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Travh20
03-21-2004, 12:07 AM
looking at this picture, you would think we were still in the run up to the war. but its a year later, and the morons still fly the "no blood for oil!" sign, have these people no imagination? or are they just so burned out they dont have the energy to paint a new sign?
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/WAR_PROTESTS.sff_CANU105_20040320200212.jpg
DrewM
03-21-2004, 01:21 AM
The whole troops die for oil thing is so old and tired. I'm sick and tired of hearing that garbage. If the US wanted more oil then it wouldn't spend 160 billion $ for at the one year mark - no oil at all.
How exactly do these people think we are going to gain oil from Iraq?
silverbulletkc
03-21-2004, 03:23 AM
No to war?
1. I thought it was already over
2. We're a little too deep into it to just back out now
3. I agree about the crap about oil
Leper
03-21-2004, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by silverbulletkc
No to war?
1. I thought it was already over
2. We're a little too deep into it to just back out now
3. I agree about the crap about oil
Certainly agree with #2 and #3.
LionelHutz
03-21-2004, 02:40 PM
Simplistic slogans for simplistic people . . .
Evil Homer
03-21-2004, 02:55 PM
BATHE THE WHALES!
SAY NO TO TREES!
HOMICIDE IS MURDER!
mevam
03-21-2004, 07:02 PM
Maybe the protests go on so that idiots like you can figure out what the war was REALLY about. In case you neglected to hear/read/see on the news, the WMD were not found, and the whole "Go to Iraq for the WMD" panic was nothing more than a poorly constructed lie to invade an oil-rich middle eastern nation. But of course, there will always be morons who advocate blindly going to the frontlines of a battle to die so that corporate interests can be appeased. Where do you fit in?
WhammyBar
03-21-2004, 08:35 PM
I was at a protest, and even though the official reason was to mark the anniversary of the war, I think the real reason for it was to express genral disgust with Bush's actions at the moment. it's important to remind the American public of what's happening, and it's also important to remember that even though the war is technically over, we still have a lot of troops there, and they are still dying, so the conflict obviously isn't finished with.
HaVoK
03-21-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by WhammyBar
I was at a protest, and even though the official reason was to mark the anniversary of the war, I think the real reason for it was to express genral disgust with Bush's actions at the moment. it's important to remind the American public of what's happening, and it's also important to remember that even though the war is technically over, we still have a lot of troops there, and they are still dying, so the conflict obviously isn't finished with. Yeah i see you here in the photo. Arent you the one holding up the blue sign in the center?
WindWip
03-21-2004, 09:37 PM
Protesting the protesters...
LionelHutz
03-21-2004, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by mevam
poorly constructed lie to invade an oil-rich middle eastern nation. But of course, there will always be morons who advocate blindly going to the frontlines of a battle to die so that corporate interests can be appeased.
And there will always be morons who blindly cling to simplistic explanations for complex issues in spite of all logic and data to the contrary. It was "no blood for oil" back when Saddam invaded another country (in other words, when the war was clearly about kicking Saddam out of a country he wrongfully invaded). And it was "no blood for oil" this time, even though oil prices have gone through the roof since the war started. You'll probably be saying "no blood for oil" 20 years from now regardless of what happens. Talk about moronic.
"No blood for oil" is an especially ironic argument in light of the evidence that some UN officials were profiting from the "oil for food" program that gave all sorts of kickbacks to the murderous tyrant Saddam. Talk about blood for oil . . .
DrewM
03-22-2004, 09:19 AM
Havok - great photo - right on the money.
Karankawa
03-22-2004, 09:53 AM
Lionel Hutz for president.
mevam
03-22-2004, 10:12 AM
And there will always be morons who blindly cling to simplistic explanations for complex issues in spite of all logic and data to the contrary.
Logic and data... hmm... Like the fact that the entire UN body minus the US and Britain is skeptical about the existance of ANY WMD in Iraq? Like the fact that several top ex-aides of Bush have admitted that Bush just wanted to invade Iraq to finish the job his father never had time to end? Or maybe like the fact that the cheif UN Weapons Inspector and his team have said repeatedly that their thorough investigations have found nothing to even remotely suggest capabilties of making WMD in Iraq? It's morons like you who ignore the facts and logic, and proceed to blindly worship an equally stupid president.
when the war was clearly about kicking Saddam out of a country he wrongfully invaded
If you had known anything about Kuwait's invasion, you would know that Kuwait is an oil-rich nation in the middle east with vast reservoirs catering to greedy American oil corporations, and that Saddam's invasion would threaten the oil supply to the U.S. And since when is U.S. policy concerned AT ALL about so-called "wrongful" occupations of countries? Where was the Bush administration when thousands were being slaughtered in Taiwan in their fight for independance? Where was Bush when millions in North Korea, Iran, Sudan and the Ivory Coast suffered under oppressive governments and civil wars? Or did these countries simply not offer a high enough profit margin for the walking corporation that is Bush?
And it was "no blood for oil" this time, even though oil prices have gone through the roof since the war started.
Gee and I had totally expected that the minute the U.S. invaded Iraq, oil production would skyrocket 1000% in Iraq... Talk about stupid. Think a little: It'll take more than a month, than a year, than maybe even 10 years to get Iraq oil production to the levels it was at before the American led assaults on its soil. Oil prices are skyrocketing not because of Iraq, but because of increased demand from the bulging Asian market.
in light of the evidence that some UN officials were profiting from the "oil for food" program that gave all sorts of kickbacks to the murderous tyrant Saddam. Talk about blood for oil .
And who started the obviously doomed from the beginning "Oil for Food" program? Why, it was the U.S. government! Who would have thought that sending billions of dollars to a greedy dictator would have the money misused? It seems rather stupid to have slapped embargos on Iraq in the first place, as you have just pointed out, the only people who suffered for it were the Iraqi people, and not the wealthy politicians.
I find it extremely entertaining to read the brainless comments of pro-Bushers as I call them, who spaz over the supposed threat of terrorism some countries pose to the U.S., and thus justify invading those countries and murdering millions of people in the process. The greatest terrorist in the world is the U.S. at this moment, because any country that advocates world peace by invading a harmless country like Iraq is nothing more than an international bully. The world hates the Bush administration - it's a fact. You can always adopt the attitude that everyone in the world is wrong except for the Bush administration, that the entire UN is wrong, that the millions of voters in Spain, Britain, France, Germany and other countries are wrong, and that the widespread public disapproval of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq is wrong. But to argue that would be ridiculous. I don't see any of you pro-war protesters out there dying for your country, like the many thousands of American soliders had to do. I don't see any of you willing to throw yourself on the frontlines of a battle and exchange your lives for a few barrels of oil that the greed of the Bush administration has decided war is worth.
DrewM
03-22-2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by mevam
Like the fact that the entire UN body minus the US and Britain is skeptical about the existance of ANY WMD in Iraq?
Wrong. The UN was very much in the belief that Iraq had WMD - that is why resolution 1441 was passed 15-0
Oil prices are skyrocketing not because of Iraq, but because of increased demand from the bulging Asian market.
Wrong again. Oil prices are high not because of demand - but because of supply rationing and increased profit taking by major oil companies.
..and thus justify invading those countries and murdering millions of people in the process.
Oh dear, wrong again. Fuzzy math by the sound of it.;)
Munchmausen
03-22-2004, 12:46 PM
Why shout simplistic slogans?
I dunno, I recall seeing a few
"Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"
"God Hates Gays"
"Saddam on a Platter"
"Hippies Go Home"
"Support Our Troops"
"God Bless America"
It seems the other side of the political fence has plenty of experience with short slogans, as well. But, you know what? That's FINE! Honestly, do you expect people to walk around with 30-page position papers scrawled on their posterboard? Gimme a break.
LionelHutz
03-22-2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by Munchmausen
It seems the other side of the political fence has plenty of experience with short slogans, as well.
