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Travh20
03-26-2004, 06:09 PM
this is an interesting article. if you want a behind the scenes view of John Kerry, check this out.

STORY_============ (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1105822/posts)

mevam
03-26-2004, 06:36 PM
I recommend the following two sites for you:
www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com
www.moveon.org

Compared to George Bush, Kerry is Einstein and Churchill in one. George Bush should join a travelling circus.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 06:38 PM
your sites are opinions with not supporting documentation, based on fear and lies. everytime I think that the biggest liberal jackass has joined the board a new one comes along to take the crown :rolleyes:

mevam
03-26-2004, 06:41 PM
The rest of the world is wrong in knowing Dubya is a corrupt liar, and you must be right. Keep believing that. Unlike you, I refuse to slap all conservatives with a label. I've overreacted before, but some conservatives actually have opinions backed up by sound reasoning. You must be an exception.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 06:56 PM
ya, saying any conservative who doesnt go and die in a war is a hypocrit, thats very open minded :rolleyes:

mevam
03-26-2004, 07:01 PM
Any conservative who laughs with the president at the lack of WMD which have cost thousands of lives of soliders IS a hypocrite unless they've died in the war themselves. This being said, NO level headed conservative would EVER joke at what has been the source of pain and anguish for many military familes, that is, the death of their loved ones in a war Bush has no qualms laughing about. What would anyone say if a liberal laughed at the victims of 9/11? Why is it any different for the victims of an unjust war?

And just to add, calling liberals scum because you can't think of a smart response to their comments, THAT'S even more open minded.

Overdose
03-26-2004, 07:04 PM
TRAV..honey...you just keep on being a hypocrite.

You gave me so much shit for posting "liberal" propaganda, sites...saying you never do that.

Then post a conservative site, or forum on this?

hahaha, Trav get a life.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 07:17 PM
I gave you shit? I guess you forget the sequence of events, how convienient. anyway, this site links to actual news to support his arguments. and waht up with the honey thing, I hope you are a woman, or girl I should say.

and mevan, I think you saying that unless someone has died in a war they have no right to say anything is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. and you deserve to be called scum for your idiotic statement that disrespected very veteran on the board

Overdose
03-26-2004, 07:19 PM
Lol, you gave me shit, and honestly don’t deny it. I’m a guy, and I like the word “honey”, it’s okay Trav I’m secure enough with my sexuality to say it.

Until You've Tried Everything, You Never Know What You Like... ;)

mevam
03-26-2004, 07:29 PM
So now you support veterens Trav? You didn't seem too supportive of John Kerry and his purple hearts that he won for fighting in Vietnam. Hypocrite. Maybe you need to stick with your positions and stop contradicting yourself. You support veterens but then you laugh at the dead soldiers? You support the war and you scoff at any mention of sacrifice of those in the army? Pathetic.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 07:34 PM
oh boy. i guess supporting veterans and the military didnt become popular until john kerry became nominee. never mind the fact that jonhn kerry was aminly responsible for the poor treatment veterans recieved form the liberals for 30 years, with his genocidal soldiers lies. so kerry comes home from the war, makes out his fellow soldiers to be murderers and rapists, then when he runs for president, we are supposed to revere thos esame murdereres and rapists becasue he is one of them and running as a democrat for president. tell me, who is the hypocrit? my support for the vetterans has never changged, I have never said they were murderers or baby killers or rapists.

Overdose
03-26-2004, 07:37 PM
What Kerry said is exactly what happened. I'm sure he knows more then you, since he really was there.

Oh and Bush cut bonuses from Soldiers in Iraq...what a good President.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 07:40 PM
john kerry voted agaisnt their body armor and their funding, you want to go into specifice lets rock. and how can you respect and support peopel who kill innocent civilians like joh kerry and detest that it is happening now? you cant have it both ways boys and girls. you wither support veterans or you dont, you cant pick and choose which veterans you want to support. and I thank you for your support.

Overdose
03-26-2004, 07:41 PM
HE WAS FORCED TO KILL THEM! HELLO! HE IS IN WAR! THE REASON MOST OF THE TROOPS WERE ALL DEPRESSED AND SUICIDAL WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO DO THOSE ACTS!

Learn something, Trav.

Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 08:32 PM
Trav I think you'll agree that "The Free Republic" is hardly an unbiased source.

In the article you linked to, the author references an e-mail sent to the Tehran Times newspaper, allegedly by John Kerry. This is how the author of the article characterizes the e-mail:

The hardcore America-hating, Israel-hating, jihad-spouting Muslim clerics in the Mideast are very excited, passing around a front page newspaper story from the very anti-American Tehran Times in Iran. In the country that is home of the world’s toughest theocratic dictatorship, an e-mail from you, Mr. Kerry, sent to the paper by your campaign committee (although they deny sending it) was printed word-for-word on the front page of Iran’s main newspaper. Your message states emphatically that if elected President you plan to travel to the Mideast and elsewhere and apologize for our actions and the actions of President Bush in the War on Terror. You are already apologizing. It says that you plan to apologize to friends and foes alike.

This is the text of the e-mail, taken from the Tehran Times website:

As Americans who have lived and worked extensively overseas, we have personally witnessed the high regard with which people around the world have historically viewed the United States. Sadly, we are also painfully aware of how the actions and the attitudes demonstrated by the U.S. government over the past three years have threatened the goodwill earned by presidents of both parties over many decades and put many of our international relationships at risk.

