our friendly, neighborhood islamic jihadists, in their fight for freedom agaisnt the democratically elected jewish swine infidels have reached new lows. they have strapped a bomb to a retarded boy of 16, and sent him out to blow up some israelis. how anyone can defend this as noble or right is just wrong. end of story. I know a lot of you will deny it, but many of you leftists you have seemed to be more than a bit supportive of the palestinian bombers and their cause. some lines from the story:

The family of the teenager, identified as Hussam Abdo, said he was gullible and easily manipulated.

"He doesn't know anything, and he has the intelligence of a 12 year old," said his brother, Hosni."He told us he didn't want to die. He didn't want to blow up," Milrad said.

The soldiers sent a small robot to hand Abdo scissors to cut off the vest, an incident captured in exclusive Associated Press Television News footage.

The teenager cut off part of the vest and struggled with the rest. "I don't how to get this off," he said in frustration before successfully removing it.

Last month, Israeli police arrested three boys, aged 12, 13 and 15, who said they were on their way to carry out a shooting attack in Israel.



--------STORY--------- (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040324/D81GUJ3O0.html)

It's a good story - I posted the link yesterday in another thread - but it does deserve a thread of its own. It highlights very well the dynamic of monsters using their children to kill others.

Of course though - these days with the press seemingly making up 50% of the news stories - lets hope it's not a fabricated story.

I hope it's a sign that they're running out of people willing to wear dynamite.

A reprehensible act to be sure.

You have to wonder who would do such a thing...

I know a lot of you will deny it, but many of you leftists you have seemed to be more than a bit supportive of the palestinian bombers and their cause.

Trav...pay attention here. I've said this before but then you post something like the above which leads me to conclude that you purposefully ignore what people say, and falsely attribute statements to people in an attempt to score points.

I have NO sympathy for the bombers or those who facilitate the bombers.

I DO have sympathy for the palestinian people who have been forced off their land and been herded into slums by the Israeli government.

Is that clear now?

Y'know, this is a war that has waged for years and years. I'm not sure ANYTHING will put their fires out. It's utter frustration on both sides and I'm not sure there will ever be a solution.

"I know a lot of you will deny it, but many of you leftists you have seemed to be more than a bit supportive of the palestinian bombers and their cause."

I support bombers? Quote me, where I've said that.

Oh, and I'm not supportive of when we spend our time in Iraq, and let these suicide bombing's happen, because if we were spending billions on stopping these organizations, and stopping true terror, I'd be happy. But we spend it on stopping a mass murder...? That's not even related to the "war on terror"...

So that's what I'm supportive of, I'm supportive that when another suicide bombing takes place, it just proves that President Bush is spending his time, money, and troops in areas that do not make sense. Don’t get me wrong, I hate when death happens, and I totally disagree with the actions of these bombing’s, but it just gives me all the proof I need, that Bush isn’t doing enough.

I’m also not saying that President Bush can stop all of these actions, but I’m sure he could of prevented a few, that have occurred in the last year…if he actually was stopping true terror...

And 100% focusing on getting rid of these terrorist organizations, and not trying to “nation build”, something he disagreed with before 9/11…bloody hypocrite.

Oh and if you try and pull the, post 9/11, after 9/11 BS, they have proof Bush wanted to go before 9/11.

Have Fun.

first of all, I said you have seemed supportive, and I als said that you would deny it, so there.

and if you think that we havent stopped a few attacks you are wrong

I never said we haven’t stopped “fewer” attacks, I said we could have prevented A LOT more then what we already have stopped. Spending our time, energy, and lives in Iraq, is a waste if we are going to try and stop terror. I understand we wanted to bring freedom to Iraq, and I respect that. But that was not the reason president Bush gave us, it was to stop terror because they had (WMD’s), which they don’t. So it’s not the time or place to do it. We could actually try and fight more terror if we hadn’t gone in Iraq. A lot more of these attacks could have been stopped, and we could be on our way to stopping the majority of these attacks. Instead a solider dies every day in Iraq, we spend billions of dollars on the Iraqi’s, who a lot don’t even want this “freedom”…while attacks that we most likely could prevent, (if we hadn’t’ been in Iraq), occur

a lot more? you mean the one attack that has happened, the one in spain?