Yes there are. But since I'm not one of the people making them I'm completely justified in pointing out their stupidity.
Pepper
03-22-2004, 01:29 PM
I was in Portland on Saturday and participated in a march where over 15,000 people attended.
There were old people, young people, professionals and radicals. I think the show of solidaritity is more a critisism of pre-emptive unilateral war based on lies.
Around the corner from the march, there was a small band of pro bush supporters who numbered maybe a dozen.
If people would speak to some of these anti war protesters I think you will find they aren't so stupid.
Karankawa
03-22-2004, 02:13 PM
Oh? Do they say something different from the crap you guys post on here?
Evil Homer
03-22-2004, 06:25 PM
why does everyone think it was unilateral? We had like 40 countries helping us in this. Many of them were small, but they still helped. So what we didnt have the support of Russia and Germany, big fukin loss.
WhammyBar
03-22-2004, 06:36 PM
Frankly, every group will have idiots in it. There liberals that do stupid things, and there's an ewual number of conservatives who do equally stupid things.
Overdose
03-22-2004, 06:49 PM
I was also at the Portland, Protest...and some of the "Republican" signs read
" We Love Our Troops, We Love Bush, So Shut Up And Go Home! "
Wow...some good reasons!
hahahahahaha
Overdose
03-22-2004, 06:51 PM
Another slogan the Republicans use, sometimes when protesting Gays, is
wow, I wonder who these people support...?
LionelHutz
03-22-2004, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Evil Homer
why does everyone think it was unilateral? We had like 40 countries helping us in this. Many of them were small, but they still helped.
Well apparently some people think that some countries are worthy and others aren't. Sort of like racism on a national level.
LionelHutz
03-22-2004, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Overdose
wow, I wonder who these people support...?
Well, you can't pick your supporters, now, can you? And for the record, yes, I think these people are morons.
Pepper
03-22-2004, 07:35 PM
Actually there were only 30, & I don't know how racism comes into play. It was still the US who ultimately decided to invade iraq. They called the shots, they pushed the buttons, they rolled in the troops.
Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.
WindWip
03-22-2004, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Evil Homer
why does everyone think it was unilateral? We had like 40 countries helping us in this. Many of them were small, but they still helped. So what we didnt have the support of Russia and Germany, big fukin loss.
We threatened countries to support us bud. The big ones didn't because they could survive without US trade, little ones would be hurt much more.
Overdose
03-22-2004, 08:00 PM
Spain was attacked because they supported us.
They are now pulling their troops out.
Japan, is having talks of bringing their troops home.
Countires were almost pushed to send over troops, and now they are realizing they are in danger, because the Iraq war isn't doing anything to make the world safer, from this so called terror, we are suppose to be fighting.
Travh20
03-22-2004, 08:04 PM
overdose, if spain was attacked for supporting us, why would the terrorists just not attack us?
Overdose
03-22-2004, 08:07 PM
Wow, because we have a lot of security (aka, airports, police), and Spain didn't.
Besides how do you know they aren't going to attack us?
We were supposed to be next? Right?
;)
Travh20
03-22-2004, 08:08 PM
so you admit that bush is doing a good job protecting us from terrorists?
Overdose
03-22-2004, 08:18 PM
The police, and air port security is doing a good job. Attacking Iraq isn’t. Besides Bush, I will admit has done an “OK” job at security on our planes. But he has failed to protect our allies. So in the mean time we have terrorist attacks on our quote “allies”, who we want to support us? Also, they said we might be next, after the Spain attacks. So no, I don’t think Bush has done a good job at attacking the organizations that may attack our allies or us.
Our security in our airports is not enough, and Bush isn’t doing enough. The security is a delay in something that could very well lead to a huge terrorist attack.
DrewM
03-22-2004, 08:52 PM
You think our planes are more secure?
Anyway that is like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Evil Homer
03-22-2004, 09:15 PM
so you dont think we will be attacked because we have massive security measures in place.
You also believe that we will be attacked because our security is horrifyingly insufficient to deal with the threat.
I dont recall the President threatening other countries to help us in the war. I just remember: You are either with us in this, or you aren't. And i would hardly call the UK, Spain, Japan, and Italy little countries.
And thanks Pepper for the list.
Karankawa
03-23-2004, 06:19 AM
But he has failed to protect our allies. So in the mean time we have terrorist attacks on our quote “allies”, who we want to support us?
Oh, okay, now we need to spend more money to beef up Spain's homeland security too? No thanks!!!!!
Overdose
03-23-2004, 06:25 AM
:o
You just don't see that if Bush was properly fighting terror, these attacks most likely would have been prevented. I never said to beef up Spain's security; I said to attack the organizations that threaten our safety, as well as our allies. But with these attacks, it's all showing that we are truly, not fighting the "terror" that needs to be addressed in this "war on terror.
Travh20
03-23-2004, 10:49 AM
oh please! you are so obviously just towing the party line. you know nothing of "fighting terrorism". you would spend all of your resources going after OBL, who is just a figure head for the terrorist movement. then I suppose after you caught him you would say mission accomplished and go back to living with your head up your ass. even if we do catch Bin Laden, the threat will remain. then you will just go on and say we created a bunch of new terrorists with all of our action against them. you will always be bitching, there is no stopping that. what you bitch about will change as your original "complaints" dissapear, but you will always piss and moan about Bush becasue you dont like him.
saycricket
03-23-2004, 11:15 AM
The police, and air port security is doing a good job. Attacking Iraq isn’t. Besides Bush, I will admit has done an “OK” job at security on our planes. But he has failed to protect our allies. So in the mean time we have terrorist attacks on our quote “allies”, who we want to support us? Also, they said we might be next, after the Spain attacks. So no, I don’t think Bush has done a good job at attacking the organizations that may attack our allies or us.
I have to agree with OD...but I do also believe that capturing OBL will send a message to his followers. I just believe that capturing OBL should have happened before the Iraq war, but hindsight is 20/20.
In reality, unless we close the borders and erect an iron box around our country, I'm not sure we'll ever be 100% safe from any attack. The same can be said for any nation.
And, although I do not agree with the Bush Administration (on just about every issue) I do have to wonder that if Al Gore were in office when 9/11 occurred, where would we be now? Seriously - any thoughts?? It's probably safe to say, also, that we wouldn't have gone to war with Iraq and lost so many soldiers, money, etc. But, would we as a nation have been better off?
Travh20
03-23-2004, 11:33 AM
If gore was in office, I can guarentee you that no action would have yet been taken. there would have been a lot of threats and hot air, but no boots would be on the ground anywhere. We would still be looking for whatever it was taht we did to make the terrorists hate s so much and attack us, the UN would be running the show and still debating whether or not it was legal to invade afghanistan. the al qaeda training camps would still be pumping out terrorists like an assembly line in Afghanistan, Saddam would be sitting in his ivory tower, Irans nukes would still be unkown, Lybia would feel no need to give up its stash of WMD. N Korea would still be blackmailing us into giving them all sorts of free stuff every time they decided to mention nukes, it would have been a mess.
WindWip
03-23-2004, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Evil Homer
I dont recall the President threatening other countries to help us in the war. I just remember: You are either with us in this, or you aren't. And i would hardly call the UK, Spain, Japan, and Italy little countries.
The population of the UK disagrees with the war, the move was political to keep relations with the US for fear they would lose them. Japan is pulling out now. France was reminded of the amount of trade we have with them and the revenue it brings in for them. Italy has given only a few hundred troops and there is talk of them pulling out. Whether they are big countries or not, their support is minimal.
WindWip
03-23-2004, 01:21 PM
If gore was in office, I can guarentee you that no action would have yet been taken. there would have been a lot of threats and hot air, but no boots would be on the ground anywhere.
Taking a guess that it could have been worse had we picked the other guy? That is the worst argument I have heard, you are almost admitting that Bush has screwed up badly.
