Chicken Chumps (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-03-12-chicken-cards_x.htm)


FORT WAYNE, Ind. (AP) — An animal-rights group ruffled some feathers by handing out chicken-themed trading cards to children after school.
Representatives from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, including a person dressed in an 8-foot-tall chicken costume, passed out "Chicken Chumps" trading cards to Lincoln Elementary School students Thursday. The cards showed unhappy-looking children with names such as "Cruel Kyle," eating chicken.

Carol Mills, who walks her children home from the school every day, questioned the tactics of PETA.

"How mature are these people to come harass elementary school kids because they eat chicken nuggets?" she said. "Are they serious?"

Ravi Chand, a PETA campaign coordinator, said the oversized chicken accompanying him brought a message of caring and compassion to the children.

But school board Secretary Jon Olinger said an elementary school was the wrong place for PETA to spread its message.

"I think it's pathetic that they're aiming a political message at 8-, 9-, 10-, 11-year-olds," he said. "It's a professional terrorist organization as far as I'm concerned."

Olinger said he would not mind if PETA targeted high school students, but that trying to get at parents through young children is wrong.

PETA often stages demonstrations to push its message of better treatment of animals. The group's visit to Fort Wayne was part of a multicity tour, and the group picked Lincoln Elementary because it is one of the largest elementary schools in the city, Chand said.

In my book, PETA = People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

mmmmm.....chicken..

wheb my freind was in 7th grade PETA came to his miffle school and had really gruesome pictures of dead animals on posters and stuff. apparently they were really harassing kids after school. they do stuff like that all the time, and it' really obnoxious and not at all called for. they should sitck to high schools and fashion shows.

not a big fan of PETA myself, they make people think that normal vegetarians must be some sort of crazy leftists. ok...well....i am a crazy leftist. but not in the harassing middle schoolers type of way.

sometimes I think that in all their ravings about animal rights, the PETA people forget that humans have rights too...

PETA = idiots

Everytime Peta does one of these actions dialoge opens. The gruesome pictures they are shown are food. This is how food in the U.S. is slaughtered. I imagine if more people experienced the conditions of animal slaughter, there would be more vegetarians.

I see much worse on prime time televison.

PETA= Effective.

PETA = CHILD STALKERS

Originally posted by Pepper
Everytime Peta does one of these actions dialoge opens. The gruesome pictures they are shown are food. This is how food in the U.S. is slaughtered. I imagine if more people experienced the conditions of animal slaughter, there would be more vegetarians.

I see much worse on prime time televison.

PETA= Effective.

Yeah, I'm the one that opens the dialogue every time. You know, if PETA wants to show slaughterhouse pictures to high school students, I don't have a problem with that. But I wouldn't put up with this any more than most people on the other side of the political fence would put up with right to lifers handing out abortion pictures to kindergartners. Which unfortunately they probably do.

http://www.vegkids.com/vegkids/page/chickenchumpscards.pdf

I don't think these are the same a doctored photo of aborted fetuses.

I honestly think that PETA's methods are good and efective, but miscuided. they shouldn't being showing picture of animals being lsuaghtered to little kids, just as pro lifers shouldn't be shwoing pictures of aborted fetuses to little kids. once someone reaches high school age, it's pretty acceptable to present them with information andi mages of that sort, and it probably works extremely well, but it's really not right to disturb little kids so much. PETA should wait until kids are old enough to have more control over their lives, and until they are mature enough to handle the information being presented to them. anything else is simply carelessness.

propeganda......



I imagine if more people experienced the conditions of animal slaughter, there would be more vegetarians.

I would tend to disagree.....people have been slaughtering their own kill for millenia and it's messy work, yet thousands of years later we remain carniverous. Only lately in time have we had other people do our dirty work for us.

Look at inuit people living in the Arctic circle, their food is primarily from the sea, mostly seal meat. They are well aware of the circumstances under which their meat was slaughtered, and I don't see them turning veggie any time soon. I would tend to think that theirs was a cleaner kill too. People have gotten soft.

I agree, but I'm not talking about hunter gatherers I'm talking about mass industrial slaughter that exists in the United States.

