only one that thinks that is childish. And before you say something about repenting, dont all religions require repentance? At least Jehovah's Witnesses dont give the prospect of ETERNAL TORMENT for ones who dont repent. Geez!!!

Jwjames111
04-13-2004, 09:12 PM
i also notice that you say doomsday cults, yet you only concern yourself with JW's. Why the direct attack when you seemed to claim you were going to talk about all of them...

Jwjames111
04-13-2004, 09:56 PM
your websites pathetic. It reminds me of....white supremicist group websites. Oh yeah: http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm
Where are the Jehovah's Witnesses? I dont see them. Why dont you just repent of whatever you did and stop trying to spread propaganda. It makes you look so...so...ignorant to say the least. In fact, it makes you look like a fool. :( pathetic.

okami
04-14-2004, 04:30 AM
" Yog Sothoth! Ph'nglui mglw'nath Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nag!"

Jwjames111
04-14-2004, 12:29 PM
good point okami ;)

BorgHunter
04-14-2004, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by okami
" Yog Sothoth! Ph'nglui mglw'nath Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nag!"
I would have taken that for Klingon had I not seen the "Cthulhu" in there.

Jwjames111
04-14-2004, 06:54 PM
i'm lost what the heck did he say?

okami
04-15-2004, 02:11 PM
, , ,ain'tcha ever hearda H.P. Lovecraft or the Necronomicon. . ?

Jwjames111
04-15-2004, 02:25 PM
no what does it say? does it have anything to do with the post?

okami
04-15-2004, 03:57 PM
Only to an extent (I have to make this quick so I can get my 1040 sent to the IRS).

H.P. Lovecraft was the progenitor of a body of writings--sometimes classifed as fantasy or science fiction, although today only horror--which remain rather spine-tingling to this day.

Eons before the birth of the human race, the "Elder Gods" ruled the Earth. To worship these beings was similar to Satanism or worse. Being completely implacable, these Gods awaited the time they would return to the world, destroying all humans and ruling again.

The Necronomicon, a supposed book of obscene demonic writings, was written by a madman in service to the Elder Gods. The existence of the Necronomicon was such a brilliant piece of disinformation--like The Protocols of The Elders of Zion, that people began believing that it actually existed. Some in the 70's and 80's openly believed that it was real. Then, some years back, some good old boy publishes "The Necronomicon", which is now available in paperback at your favorite bookstores. . .until we become a theocracy.

Lovecraft's work remains seminal to the development of horror movies and stories today. Some of his characters--such as the elder god Dagoth--are taken from the Old Testament: check the time the Philistines, who had captured the Ark of the Covenant, placed it inside the temple of Dagoth.

I recently found a spoof on the old Chick religious pamphlets which involved the Necronomicon; I'll try to give the link if anyone's interested.

The tie-in to this "Doomsday Cult" topic is that

(a) although fictional, it was a religion which was nihilistic to the core, advocating and attempting to bring about the end of mankind, and

(b) although I am new here, it looked like things were getting a bit heated. I felt--rightly or wrongly--that to defuse a possible volatile situation, a little shock to the system (from out of nowhere) might work. My apologies; maybe something from Revelations or other religious texts would have worked.

The Rob Zombie avatar would've helped for emphasis, too.

I have found that one person's religion is another's witchcraft or demonism. It must be remembered that the Big Three--Judaism, Christianity and Islam--all started out as cults. None sprang full-blown with all its institutions. Protestantism from the first was antithetical to Catholicism, and Luther himself joined in the cries to kill the man who first translated the Bible into English.

Virtually any millennial faith could be considered a Doomsday Cult, since the destruction of the present world would come about by Christ's return. Nowadays we have a few more toys (and believers), so we end up with diverse groups like David Koresh's, Jim Jones', or Heaven's Gate.

I have, however, seen distinct relationships between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Gnostic beliefs which existed at the first 200-300 years of Christianity. When the Roman Empire became Christian, that !$#@&* "Saint" Cyril oversaw the murder of Hypatia--the last Chief Librarian of Alexandria--and helped destory the Great Library. At that time the end of Gnostic Christianity was near. Virtually nothing was heard for 1600-1700 years.

During World War II--within a few years of the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls--a collection of some 50 Gnostic writings--tracts, gospels, and others--were discovered by young Egyptian men at Nag Hammadi. Some are clearly Biblical scriptures which differ from the King James Version--or any other version--that's come down to us. I have a copy (softcover) of the complete Nag Hammadi Library myself, as well as other copies of some of the texts. Many are online.

Even as diluted as it is, there are still a few Gnostic influences in our Bible (Catholic or Protestant), as well as the influence of Zoroaster and other, more eastern religions. But you have to see them.

Still, that's another matter. While virtually any sect or religion may be viewed as a doomsday cult by another's frame of reference, I see the proof of the pudding in nihilistic, life-denouncing and life-destroying behavior. I have seen no such, myself, in the individual Witnesses I've met.

God does not necessarily appear on the mountaintop as He/She/It would in the jungles or at the poles, and perhaps God's message to the Witnesses is valid for them.

If at all possible we should be hasty of judgments: I'm almost fifty, and I am still working on my own prejudices.

Uh-oh...post office's 'bout to close. . .'nuff said.

Jwjames111
04-15-2004, 05:29 PM
okami, I appreciate that post. It was enlightening and I feel myself being calmed down. Its just the fact that he used to be one of them, he used to do what they do, now he claims that JW's are held captive, yada yada yada. In fact some of what he said was said by someone else b4. I cant recall exactly where i heard it from but i did. Its like he got mad and copied and pasted someon else's argument and made it his. It doesn't help him that I am a JW and i've been through things and i've thought about leaving but decided that what the religion preaches is true. And i certainly aint brainwashed. If he had a beef, then O.K. but he flamed that religion, and I couldn't let that go...

Jwjames111
04-27-2004, 01:22 PM
And he has yet to come back to defend himself. Its like he knows im right and doesnt want to come back to face the music...