If you truely believe that Bush has screwed up, then where is the harm in rescinding your support of him?
Travh20
03-23-2004, 01:42 PM
I was answering a question that someone asked. Saycricket asked our opinion on how life would be if gore won, so i gave it. it wasnt an argument. try reading through the post first next time.
saycricket
03-23-2004, 02:34 PM
True - for once I have to agree with Trav. (Damn!) :D
I didn't read any admitting by Trav that Bush has screwed up.
But it is curious to get others opinions on this issue.
I'm not sure Gore would have been the man for the job, knowing what we know now.
Here comes the FLACK!! :p
LionelHutz
03-23-2004, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by WindWip
Japan is pulling out now.
Do you just make stuff up?
Mr Koizumi, like Mr Aznar before him, is unwavering in his support of the war in Iraq.
. . .
On Saturday, Mr Koizumi showed no sign of retreating. "We must never buckle under to terrorist threats," he said. "The war against terror is a long haul. We have to commit ourselves."
Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1176049,00.html)
Anyone but Bush
03-23-2004, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
overdose, if spain was attacked for supporting us, why would the terrorists just not attack us?
Because Spain had an election before we did. They saw an opportunity and took it and it paid off like they had hoped. The old leaders that cowered to the Bush administration were voted out. The new leaders are still very willing to continue the fight against terrorists, they are just strong enough to not feign support for the illegal invasion of Iraq so that they can be bribed with construction contracts.
This is evident not only by the vote, but the demonstrations that followed their attacks. As much as the right says that they are appeasing the terrorists (and in a round about way they are), I believe that they have showing that they also won't be bullied by an arrogant, self-serving U.S. administration more than anything.
So they have actually attacked us in a metaphorical sense. They are showing the people in this country that there are very serious doubts about the veracity of the reasons for invading Iraq all over the world. And Spain has shown the other "Coalition of the Willing" that you don't have to be strong-armed by the Bush administration any longer. Hence, the other nations that have actually put troops in Iraq are all either pulling them out or considering it. As for the other 30 or so "countries" (most the size of Rhode Island and having no military at all), if they weren't so reliant on U.S. handouts for survival, I don't think that they would be supporting the war anymore either.
LionelHutz
03-23-2004, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Anyone but Bush
They are showing the people in this country that there are very serious doubts about the veracity of the reasons for invading Iraq all over the world.
Yeah, I'm sure the terrorists spend most of their time debating the veracity of the reasons for invading Iraq. :rolleyes:
Travh20
03-23-2004, 10:37 PM
anybody but bush, why would the terrorists want a government that was going to be tougher on them to be in charge?
astrapol2
03-24-2004, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Travh20
anybody but bush, why would the terrorists want a government that was going to be tougher on them to be in charge?
Because precisely the way Bush's govt is "tough" with terrorists makes them stronger !
Terrorists need a fanatic antagonist to motivate their new recruits.
Travh20
03-24-2004, 10:38 AM
wait, we were talking about the spanish government right?
mevam
03-24-2004, 06:05 PM
Bush was the weakest President when it came to countering terrorism. An nth amount of reports are coming out each month with each supporting the same fact: Bush failed America. When the Clinton adminstration gave the White House over to Bush, he was warned many times about the threat of a terror attack, and what did he do? He ignored it. Sounds like he was more concerned with planning his assault on Iraq than he was protecting American lives.
Here's a little newsflash for all of you, from a former Bush aide:
The government's former top counterterrorism adviser testified Wednesday that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than combatting terrorists while the Bush administration made it "an important issue but not an urgent issue." Richard Clarke told a bipartisan commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that "although I continued to say it (terrorism) was an urgent problem I don't think it was ever treated that way
Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Terrorism
Doesn't sound like Bush was too interested in saving lives.
Travh20
03-24-2004, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by mevam
Bush was the weakest President when it came to countering terrorism. An nth amount of reports are coming out each month with each supporting the same fact: Bush failed America. When the Clinton adminstration gave the White House over to Bush, he was warned many times about the threat of a terror attack, and what did he do? He ignored it. Sounds like he was more concerned with planning his assault on Iraq than he was protecting American lives.
Here's a little newsflash for all of you, from a former Bush aide:
Source: http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Terrorism
Doesn't sound like Bush was too interested in saving lives.
OK, let me explain to you why you are wrong on all accounts. first, this guy, dick clarke, is just a turn coate liberal. first he comes out with this book, and says how important it is, well 2 years after he leaves office he decides to talk, coincidentally right at the time of the release of his book and 60 minutes interview and al that. then he says to the panel that under Bush terrorism wasnt the highest prority, but under clinton it was. WTF??? if you believe that, you are complete moron. I am sorry, but thats the only way to say it. if you believe a president who sits back and allows the WTC to get bombed, 2 US Embassies to get destroyed, and a US Warship nearly sunk, all by terrorists, with harldy a retribution agaisnt them has the fight agaisnt terrorism as his highest priority you are either very gullible or just a left wing apologist. and the funniest thing is the supposed plan left on W;s desk by clinton, with detailed plans to take out al qaida. LMAO. tell me, if clintons top concern was terrorism, why did he not just enact the plan? why pass it along? he claims becasue he didnt have public opinion behind him, well that makes public opinion his highest priority, not terrorism! glad to hear he has his prioritys :rolleyes: its just more bullshit to try and clear clinton and his goons of any resposibility for 9-11 or the free pass given to al qaida up to 9-11. This makes me so mad to hear this kind of bullshit from the liberal media and people like this guy just accept it without question. check this out: in the panel, they suggested military action should have been taken against the terrorist before 9-11. there is a word for that, preemptive. now tell me, what was the attack on iraq all you bafoons cry about? preemptive. do you really think a bush attack on afghanistan before 9-11 would have been any more warmly recieved then the attack on Iraq? I know all of you liberals will say yes, becasue your entire argument agaisnt the war is based on hindsight, but in reality you would have hit the streets and protested the killing of innocent civilians and the toppeling of a foreign government by imperialist american forces. the thing that pisses me off the most is the contradiction and hypocrisy. if any of you liberal come out in favor of a pre 9-11 premptive strike on afghanistan, and denounce the same exact thing on iraq, you are nothing but hypocrits. no amount of spin is going to change that. :hitout:
LionelHutz
03-24-2004, 10:35 PM
Can you imagine what would've happened if Bush launched an attack on Afghanistan before 9/11?? The international outcry would have been deafening. The liberal in this country would be protesting (no blood for poppy seeds!)
Bush absolutely should've been more active in anti-terrorism efforts pre-9/11. I just don't think it would've done any good.
Pepper
03-25-2004, 12:49 PM
You know this guy Clarke has been serving this country through 4 presidents, Reagan Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr, to say he's a liberal?
Travh20
03-25-2004, 02:52 PM
LOL, his credibility has been destroyed simply by pointing out hi scontradictions. in one intervies he says there was no plan by clinton to fight terror, and in the next he says it was clintons highest priority. how can your highest priority not have a plan? its just so easily discredited but the liberal media sees fit to protect this guy becasue he is a tool in their quest to oust the president. if you do a little research, you will see the partisan lies this guy has spun. it was a personal thing, he didnt get all the authority he wanted, he got demoted, he had an axe to grind. just look into a bit at least, jsut dont believe everything you hear.
mevam
03-25-2004, 10:45 PM
^^^^^^
Nice philosophy there: "If I don't agree with them, they must be a liberal". Almost thought you had something intelligent to post.
Travh20
03-26-2004, 10:36 AM
look smart guy, go look into this guy and what he has said in the past. he has contradicted himself over and over agian, a clearly liberal trait if there ever was one
Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
look smart guy, go look into this guy and what he has said in the past. he has contradicted himself over and over agian, a clearly liberal trait if there ever was one
Trav I'm not in the habit of being self-contradictory and I consider myself mostly liberal. The truth is you overuse the term "liberal' and apply it to people you disagree with or don't like with little or no regard for their actual stand on issues. To you, the term is just another insult you can hurl in one of your vindictive tirades. I know you're capaple of the occasional intelligent post, but you just make yourself look bad by constantly calling people "liberal" just because you don't agree with them.