It must be pretty nasty. They should target the consumer not there kids. it's not like they are buying or cooking meat. I am lucky. I get freerange natural fed chicken from local guy and I have a freezer full of deer and elk meat. It goes pretty far and is very lean. Tend to get sick of it near the end of winther though. They go to a butcher who specializes in game meat. They make roast, steak, ribs, stew meat, sausage, and we even have elkmeat pastrami, and ground meat. It is hard to make gravy with a deer roast, there are hardly any drippings. MMMMMmeat

Children are consumers! Children have an enormous amount of buying power through their parents. Have you ever walked into a fast food joint after school is out? I don't see the harm of offering an alternative version to the meat consumption world.

I ate meat for over 26 years, ask me 10 years ago if I would ever stop and I would say no way. Well, I've been meat free for over 2 years now.

If people are going to eat meat I would suggest going to the source, as local as possible. First it helps the community, and second one can see the conditions on how these animals are raised. One single hamburger processed at these meat packing facilities can contain parts from over 1000 cows.

one single post form a vegetarian attempting to convince others to try vegetariansm contains 1000 punds of bullshit

Originally posted by Travh20
one single post form a vegetarian attempting to convince others to try vegetariansm contains 1000 punds of bullshit

why do you say that?

Children are consumers! Children have an enormous amount of buying power through their parents.

It doesn't make sense. It's like going to the schools and saying" you all don't have jobs yet, but when you are old enough do not patronize these places". Which is like going there and saying "you all aren't having sex yet but you will one day down the road, so here take these condoms....."




Have you ever walked into a fast food joint after school is out?

If 9, 10, and 11 year olds are hanging out at fast food joints after school is out again I have to ask of the parents.

I don't see the harm of offering an alternative version to the meat consumption world.

I don't see how telling school children there is pee and poo on the chicken they buy at the store is offering a positive alternative.

I ate meat for over 26 years, ask me 10 years ago if I would ever stop and I would say no way. Well, I've been meat free for over 2 years now.

That doesn't bother me. But there are wackos who resort to fear mongering little kids into thinkng they are going to die from eating dirty meat................

I mean maybe people would take their message more seriously if they conducted themselves with a little dignity.................

When your children grow older, you will see how much they influence your decision. Watch saturday morning cartoons, how much sugar and crap do you see marketed to them? If they have no buying power, why do advertisers spend billions trying to convince children to buy their products? Children will idenitfy with a brand of car by the age of 10. Are they driving yet?

Why shouldn't children know the conditions on which food is being processed?

Sweden has it right, the do not allow any marketing to target children under the age of 12.

I would recommend a book called Can't Buy My Love: How Advertising Changes the Way We Think and Feel by Jean Kilborne. This was one of the books that changed my life. You can learn more at http://jeankilbourne.com/

I agre that children have buying power, but I really don't think that it's the right thing to target them them with greusome images at a yung age. Kids can't make a decision about their over al diet before the age of about 12, and it's unfair to scare little kids who don't understand the information being presented to them. If they truly beelive in vegetarianism, then they will decide when they are older. PETA poeple running around fater them with scary pictures when they are in elementary school will do nothing but make them afraid of the activists.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
I agre that children have buying power, but I really don't think that it's the right thing to target them them with greusome images at a yung age. Kids can't make a decision about their over al diet before the age of about 12, and it's unfair to scare little kids who don't understand the information being presented to them. If they truly beelive in vegetarianism, then they will decide when they are older. PETA poeple running around fater them with scary pictures when they are in elementary school will do nothing but make them afraid of the activists.


This is what they are handing to children.
http://www.vegkids.com/vegkids/page...chumpscards.pdf

Link goes to a page that states the file is not found. I would be interested to see what PETA is showing these kids exactly. In any case, if PETA is trying to reach children, the correct form would be to talk to their parents first. This is very common sense...

Why shouldn't children know the conditions on which food is being processed?

They are not offering them a view of the bigger picture aren't telling them the whole story.

I don't think some guy in a chicken suit and some PETA freaks handing out half truths to children is a repsectable approach.

If it's corporate America they are after then they should step up and play at a corporate level.

Who's going to take some rabid activist in a chicken suit seriously. I am all for healthy choices, but this is not a positive way to go about it.

http://www.vegkids.com/vegkids/page/chickenchumpscards.pdf

it's fixed.

Where do you get the idea that this is some rabid activist? I don't see anything in the article to insinuate such a description.