The Spain Attacks

Baghdad Attacks in the hotel (because if we are so good at keeping control we should have had this found or taken care of)

Car bombings, because we have had a lot

Besides you haven’t given me one example of an “attack” that we have prevented ahead of time. If the republicans found an example of them cracking a plan to attack something, they would jump on it. and you know it. They haven’t…(link please) so honestly, Trav, we have had a lot of attacks/car bombing’s that could have been prevented...if we were fully working on ending this terror.

We have gotten a lot of the leaders of these organizations (I admit), but it’s apparent that a lot still exist, and a lot still do commit attacks. That just proves we aren’t doing enough, and we could be doing more if we were not in Iraq, focusing on that country.

We should stop supporting Israel. Israel is wrong for taking the land from the Palestinians and we are wrong for supporting them.
The radical Palestinians who go out and suicide bomb civilians are also in the wrong, though I sympathize somewhat because they have very few options to stop the Israelis from continuously taking their land. The action they've taken does not help them get their land back, but it does bring the media and makes people at least look at the situation.

BTW: We practically stand alone in our support of Israel over Palistan

Land, slums, yada yada - there is one main issue here - kids being coerced to blow themselves up. The rest is nothing in comparision - have people lost their sense of what is a hideous crime?

I don't see anbody yapping about the Indians losing their land - and they really did get the royal screw - at least the palestinians have a chance to get it back when the stop supporting cold blooded evil killers.

Originally posted by DrewM
Land, slums, yada yada - there is one main issue here - kids being coerced to blow themselves up. The rest is nothing in comparision - have people lost their sense of what is a hideous crime?

I don't see anbody yapping about the Indians losing their land - and they really did get the royal screw - at least the palestinians have a chance to get it back when the stop supporting cold blooded evil killers. Thank you Drew. Perfect question. All these people (i wont label but you know who im talking about) are the first to jump on the "these poor people are fighting for their land, their very heritage", yet i have often brought up what my ancestors went through with hardly an acknowledgement at all. So that defense definately rings hollow to these ears. I dont see how anyone can defend a group of people who are recruiting children to kill innocent people while commiting suicide. Its horrible. Just the act of coercing a child to commit suicide should horrify us all, and yet some of us on this forum hardly even bat an eye.

“Thank you Drew. Perfect question. All these people (i wont label but you know who im talking about) are the first to jump on the "these poor people are fighting for their land, their very heritage", yet i have often brought up what my ancestors went through with hardly an acknowledgement at all. So that defense definately rings hollow to these ears. I dont see how anyone can defend a group of people who are recruiting children to kill innocent people while commiting suicide. Its horrible. Just the act of coercing a child to commit suicide should horrify us all, and yet some of us on this forum hardly even bat an eye.”

It’s a horrible issue, that they are doing this, yes. It’s horrid that they would have to go to such lengths to commit these acts. It’s horrible that these children are put through this hell.

It’s horrible that Israel is taking their land, and no country will dare stand up against the United States, for we back Israel.

It’s their only option…and it’s a horrible one, but it’s their only way to scare Israel away and bring attention to the very issue at hand.

Originally posted by Overdose



It’s their only option…and it’s a horrible one, but it’s their only way to scare Israel away and bring attention to the very issue at hand.

No, it's not. Sorry but here I agree with Drew, Travh and Havok : suicide bombers are unacceptable, period.

I agree that in some situation, a certain degree of violence is acceptable. Revolutions, resistance to an occupying army, these do not go without violence. But the killing of innocent civilians and the manipulations of kids is not acceptable and only harms their cause.
On another thread I have been saying that Israel's retaliation is immoral and only leads to further violence. Suicide bombers are exactly the same : they do nothing to lead towards a political solution. They only lead to more despair and chaos.

I agree to disagree. The only way for them to fight Israel is if they do these type of attacks. How else are they going to tell Israel that they need to leave…? America is supporting Israel and most countries are afraid to oppose us. So they have no help, and the only way to fight against Israel is to act in violence. They cannot be political or come up with resolutions, for Israel will most likely say no to anything they want to accomplish. They honest to god hate each other. Nothing will get done…so unless we act, and try and not be one-sided, this will not end.

Again, I’m not saying I’m FOR suicide bombings, but I can understand why they feel they have to do this.

Overdose - you have an overly romantic and overly simplistic view of the conflict