Travh20
03-26-2004, 03:26 PM
tell mem one person I have called a liberal that wasnt a liberal, and I never called drew a liberal, I asked if he was a conservative
Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
tell mem one person I have called a liberal that wasnt a liberal, and I never called drew a liberal, I asked if he was a conservative
I don't think you can tell if a person is a liberal by looking at their position on one issue. If you looked only at my views on gun control you would have to conclude that I was a conservative.
The point is that you you liberally (pun intended) apply labels to everyone, whether it's liberal, conservative, terrorist, or whatever. It's a very simplistic way of dealing with people, issues, and politics in general.
look smart guy, go look into this guy and what he has said in the past. he has contradicted himself over and over agian, a clearly liberal trait if there ever was one
You suggest that mevam should actually do some research on Clarke but in your original post about Clarke, you start out by saying:
OK, let me explain to you why you are wrong on all accounts. first, this guy, dick clarke, is just a turn coate liberal.
Unfortunately you don't explain why Clarke is a liberal or even why he's a turncoat. Maybe you can explain how being self-contradictory has anything to do with being liberal.
Travh20
03-26-2004, 03:42 PM
so you admit you cant find anyone I ahve called a liberal who isnt? (*waits for a slew of people to come forward and pronounce they are not liberals*)
Vilepagan
03-26-2004, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
so you admit you cant find anyone I ahve called a liberal who isnt? (*waits for a slew of people to come forward and pronounce they are not liberals*)
I admit I didn't look for people you have wrongly called liberal because that's not the point I was making. I never said you wrongly called people liberal, I said you use labels way too much, and that it is an overly simplistic way to view complex issues and people. You called Clarke a liberal but said nothing to back up that rather suspicious claim.
Again Trav, people are not such simple things that can be so easily labelled, if you have learned nothing else on these forums you should have learned that by now.
Overdose
03-26-2004, 04:01 PM
Trav you say Clarke is an in closet liberal…
I think you believe that anyone who is against Bush is a liberal…when that isn’t true.
People in Bush’s own cabinet have turned against him…
John McCain
Richard Clarke
And that’s bad when any candidate does not have full support from his own party
Oh and both my Grandmother’s, and Grandfather’s, WHO ARE ALL REGISTERED Republican, voted for Bush in the last election, are utterly appalled…and are voting John Kerry…but thanks anyway.
Travh20
03-26-2004, 04:08 PM
ho hum....oh ya, its funny, becasue I dont remember kerry getting the endorsment of anybody in his party. but why bother with that when we can point out that bush has recieved criticism. so anyway, your right, bush is through, lets just innagurate president kerry now and forget the whole fomality of voting.
Overdose
03-26-2004, 04:17 PM
http://www.johnkerry.com/dean/
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2004_0326b.html
Organizations--Media
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Akron Beacon Journal
Albany Times Union
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Boston Globe
Boston Herald
Boston Herald
Boston Phoenix
Cleveland Plain Dealer
New York Daily News
New York Times
Newsday
Portsmouth Herald
San Bernardino Daily Sun
San Francisco Chronicle
Santa Fe New Mexican
St. Paul Pioneer Press
The Detroit Free Press
The Baltimore Sun
The Los Angeles Daily News
Organizations--National
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Amalgamated Transit Union
American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO)
American Federation of Teachers
American Nurses Association
Communications Workers of America
International Association of Fire Fighters
League of Conservation Voters
National Treasury Employees Union
Retail, Wholesale, and Department Store Union
Sheet Metal Workers' International Union
United Farm Workers of America
Utility Workers Union of America
Organizations--State
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Chicago Teamsters, Local 705
Houston Professional Fire Fighters, Local 341
Massachusetts Nurses Association
Professional Firefighters of Massachusetts
Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Local Chapter 1199
United Food and Commercial Workers Union Local 1445
Washington State Firefighters
Individuals--Corporate
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Steve Boyer, SJ Boyer Construction
Rooz Dadabhoy, Businessman (Richmond, VA)
John Daniels, Attorney, Quarles and Brady; Chairman, North Milwaukee State Bank
Kenny 'Babyface' Edmunds, Music Producer
Mark Gorenberg, San Francisco Venture Capitalist
Irwin Jacobs, Co-founder/CEO of Qualcomm, San Diego, California
Quincy Jones, Musician and Record Producer
Marina Kim, Fairfax County (VA) Businesswoman
Nancy Morgan, Managing Director of JP Morgan Chase & Company
John Kenyatta Riley, Attorney
Deloris Sims, President, Legacy Bank
Richard Ziman, Los Angeles Real Estate Developer
Individuals--National
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Tom Allen, United States Representative (D-ME)
Aida Alvarez, Former Administrator, United States Small Business Administration
Chris Bell, United States Representative (D-TX)
Jeff Bingman, United States Senator (D-NM)
Sanford Bishop, United States Representative (D-GA)
Tim Bishop, United States Representative (D-NY)
Earl Blumenauer, United States Representative (D-OR)
Sherrod Brown, United States Representative (D-OH)
Maria Cantwell, United States Senator (D-WA)
Lois Capps, United States Representative (D-CA)
Michael E. Capuano, United States Representative (D-MA)
Ben Cardin, United States Representative (D-MD)
Henry Cisneros, Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Wesley Clark, Former Presidential Candidate, Former NATO Commander
Max Cleland, Former United States Senator (D-GA)
James Clyburn, United States Representative (D-SC)
Father Robert Cornell, St. Norbert College, Former US Congressman
Elijah Cummings, United States Representative (D-MD)
Bill Delahunt, United States Representative (D-MA)
Diane Feinstein, United States Senator (D-CA)
Harold Ford, Junior, United States Representative (D-TN)
Don Fowler, Former Democratic National Committee Chairman
Barney Frank, United States Representative (D-MA)
Richard Gephardt, United States Representative (D-MO), Former Presidential Candidate
John Glenn, Former United States Senator
Charles Gonzalez, United States Representative (D-TX)
Bob Graham, United States Senator (D-FL)
Gary Hart, Former United States Senator
Rubén Hinojosa, United States Representative (D-TX)
Ernest F. Hollings, United States Senator (D-SC)
Dennis Hopper, Actor
Steny Hoyer, United States Representative (D-MD), House Democratic Whip
Daniel Inouye, United States Senator (D-HI)
Claudia Kennedy, Lieutenant General United States General
Edward 'Ted' Kennedy, United States Senator (D-MA)
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Environmentalist
Ron Kind, United States Representative (D-WI)
Herb Kohl, United States Senator (D-WI)
Frank R. Lautenberg, United States Senator (D-NJ)