We as consumers only have one power, and that's where we spend our dollar. Empower the consumer. ANd they do go after corporate america with much success.

I found this all at the peta website. It took me less the 2 minutes to learn the actions these people are taking.

I don't care who you are, I don't want anyone approaching my kids, it's not appropriate at any other time for strange grownups to hand things to children, what makes this ok?

It is gutless to try and intercept kids on the way home from school.

The parents have the power. Sure they market all sorts of stuff to kids, doesn't mean they get it though. Again parents have the ultimate say.

You want to talk to children about healthy eating choices......fine set something up that the public can attend on their own choosing, see if anyone shows up.

Quit preying on impressionable children's emotions by using fear to try and sway them.

Chicken=prey

pepper sees nothing wrong with what peta and the fanatical vegetarians are doing when they try to force vegetarian conversions on the unwilling, but he gets all pissed off when a christian knocks on his door and offers him a pamplet :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Pepper
Sweden has it right, the do not allow any marketing to target children under the age of 12.

So companies shouldn't market to kids under 12, but PETA should?

No I don't think anyone should. But if companies are, as in this country, one shouldn't just get upset with peta. I see them as a counter balance to the corporate mandated message that assaults us on a day to day. If McDonalds is allowed into cafeterias in school, and promote a beef only menu, then why can't there be an alternative voice?

Advertising for towards children is a multi BILLION dollar industry. Chastising people who voluntarily produce and hand out materials is not where the focus should be.

Why assume that everyone even wants to eat meat? Why should a parent assume that a child is going to grow as a meat eater? I understand there are circumstances where meat in the diet is necessarily, but not to the level that most people consume it.

If you think you can control everything that goes into your child's head then you are fooling yourself.

Travh, please stop spreading lies, where did I ever say I get up set with christians handing out pamphlets. Stop assuming things you know nothing about.

I don't think you understand the reason people are upset by their methods. Telling a child they are "cruel" for eating chicken is disgusting. Telling them it will make them sick or fat is misguiding. If you support these methods of harassment that is your business. There are much better ways to get the message of nutririon and healthy choices to children than attacking their character. They are not doing this out of caring for children, they care for the chickens more than the kids.

As for kids wanting meat my kids love it and my oldest asks for it. Children have a good nose for protein.

Again I am not against parents helping their children make healthy choices and eating right. Peta needs to find a reputable way to go about sharing their message. Harrass kids and you are not going to get far.

How can you not see this?

Chastising people who voluntarily produce and hand out materials is not where the focus should be.

No I think the focus is the message contained within these materials and the people who distribute them.



If you think you can control everything that goes into your child's head then you are fooling yourself.
I see them as a counter balance to the corporate mandated message that assaults us on a day to day.
Advertising for towards children is a multi BILLION dollar industry.

Parents still have the control over what their children view. It is very simple to turn off the tv and go outside.

Waiting outside a school for kids on their way home when their parents are not there to spread political half-truths is GUTLESS. It like they know that parents won't take them seriously, so lets target the little ones........shameful.......

If peta conducted themselves with dignity people might take them seriously. Look at all the wacked out stuff they do, they have made a reputation for themselves as freaks.

I am all for treating animals ethically, there is no need to abuse them and make them suffer while they are alive. Doesn't mean I won't eat them either.

if my kids came home and told me this was going on I would be forced to go down there and have a word with the good people of PETA, and with the school administrators.

You keep saying gutless, but do you apply that same measurement to soda companies who hand out free samples, or encourage consumption with reward points? I don't know how it is in Canada, but there are a lot of big people in the U.S. Children are getting heart disease and diabeties (90% of which is preventable) at record numbers. Children and heart disease?!!?? How can this be happening?!?!

It isn't just the television. It's billboards, the internet, magazines, buses look around the msg is everywhere. Are you going to be around your children all of the time? Why not develop the critical thinking skills in children so they won't be taken by any type of misleading ad.

I think it's more gutless to target children for money, then to try and change potentially dangerous behaviors.

WTF?