It is in the urgent interests of the people of the United States to restore our country's credibility in the eyes of the world. America needs the kind of leadership that will repair alliances with countries on every continent that have been so damaged in the past few years, as well as build new friendships and overcome tensions with others.

We are convinced that John Kerry is the candidate best qualified to meet this challenge. Senator Kerry has the diplomatic skill and temperament as well as a lifetime of accomplishments in field of international affairs. He believes that collaboration with other countries is crucial to efforts to win the war on terror and make America safer.

An understanding of global affairs is essential in these times, and central to this campaign Kerry has the experience and the understanding necessary to successfully restore the United States to its position of respect within the community of nations. He has the judgment and vision necessary to assure that the United States fulfills a leadership role in meeting the challenges we face throughout the world.

The current Administration's policies of unilateralism and rejection of important international initiatives, from the Kyoto Accords to the Biological Weapons Convention, have alienated much of the world and squandered remarkable reserves of support after 9/11. This climate of hostility affects us all, but most especially impacts those who reside overseas. Disappointment with current U.S. leadership is widespread, extending not just to the corridors of power and politics, but to the man and woman on the street as well.

We believe John Kerry is the Democrat who can go toe-to-toe against the current Administration on national security and defense issues. We also remain convinced that John Kerry has the best chance of beating the incumbent in November, and putting America on a new course that will lead to a safer, more secure, and more stable world.

I'm not sure how the author of the article manged to view this e-mail as an apology, or a promise to apologize, but if you read the article and not the e-mail you might come away thinking the worst about Kerry without having all the facts. The e-mail is nothing but political pablum and doesn't promise anything at all. It certainly isn't an apology or a promise to apologize.

WhammyBar
03-26-2004, 09:17 PM
overdose, remember that trav seems to have some issues with homosexuality, so the honey thing won't sit well with him.

Trav: why must you anatagonize someone on their first goddamn post? you could atleast try to be a little courteous on first encounter.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 10:14 PM
I dont care if its your first or 5000th post, if your talking crap, your gonna get called on it

Overdose
03-26-2004, 10:20 PM
lol, words of a mature adult

Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
I dont care if its your first or 5000th post, if your talking crap, your gonna get called on it

In that case please respond to my comments about the article you linked to.

WhammyBar
03-26-2004, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
I dont care if its your first or 5000th post, if your talking crap, your gonna get called on it

yeah, but ucan do it in a alightly more mature polite way. people take you seriously when you're more reasonable.

Overdose
03-26-2004, 11:00 PM
lol, he has lost his sense of maturity...when he said my life was worthless...so don't even try and compromise with him....he has no respect for human life.

Travh20
03-27-2004, 10:34 AM
what do you know about respecting human life? have you ever saved a life, or a hundred lives? your still upset I called your life worthless. get over it, in the grand scheme of things all of our lives arent worth much. its a fact of life that you are not hte most important person on the planet, sorry.

Mr. Shaman
03-27-2004, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by mevam
I recommend the following two sites for you:
www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com
www.moveon.org

Compared to George Bush, Kerry is Einstein and Churchill in one. George Bush should join a travelling circus.
Here's another. (http://blog.johnkerry.com/dbunker/) :hitout:

Mr. Shaman
03-27-2004, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Travh20
your sites are opinions with not supporting documentation, based on fear and lies. everytime I think that the biggest liberal jackass has joined the board a new one comes along to take the crown :rolleyes:
Awwwwwww, c'mon......keep your chin up!!

I've always considered you the biggest jackass, here!! :D

Mr. Shaman
03-27-2004, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Travh20
never mind the fact that jonhn kerry was aminly responsible for the poor treatment veterans recieved form the liberals for 30 years, with his genocidal soldiers lies. so kerry comes home from the war, makes out his fellow soldiers to be murderers and rapists........
<Yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnn.....> :o

Try, again.......Skippy!!!!! (http://www.freep.com/news/locway/winter2_20040302.htm) :@@:

"Kerry returned from Vietnam in 1969, after a tour as a patrol boat captain. Upset over President Richard Nixon's denigration of antiwar veterans and his escalation of the war into Laos and Cambodia, Kerry started mixing with members of the antiwar movement.

In Detroit, the ex-soldiers sat at the front of the ballroom at linen-covered tables. When possible, they paired up with other members of their military units, so that some corroboration could be offered for the events they described. Some wore faded fatigues, scruffy beards or headbands. Some dragged on cigarettes and nodded while others spoke. Some stared off into the distance, shook their heads softly or took one of the microphones to advocate ending the war, now.

Kerry did not testify; he mostly observed. A film documentary made on the conference briefly captures Kerry asking an ex-soldier what he wants to say about what Kerry called "the crimes" in Vietnam. "

You conservatives could (probably) give your credibility a little polish, if you'd drop your obsession with lying. :rolleyes:

Mr. Shaman
03-27-2004, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
john kerry voted agaisnt their body armor and their funding, you want to go into specifice lets rock.
By all MEANS!!!!!! (http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127/) :p

O.K., let's see the lies, to support your body-armor allegation, now!!!

Mr. Shaman
03-27-2004, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
I dont care if its your first or 5000th post, if your talking crap, your gonna get called on it
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The voice of experience!!!!!!