Carl Levin, United States Senator (D-MI)
Sander Levin, United States Representative (D-MI)
John Lewis, United States Representative (D-GA)
Nita Lowey, United States Representative (D-NY)
Stephen F. Lynch, United State Representative (D-MA)
Denise L. Majette, United States Representative (D-GA)
Carolyn Maloney, United States Representative (D-NY)
Edward J. Markey, United States Representative (D-MA)
Carolyn McCarthy, United States Representative (D-NY)
Jim McGovern, United States Representative (D-MA)
Martin T. Meehan, United States Representative (D-MA)
Kendrick Meek, United States Representative (D-FL)
Gregory Meeks, United States Representative (D-NY)
Bob Menendez, United States Representative (D-NJ), House Democratic Caucus Chair
Howard Metzenbaum, Former Ohio Senator
Barbara Mikulski,, United States Senator (D-MD)
Juanita Millender-McDonald, United States Representative (D-CA)
George Mitchell, Former United States Senator
Walter Mondale, Former United States Senator and Vice President, 1984 Democratic Nominee for United States President
Richard E. Neal, United States Representative (D-MA)
Bill Nelson, United States Senator (D-FL)
David Obey, United States Representative (D-WI)
Lyndon Olson, Ambassador
John W. Olver, United States Representative (D-MA)
Bill Pascrell, United States Representative (D-NJ)
Ed Pastor, United State Representative (D-AZ)
Chuck Rocha, National Political Director, United Steelworkers of America
Jay Rockefeller, United States Senator (D-WV)
Ciro Rodriguez, United States Representative (D-TX)
Dutch Ruppersberger, United States Representative (D-MD)
Paul Sarbanes, United States Senator (D-MD)
Arthur Schechte, Ambassador
Adam Schiff, United States Representative (D-CA)
Reverend Al Sharpton, Former Presidential Candidate
Louise McIntosh Slaughter, United States Representative (D-NY)
Louise Slaughter, United States Representative (D-NY)
Adam Smith, United States Representative (D-WA)
Aaron Sorkin, 'West Wing' Television Series Creator
Debbie Stabenow, United States Senator (D-MI)
Bart Stupak, United States Representative (D-MI)
Ellen Tauscher, United States Representative, (D-CA)
John F. Tierney, United States Representative (D-MA)
Mark Udall, United States Representative (D-CO)
Tom Udall, United States Representative (D-NM)
Chris Van Hollen, United States Representative (D-MD)
David Wilhelm, Former Clinton Campaign Manager, Former Democratic National Committee Chair
Joe Wilson, Former Ambassador
Individuals--State
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Ako Abdul-Samad, Community Activist
Bill Abitz, Fond du Lac County (WI) Board Member
Bruce Adams, Former Montgomery County (MD) Council Member
Dennis Adams, SecretaryTreasurer of the NH Building Trades Council
Amanda Aguirre, Arizona State Representative
Gary Allen, Business Agent, Plumbers & Steamfitters Local 400 (WI)
Carol Alvarado, Houston (TX) Mayor Pro Tempore
Raul Alvarez, Austin (TX) Councilman
Carl Amento, Hamden (CT) Mayor
John Antaramian, Kenosha (WI) Mayor
Carl Arnoldi, Vice President, Green Bay Electrical Workers, Local 158
Don Bailey, President, National Postal Mail Handlers, Local 333
Bob Baines, Mayor of Manchester, NH
Rushern Baker, Former Delegate
John Baldacci, Governor of Maine
Raymond Baldwin, Trumbull (CT) First Selectman
Scott Bales, Former Arizona Solicitor General
Alan Banov, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Nancy Barker, Winnebago County Board (WI)
Ben Barnes, Former Texas Lt. Governor
Stu Barns, President of the Des Moines Police Union
Ben Baroody, New Hampshire State Representative
Kumar Barve, Delegate
Clifton Below, New Hampshire State Senator
Steve Benjamin, Attorney in Columbia, South Carolina; Former candidate for South Carolina Attorney General
Dan Besseck, Howard County (MD) Central Committee Member
Jennifer Biancuzzo, Environmental Activist
Maryann Blanchard, New Hampshire State Representative
Roger Blietz, Retail, Wholesale, and Department Store Union, Local 110
Rick Blindt, President International Association of Fire Fighters, Local 607
Elizabeth Bobo, Delegate and Former Howard County (MD) Executive
Mark Bodi, Democratic activist
Jeff Bono, Town of Newstead Democratic Chairman
Ann Bourque, Former New Hampshire State Senator and Former Alderman
Sherri Breckenridge, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, Local 2840
Michael Breslin, Albany County Executive
Ed Brey, Manitowoc County (WI) Sheriff
Mary Brickle, Former Fond du Lac County (WI) Register of Deeds
Mary Brickle, Former Registrar of Deeds, Fond Du Lac (WI)
Gerry Broderick, County Supervisor (WI)
Raymer Brogan, Business Agent, Plumbers and Pipefitters, Local 125
Alton Brown, American Federation of State, Local, and Municipal Employees, Local 2989
Byron W. Brown, New York State Senator
Jennifer Brown, Democratic State Committee Member
Lee Brown, Former Houston (TX) Mayor
Kurt Brunner, Political Director, Heartland Regional Council of Carpenters
Neil Brunner, Retired Steelworker
Sharon Bulova, Vice Chair of Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
Marwan Burgan, Democratic Activist
Vicky Burke, LaCrosse County (WI) Democratic Party
Bill Burlison, Anne Arundel County (MD) Councilmember
Mike Busch, Maryland House Speaker
Ernest Bustamante, Arizona State Representative
Michael Cadigan, Member Albuquerque (New Mexico) City Council
Jon Cardin, Delegate
Ike Carothers, Chicago Alderman
Jill Carter, Delegate
Mark Carusso, President of the College Democrats, UW-Eau Claire
Ron Chagnon, Strafford County (NH) Commissioner
Donna M. Christensen, U.S. Virgin Islands Delegate to Congress, Chair of Congressional Black Caucus Health Braintrust
Henry Cisneros, Former HUD Secretary and Former Mayor of the City of San Antonio
Martha Fuller Clark, Former New Hampshire State Representative
Burt Cohen, New Hampshire State Senator for 7 Terms, Candidate for United States Senate
Bill Cole, Former Delegate
Dan Cole, Business Agent, Iron Workers Local 8 (WI)
Shirley Coleman, Chicago Alderman
Rey Colon, Chicago Alderman
Michael Comeau, Former Delegate
Kevin Conlon, Illinois Dean State Chair
Tracy Conner, Union Representative, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, Council 61
Gerry Connolly, Chairman of the Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
Robert Cook, NY State Party Executive Committee Vice Chair
Donna Crum, Retired, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, Local 299
Andrew Cuomo, Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary (NY)
Mario Cuomo, Former Governor of New York
Bobby Curran, Baltimore (MD) City Councilmember
Joe Curran, Maryland Attorney General
Dick D'Amato, Former Delegate
Michael D'Amato, Alderman
Gabby Daneault, Former State Representative
Jeff Danielson, Past President, International Association of Fire Fighters, Local 1366
Brian C. Davis, Buffalo, NY Councilman
Charles 'Chip' Davis, Plumbers and Pipefitters, Local 125
Dereck Davis, Delegate
Lanny Davis, Former White House Special Counsel
Steve Davis, Illinois State Representative
Tiger Davis, Delegate
Wendy Davis, Fort Worth (TX) City Councilwoman
Yvonne Davis, Texas State Representative
Steve DeBoy, Delegate
Joe Dececco, District Attorney
Jim Decker, Business Manager, Carpenters Local 410
Joe DeCock, Dean Meet-Up Host
R. Creigh Deeds, Virginia State Senator
John DeJoie, New Hampshire State Representative
Diane D. Denish, New Mexico Lieutenant Governor
