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P Marie C
03-26-2004, 03:16 PM
I like this guy! What do you guys think? A friend of mine wrote a letter to all her state reps, and got a response from one of them, as follows:



I wrote to my state legislators who were making a move to ban gay marriage in Arizona. Here's the reply from one of them...and the reason I'm not moving from this normally Republican state:

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Dear -----,

Thank you for your email opposing HCM2004, (One Man One Woman Bill). I voted against it. I wish to share with you, the explanation of my vote.

EXPLANATION OF REP. TED DOWNINGS VOTE ON HCM2004
The Arizona legislature is not empowered to change history nor facts. As a professional anthropologist, I can assure you that the evidence shows, in contradistinction to the HCM2004 preamble, that one man/one woman marriage is neither universal "since time began" nor unchanging. Marriage entered the English lexicon in the 14th century, derived from the French word marier. Marriage represents a variety of contractual unions...but the nature of that contract has evolved and changed within each culture and across cultures. It was once a binding of kin and social groups, often without the consent of the individuals and still is in some parts of the world. And the state and Church have a history of manipulating marriage rules as a way to control property rights.

We must look at HCM2004 within an historic and civil rights context. The state no longer relegates women to be second class citizens in marriage, as they once were. Within my lifetime, the state no longer forbids marriage between different races. Each step in this evolution has been more inclusive...recognizing rather than restricting our civil and human rights. Puritans did not found this country, in contradistinction to what the preamble to the proposed Resolution claims....Adams, Hamilton and Jefferson would cast a resounding NO to this proposition. They are not here...but I, a lineal descendent of the American revolution - whose Mother's DAR certificate hangs on my wall in the legislature, I am here. And I vote a resounding no.

Ted Downing
State Representative
LD28 Tucson
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Guess who's going to continue to get my vote for as long as he wants to run for office?

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.- Charles Austin Beard

Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 06:08 PM
The man should run for President.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 06:11 PM
:rolleyes:

Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
:rolleyes:

What's the matter Trav? No answers for an intelligent argument?

Travh20
03-26-2004, 06:35 PM
there are lots of intelligent arguments on both sides. it doesnt change my mind that I think its wrong. I was only rolling my eyes at how yo think this guy should be prez becasue he thinks gays should be able to get married, like thats the most important issue of our time or something

Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
there are lots of intelligent arguments on both sides. it doesnt change my mind that I think its wrong. I was only rolling my eyes at how yo think this guy should be prez becasue he thinks gays should be able to get married, like thats the most important issue of our time or something

I don't really think he should run for president Trav, it was just a way of saying that it's refreshing to see a politician make an intelligent statement on gay marriage without regard to politics.

Overdose
03-26-2004, 07:02 PM
Is our intelligence based on the Bible, because the only “educated” reason against homosexuality or gay marriage is well nothing. You have no “intelligent” way to say why gays cannot get married. I’ve read through your posts, and they are all pointless and just appalling.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 10:16 PM
appaling, I am glad to see that anyone who disagrees with you is appaling. if you think about it hard enough, what is an intelligent reason for most of the laws we have? just becasue you dont agree with or support it doesnt mean it is not intelligent. I have never said anything bad agaisnt gay people, and I ahve no problem with gay people, I jsut dotn want them getting married, becaue it is agaisnt my beliefs. since when is it wrong to stand up for what you believe in?

Overdose
03-26-2004, 10:19 PM
No I just think your reasons are appalling...because the way you conduct yourself makes me sick. But I'm sure you feel the same way about me.

WhammyBar
03-26-2004, 10:47 PM
Trav, the reason a lot of poeple disagre with you on this is becasue you think your personal opinion is what matters. you can not support the idea of gay marraige while still holding the belif that everyone should have equal right,s and that includes homosexuals. I know plenty of people like that. the whole point of this is that you particular beleifs shouldn't be supported by the government, we should all be given equal rights and be fre to practice what we choose.

Travh20
03-26-2004, 11:03 PM
what a bunch of arrogant children. I guess your mommys and daddys gave you everything you ever wanted. the though of anyone not giving in to you is beyond your comprehension

Overdose
03-26-2004, 11:07 PM
lol, I got everything I wanted...so?

~Sarcasm~

I don't mind if people disagree with me, AKA Pagan (on few issues)...

But I mind if they are disrespectful, and call my life worthless...

Got it?

WhammyBar
03-26-2004, 11:22 PM
I can certainly handle people disagreeing with me, in fact, I thrive on debating opposing opinions. why do you think I bother replying to nay of your posts?:D