John DeStefano, New Haven (CT) Mayor
George Disnard, Former New Hampshire State Senator
Walt Dixie, Founder of the Alliance Network
Ray Dochterman, President, Cedar Rapids and Iowa City Building Trades
James Doherty, President of the Illinois Federation of Teachers
Jim Donlevy, President, CWA Local 4620 (WI)
Randy Donnelly, President, American Federation of Government Employees, Local 219
Kevin Doyle, Central Committee Member
Steve Doyle, Chairman, LaCrosse County (WI) Board of Supervisors
Phyllis Dresen, Racine (WI) Alderman
Matthew J. Driscoll, Mayor of Syracuse
Susan Dyer, Norfolk (CT) First Selectwoman
Eddie DuBlois, President of PACE Local (NH)
Kathleen Dumais, Delegate
Tyrone Dumas, Coordinator of Neighborhood Programs, Milwaukee Public Schools
Doug Duncan, Montgomery County (MD) Executive
Chris Dunn, Illinois Delegate Selection Team and MeetUp Host
Maurine Duval, Manchester (NH) Democratic Activist
John Early, Democratic Activist
Arthur Edmunds, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Kurt Elling, Grammy nominated Jazz artist
Rodney Ellis, Texas State Senator
Iris Estabrook, New Hampshire State Senator
Jim Estepp, Prince Georges County Council Member
Malik Evans, Rochester City School Board Member-Elect
Jodi Ewing, Monona County (IA) Vice Chair
John Fabrizi, Bridgeport (CT) Mayor
Dianne Farrell, Westport (CT) First Selectwoman
Marty Farrell, Fond du Lac County (WI) Board Member
Sara Feigenholtz, Illinois State Representative
Brian Feldman, Delegate
Gayl Ferraro, DuPage County Democratic Chair
Beth Ferree, Activist
C. Virginia Fields, Manhattan Borough President, New York
Tony Fikes, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)
Donna Fink, Iowa State Education Association
Arlene Fisher, Baltimore City (MD) Central Committee Member
Jesse Fisher, Firefighter, Oshkosh Local 316 (WI)
Steve Fisher, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Kenneth Flatto, Fairfield (CT) First Selectman
Jackie Flood, Merrimack (NH) Activist
Peter Flood, Environmental Leader, Former Candidate for United States Congress
Nancy Floreen, Montgomery County (MD) Council Member
Tom Flynn, Former Iowa State Senator
Eileen Foley, New Hampshire Senate Democratic Leader
Bob Forbes, Chair of Consumer Affairs, United Auto Workers, Local 893
Jennie Forehand, Maryland State Senator
Janet Fortnam, Former New Hampshire State Representative
Linda Foster, Clinton (Iowa) Education Association
Lynn Foster, Vermilion County (IL) Clerk
Paul Fraim, Mayor of Norfolk, VA
Peter Franchot, Delegate
Peter Franklin, New Hampshire State Representative
Brian Frosh, Maryland State Senator
Barbara Frush, Delegate
Michael Fry, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local 13
Pete Gallego, Texas State Representative
Louise Gallun, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Doug Gansler, Maryland State's Attorney
David Gantt, New York Assemblyman
Sylvia Garcia, Harris County (TX) Commissioner
Wes Garvey, Mayor of Somers and the Calhoun County Chair
Dave Gee, Firefighter, Oshkosh Local 316 (WI)
John Gee, Firefighter, Oshkosh Local 316 (WI)
Richard Gee, Green Bay Professional Firefighters, Local 141 (WI)
Guy Geinzer, Sheet Metal Workers, Local 263
Dave Gelinas, Manchester (NH) School Board Member
Gil Genn, Former Delegate
Julie Glancey, County Clerk
Bea Gonzalez, President, Common Council of Syracuse
Mike Gordon, Delegate
Jennifer Granholm, Governor of Michigan
Mark Green, 2001 New York City Mayoral Candidate
Paul Grenier, Berlin (NH) City Councilor and Coos County Commissioner
Eric Griego, Member Albuquerque (New Mexico) City Council
Kathy Groat, Appleton City (WI) Council
Barbara Gross, Morgan County (IL) Clerk
Penny Gross, Member of Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
Bob Guest, Former New Hampshire State Representative
Guy Guzzone, Howard County (MD) Council President
James Haddox, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local 347
Jef Hall, Winnebago County Democrats (WI)
Kate Hanley, Former Chairman of the Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
Dave Hansen, Wisconsin State Senator
Richard Hansen, Vernon County Supervisor
Janet Hanson, AFSCME local President
Don Harmon, Illinois State Senator
Nina Harper, Baltimore City (MD) Central Committee Member
Ruben Harpole, Helen Bader Foundation
Jonathan Harris, West Hartford (CT) Mayor
Keith Hartman, President, Carpenters & Joiners, Local 2704
Terry Hartnett, Vice Chair of Braddock District (VA) Democratic Committee
Terry Hartnett, Vice Chair of Braddock District Democratic Committee
Hank Heller, Delegate
Susan Heltemes, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Marisol Hernandez, Commissioner of the Syracuse Board of Education
Mike Hessenius, Member, Plumber and Pipefitters Local, 125
Joe Heyrman, Business Manager, Laborer's Local 539 (WI)
Juan Hinojosa, Texas State Senator
Sheila Hixson, Delegate
John Hoar, President of the NH Association for the Elderly
Randy Hoenish, Sheriff
Dave Hogan, President of Carpenters Local 308
Lee Holloway, Chairman, Milwaukee Board of Supervisors
Bob Holstein, Harrison County Democratic Chair
Kevin Horner, Shift Steward, International Association of Fire Fighters, Local 16
Cathy Hudgins, Member of Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
http://vote-smart.org/endorsements.php?can_id=S0421103#50
Overdose
03-26-2004, 04:17 PM
That's all I could find, for now..but if you want more.....
Neil Humphrey, Jackson County (WI) Supervisor
Gerald Hyland, Member of Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
John Hynes, Portsmouth (NH) City Councilor
Pauline Ikawa, Democratic Activist
Bev Ingersoll, Berlin (NH) City Councilor
Mary & Jake Ingvolstad, Activists
Glenn Ivey, Maryland State's Attorney
Tim Jacobsen, Vice Chair, Third District Democratic Party
Fran Jeffers, Activist
Jeremy Johanski, Students for Kerry Leader, UW Green Bay
Jacqueline Johnson, Democratic Activist
Steve Johnson, Former Executive Council Candidate
Willie Johnson, Supervisor, County of Milwaukee
Marlene Johnson-Odom, Alderman
Don Johnston, 17th District Illinois State Central Committeeman
Jerry Johnstone, Retired Railroad Worker
Patty Judge, Iowa Agriculture Secretary
John Kacavas, Former New Hampshire State Representative
Cheryl Kagan, Former Delegate
Anne Kaiser, Delegate
Naomi Kalies, Students for Kerry Leader, Lawrence College
Peggy Katkocin, New Fairfield (CT) First Selectwoman
Dana Kauffman, Member of Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
Mary Lou Kearns, Illinois State Central Committee Member
Chris Kehas, Former School Board Member (NH)
Jerry Keifenheim, Former Fond du Lac County (WI) Board Member
Donna Kessler, Brown County (WI) Democrats, Retired Schoolteacher
Ray Kight, Montgomery County (MD) Sheriff
Nancy King, Delegate
Tom Kitchen, Former Democratic Chair
Ann Klees, Allamakee County (IA) Chair
Thomas Klein, Candidate for Alderman, Manitowoc (WI)
Alex Knopp, Norwalk (CT) Mayor
Jim Kraft, Baltimore City (MD) Councilmember
Rona Kramer, Maryland State Senator
Rose Krasnow, Former Mayor
Gaylen Kreiser, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Debbie Krueger, Head Start Parent Involvement Coordinator, GBEA
Jack Krueger, Wisconsin State Representative
Karen Kubisiak, Treasurer
Debra Kudalis, New Hampshire State Representative
Peggy Kugler, Chair of Braddock District (VA) Democratic Committee
John Lamby, Mayor of Kaukauna (WI)
Sylvia Larsen, New Hampshire State Senator
Emilie Larson, Fairfax County (VA) Democratic Committee
Tim Larson, East Hartford (CT) Mayor
Gloria Lawlah, Maryland State Senator
Barbara Lawton, Lieutenant Governor of Wisconsin
Tim Leahy, Secretary-Treasurer of the Chicago Federation of Labor
Larry LeClair, Former State Commander, DAV (WI)
Calvin Lee, Monroe County (NY) Legislator
Roland Lefebvre, New Hampshire State Representative
Ken Leidner, Prominent New Hampshire Veteran
Mike Lennett, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Richard Lenz, Vernon County (WI) Supervisor
Russ Lett, Amalgamated Transit Union, Local 323
Belinda Lewis, President, College Democrats, UW-Stout
Sarah Little, President of AFSCME Local 231
Gary Locke, Governor of Washington
Chip Lowe, Attorney
Mary Luckern, Ontario County (NY) Supervisor
Ben Lujan, Speaker of the New Mexico House
Kenneth Lumpkin, County Board of Supervisors (WI)
Marilyn Lyons, Clinton (Iowa) Education Association
Jackie Madry-Taylor, Chair of Hunter Mill (VA) District
Joseph Maestas, Espanola (New Mexico) City Councilor
Dan Malloy, Stamford (CT) Mayor
Jimmy Malone, Delegate
Adrienne Mandel, Delegate
Eileen Manning, Vice-Chair of Fairfax County (VA) Democratic Committee
Andrea Marks, Students for Kerry Leader, St. Norbert College (WI)
Bill Marovitz, Vice Chairman of Illinois Democratic Party
Charlie Martenson, President of the Eau Claire Area Labor Council
Brian Martin, Business Agent, Plumbers and Pipefitters, Local 125
Dester Martin, African-American Chamber of Commerce
John Matthews Jr., South Carolina State Senator
Frank Maurizio, Schenectady (NY) City Council President
Beth Ann May, Illinois State Central Committee Member
Tom McBride, Newington (CT) Mayor
Bill McCann, Former New Hampshire State Representative, Former School Board Chair, State Committee Member, 2002 Candidate for Executive Council
Tim McCrone, State's Attorney (MD)
Paul McEachern, New Hampshire State Representative and Former Democratic Nominee for Governor
Adam McFadden, City Councilman-Elect (NY)
Jim McGreevey, Governor of New Jersey
Tony McGuffin, Howard County (MD) Central Committee Member
Maggie McIntosh, Delegate
Joe Mckeown, United Auto Workers, Local 281
Francis McLaughlin, Town of Eden Democratic Chairman
Lu Ann McNabb, Democratic Activist
Michael McPherson, Howard County (MD) Central Committee Member
Ned Ray McWherter, Former Governor of Tennessee
Dennis Mehiel, Former Candidate for New York State Lieutenant Governor
Andrew Mercil, President, UW-LaCrosse College Democrat
Terry Metz, Editor of the Rank and File Newsletter, United Auto Workers, Local 893
Tom Meyer, Former Winnebago County (IL) Chair
Lee Meyerhofer, Former State Representative, Kaukauna City Council, President
Alice Michaelson, Winnebago County (WI) Democrats
Emilie Miller, Former Virginia State Senator
Tom Miller, Iowa Attorney General
Karen Milligan, Democratic Activist
John Miranda, Vice Chair of Fairfax County (VA) Democratic Committee
Heather Mizeur, City Council Member
Brian Moe, Delegate
R. Michael Mohler, President of Virginia Professional Fire Fighters Association
Loius J. Molepske, Jr., Wisconsin State Representative
Terry Monfort, Sr, Green Bay Electrical Workers, Local 158, candidate for County Board
Marilyn Montemayor, Alderman
Karen Montgomery, Delegate
Harold Moore, Reverend
Joe Moore, Chicago Alderman
Greta Moran, Chair of Merrimack (NH) Democrats
Ray Morin, Wethersfield (CT) Mayor
Pat Morrison, International Association of Fire Fighters
James Ward Morrow, Baltimore City (MD) Central Committee Member
Mary Ann Mulvey, City Council, Menasha (WI)
Rick Munoz, Chicago Alderman
Joan Murphy, Cook County (IL) Commissioner
Michael Murphy, Alderman
Kevin Murray, Monroe County (NY) Legislator
J.P. Nadeau, Former Rockingham County (NH) Democratic Committee Chair
Janet Napolitano, Governor of Arizona
Denise L. Nappier, Former Connecticut State Treasurer
Ayesha Nariman, Candidate for 26th Congressional District of NY
Shirley Nathan-Pulliam, Delegate
Jeff Nelson, Former President, IUE Local 846, Former IUE District 8 Executive, Army Veteran
Jim Neuens, President, Green Bay Electrical Workers, Local 158
Michael Nieft, Green Bay Professional Firefighters, Local 141
Paul Niemann, Teamsters, Local 238
John Niemiec, Political Director of Virginia Professional Fire Fighters Association
Leslie Niles, Appleton City Council (WI)
Wade Norwood, City Councilman (NY)
Samuel Ntonme, Student Activist
Andy Nunn, Monroe (CT) First Selectman
Tom O'Heron, Business Representative, Machinists Union District 66
Kevin OKeefe, Deputy Assistant to the President and Coordinator of the 1992 Clinton Campaign in Illinois
Ed O'Leary, Retired, Mail Carrier
Martin O'Malley, Baltimore City (MD) Mayor
James Offord, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Rene Oliveir, Texas State Representative
Leonard Orlando, Green Bay Professional Firefighters, Local 141
Gerald Ott, Retired, National Staff Union (Iowa State Education Association)
Eric Palangas, New Hampshire State Representative
Rosetta Parker, Delegate
Jerome Pata, Commander, VFW Post 7753, Mishicot (WI)
John Patrick, Sub-Director District 12 (TX) , United Steelworkers of America
Greg Pecoraro, Democratic National Committeeman
Tim Pefferman, United Auto Workers, Local 893
Ann Peggs, Green Bay Professional Firefighters, Local 141
Steve Peggs, Green Bay Professional Firefighters, Local 141
Shane Pendergrass, Delegate
Braulio Pereyra, Vice President, United Food and Commercial Workers
David Perez, Rochester City School Board Member-Elect
Eddie Perez, Hartford (CT) Mayor
Juan Perez, Alderman
Richard Perkins, Nevada Assembly Speaker
Virginia Ginny Peters, Chair of Fairfax County (VA) Democratic Committee
Ken Petersen, Manitowoc County (WI) Sheriff
Laurel Phipps, Retired, United Auto Workers, Local 893
Deborah Pignatelli, Former New Hampshire State Senator
Michael Pignatelli, Former Nashua (NH) Alderman
Gina Pippert, Chair, United Auto Workers, Local 10
Marc Plamondon, Nashua (NH) Alderman
Mark Poloncarz, Erie County Democratic Party Executive Committee Member
Robert Poole, Jr, Winnebago County (WI) Democrats
Dennis Popp, Groton (CT) Mayor
Marilyn Praisner, Montgomery County (MD) Councilmember
Steve Preckwinkle, Director of Political Activities for the United Federation of Teachers
Steve Price, Business Manager, Plumbers and Pipefitters, Local 125
Linda T. 'Toddy' Puller, Virginia State Senator
Roger Quindel, County Supervisor
Owen Quinn, Torrington (CT) Mayor
Pat Quinn, Illinois Lieutenant Governor
Neil Quinter, Delegate
David Rakes, Howard County (MD) Council Member
Raymond Rankin, Howard County (MD) Central Committee Member
Sandy Raymond, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Frank Reidy, Former New Hampshire State Representative
Helen Reidy, Democratic Activist
Shirley Reis, Fond du Lac County (WI) Board Member
Tom Reisdorf, Past President, National Association of Letter Carriers, Branch 257
Jon Richards, Wisconsin State Representative
Jim Robey, Howard County (MD) Executive
Paul Robitaille, Coos County (New Hampshire) Democratic Chair
Wayne Rogers, Former State Party Chair (MD)
Sandy Rosenberg, Delegate
Herb Rosenthal, Newtown (CT) First Selectman
John Ross, Firefighter, Oshkosh Local 316 (WI)
Lewis Rosser, Professor, Ripon College
Allen Roth, Post Commander, American Legion 417
Mitch Rowe, Monroe County (NY) Legislator
Mark Roy, Manchester (NH) Alderman
Deanna Rush, New Hampshire State Representative
J.D. Salinas, Hidalgo County (TX) Clerk
Barbara Samorajczyk, Anne Arundel County (MD) Councilmember
Alex Sanders, Former College of Charleston president, Appeals Court judge, Former U.S. Senate candidate from South Carolina
Gladys Santiago, City Councilwoman (NY)
John Sarette, Former New Hampshire State Representative
Sara Sarette, Democratic Activist
Wayne Sawtelle, President, International Association of Fire Fighters, Local 16
William Donald Schaefer, Maryland Comptroller
Lynn Schenk, Chief of Staff to Governor Gray Davis
Marlin D. Schneider, Wisconsin State Representative
Dee Schofield, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Steven Schroeder, Retail, Wholesale, and Department Store Union, Local 263
Gene Schulter, Chicago Alderman
Bill Schwulst, Winnebago County (WI) Democrats
Fredrick M. Scicchitano, Olean City (NY) Chair
Doug Scott, Rockford (IL) Mayor
Jim Scott, Virginia State Representative
Nancy Scovner, New Hampshire State Representative
Donna Seidel, Clerk of Courts
Jay Selissen, Green Bay Professional Firefighters, Local 141
Jim Servais, Chair, Vernon County Democratic Party
Stanley Severich, Winnebago County (WI) Board
Bill Shaheen, Attorney, Former U.S. Attorney and Judge; State Chair for Carter 1976, Gore 2000
Jeanne Shaheen, Former Governor of New Hampshire
Eliot Shapleigh, Texas State Senator
Susan Shea, Former Sangamon County Democratic Party Chair and Current President of Illinois Democratic Women
Mark Shearer, Former Washington State Senator
Emmett Shepard, President, TX AFL-CIO
Justin Shields, President, Hawkeye Labor Council and Past President Retail, Wholesale, and Department Store Union, Local 110
Sheldon Silver, Speaker of the New York State Assembly
Steve Silverman, Montgomery County (MD) Council President
Luiz Simmons, Delegate
Dr. Donnie Sims, Pastor, Jerusalem Missionary Baptist Church; President, General Baptist State Convention
Francis Slay, Mayor of St. Louis
Jim Smith, Baltimore County (MD) Executive
Linda Smyth, Member of Fairfax County (VA) Board of Supervisors
Chris Sowa, Activist
Eliot Spitzer, New York Attorney General
Paul Stankus, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Bruce Steffel, Business Agent, Green Bay Electrical Workers, Local 158
Linda Stewart, President, North Milwaukee State Bank
Reed Stockman, Democratic Activist
Stephanie Stokes, Treasurer
Jeff Stone, Former Town of Grand Island Democratic Chairman
Doug Struyk, Iowa State Representative
Mike Subin, Montgomery County (MD) Councilmember
Mike Suchula, President, LaCrosse (WI) Fire Fighters Union
Jeff Swiatek, Cheektowaga, NY Councilman and Erie County Democratic Party Treasurer
Gayle Syposs, Erie County Democratic Party Vice Chair & Tonowanda Chair
Casper Caz Taylor, Former Speaker of the Maryland House of Delegates
Len Teitelbaum, Maryland State Senator
John Tekippe, President of Des Moines Firefighters Union
Hank Thibeault, Manchester (NH) Alderman
Betty Thibodeau, Chair of Seabrook (NH) Democrats
Lee Thielmann, Member, Plumbers and Pipefitters
Ronnie Thomas, Monroe County (NY) Legislator
Ted Thomas, Chicago Alderman
John Thompson, President, Teacher's Union
Layton Thompson, Vernon County (WI) Supervisor
Richard Thompson, Appleton City (WI) Council
Shawn Thompson, Saratoga Springs (NY) City Chair
Shirley Thompson, Rochester School Board President
Lillie Thompson-Martin, Fairmount Heights, MD Mayor
Michael Thurmond, Georgia Labor Commissioner
Robert Timmerman, Union Representative, Carpenters Local 4
Nan Todd, Clerk of Circut Courts
Donald Trinks, Windsor (CT) Mayor
Craig Trost, Democratic State Membership Director
Carlos Truan, Former Texas State Senator
Kathy Trussoni, Principal of Veroqua Elementary School, Superintendent of Veroqua School District
Victoria Turner, Delegate
John Tuttle, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, Council 61
Ken Ulman, Howard County (MD) Council Member
Paul Van Cott, New York State Committee Member
Leticia Van de Putte, Texas State Senator
Gary Van Sistine, Former Wisconsin State Senator
Rita Vargas, Scott County Recorder
Ted Venetoulis, Former Baltimore County (MD) Executive
Antonio Villaraigosa, Los Angeles City Councilman
Gratzia Villarroel, Professor, St. Norbert College
Christie Vilsack, First Lady of Iowa
Ben Vineburg, Young Democrats Students Leader, Green Bay
Juan Vitali, Democratic Activist
Doug Waech, Firefighter, Oshkosh Local 316
Mary Beth Walz, Democratic Activist
Bob Ward, Howard County (MD) Central Committee Member
William Ward, Mayor of Chesapeake, VA
Mark Warner, Governor of Virginia
Dean Warren, Vernon County (WI) Supervisor
Amelida Ortiz Weinmann, Erie County Democratic Party Sergeant-at-Arms
John Weishan, County Supervisor
Lori Weiss, Environmental Activist
Pat Welch, Assistant Majority Leader of the Illinois State Senate
Roger Wendt, Iowa State House, Retired, Iowa State Education Association
Lee Wengrzyn, Vietnam Veteran, DAV Chapter 3, Decorated War Veteran, 4 Bronze Stars
Marvin Weyenberg, Commander, VFW Post 2037 (WI)
Randy Weytens, President, Green Bay Building and Constructions Trades Council
Howard White, Eau Claire (WI) City Council President
Vilma White, Montgomery County (MD) Central Committee Member
Mary Whitehead, Democratic Activist
Frank Wiley, Retired, Glass Molders, Pottery, Plastics, and Allied Workers
Bob Williams, African-American Chamber of Commerce
Sylvia Williams, Baltimore City (MD) Central Committee Member
Wanda F. Willingham, Albany County Legislator
Lovie Winslow, Onondaga County (NY) Legislator
Nelson Wolff, Former San Antonio (TX) Mayor
Troy Wolff, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, Local 3013
Chuck Wredt, American Postal Workers Union, Local 11
Roger Wrycza, County Clerk
Corey Yonkovich, President, Onalaska Fire Fighters Union
Shannon Young,, Professional Firefighters, Appleton Local 257
Frank Zappala, State Committee Member
Tom Zehme, Shop Steward, Retail, Wholesale, and Department Store Union, Local 110
Bobby Zirkin, Delegate
Hank Zumach, LaCrosse County (WI) Democratic Party Executive Board
http://vote-smart.org/endorsements.php?can_id=S0421103#50
Travh20
03-26-2004, 04:23 PM
what is that supposed to be?
Overdose
03-26-2004, 04:25 PM
"its funny, becasue I dont remember kerry getting the endorsment of anybody in his party."
If you look carefully you can see that a lot of Dems have supported Kerry.
Wow, read your own posts.....you asked for the list...
Travh20
03-26-2004, 05:33 PM
LOL, grandma and grandpa overdose, democrat activists and a county clerk is not what I was looking for :rolleyes:
Overdose
03-26-2004, 06:59 PM
Dean, and almost all of the other democratic nominees have pledged for Kerry. If you look carefully at the list, you will see a lot of Democrats are in support of Kerry. No democrat has turned against him, unlike on Bush's side...
Funny...isn't it?
LionelHutz
03-26-2004, 10:02 PM
Disagreeing and turning against are different things. McCain's not going to vote against Bush. And by the way, he wasn't in Bush's cabinet - he's a senator.
I'm not sure why we're debating the issue of whether democrats will support the democratic nominee and republicans will support the republican nominee.
Travh20
03-26-2004, 10:09 PM
what about zell miller, democrat US senator, he came out and endorsed bush the other day