Those who try to push vegetarianism on everyone have never really given their campaign any serious thought. First of all, if everyone on the planet were a vegetarian, there just wouldn’t be enough vegetables to go around. Half our population would starve! Second, meat contains protein. People who don’t get enough protein in their diet are susceptible to thin blood and overall poor health. Do you really want to make our country any unhealthier than it already is? And finally, wild animals eat meat all the time. Why is it OK for them to eat it, but not OK for me to eat it? Answer that question and I might start taking you seriously.

humans are designed to eat meat and vegetables. just look at your teeth, you have grinding teeth in the back, for grains and produce, and cutting and ripping teeth in the front, for riping flesh off of animals. it is un natural for humans to eat only vegetables. that is done only by choice. to tell humans it is wrong to eat meat is telling them that they have a design flaw, that they should ignore their very nature, what ther body was designed for

Originally posted by Mopoloton
Those who try to push vegetarianism on everyone have never really given their campaign any serious thought. First of all, if everyone on the planet were a vegetarian, there just wouldn’t be enough vegetables to go around. Half our population would starve! Second, meat contains protein. People who don’t get enough protein in their diet are susceptible to thin blood and overall poor health. Do you really want to make our country any unhealthier than it already is? And finally, wild animals eat meat all the time. Why is it OK for them to eat it, but not OK for me to eat it? Answer that question and I might start taking you seriously.

That's a load of bullocks. Cows are fed grains, they are fed soy, they are fed corn. Over 50% of Brazil's soy export goes to U.S. cattle. The food and water we feed cows could be easily transfered to human consumption without the "loss of food". There is already starvation around this planet, and it isn't from lack of food, but lack of proper distribution.

I am plenty healthy, in fact I'm probably in the best shape of my life. One can get more then enough protein from other sources. Protein in the diet is generally overrated.

Not all animals are meat eaters, infact only about 20% of mammals are meat eaters. Many, including cows, are herbivores.

Originally posted by Travh20
humans are designed to eat meat and vegetables. just look at your teeth, you have grinding teeth in the back, for grains and produce, and cutting and ripping teeth in the front, for riping flesh off of animals. it is un natural for humans to eat only vegetables. that is done only by choice. to tell humans it is wrong to eat meat is telling them that they have a design flaw, that they should ignore their very nature, what ther body was designed for

No it's not. I know people who have been vegetarians for over 23 years, and they look like they are doing pretty good.

I don't have a problem with meat eating, but the process on which these animals are slaughtered. I have a problem with the overconsumption of meat that happens in this country, but is not the norm for the rest of the world.

I think people are disconnected from the way our food is processed. If we knew more, if people saw the chemical baths cow walk through before they come to the states, if they saw a cow being skinned alive, if they saw chickens living their entire lives in cages no bigger then a piece of paper with their beaks cut off, they may have second thoughts. It's not a surprise that 80% of chicken inspectors don't eat chicken.

I don't discurage meat eating, as I said earlier, if you are going to eat meat, learn it's source. Learn the conditions on which it was killed and processed, if you can live with that picture more power to you. But if you get sick, don't say people didn't warn you.

Originally posted by Pepper

If we knew more, if people saw the chemical baths cow walk through before they come to the states, if they saw a cow being skinned alive, if they saw chickens living their entire lives in cages no bigger then a piece of paper with their beaks cut off, they may have second thoughts. It's not a surprise that 80% of chicken inspectors don't eat chicken.



damn you could have said the same thing about iraqi citizens under the Hussein regime. its to bad peta didnt take up the cause of humans and insted focused on chickens

You keep saying gutless, but do you apply that same measurement to soda companies who hand out free samples, or encourage consumption with reward points?

You are not listening. These companies that are adverstising do not use fear tactics. Buy our product or you will be cruel sick or fat etc.

Not anywhere on these peta cards did I see NUTRITION discussed, nor ANY healthy alternatives to meat.

Catch my drift? Do you get it? Or do you bow down to the almighty peta and their brilliant conversion methods?

Gimme a break.

Tell me telling children they are cruel is the right way to go about things. There is no argument. Sneaky and GUTLESS.

Children are getting heart disease and diabeties (90% of which is preventable) at record numbers. Children and heart disease?!!??

and peta is going to change this?

Again people who let their kids have the last say as to what they buy, consume, and eat is the problem. PARENTS!!!!

It's fat ass parents who don't cook healthy meals for their kids, and want an "instant gratification" lifestyle, and give in to a couple of tears and a tantrum. There lies your health crisis.....

Why not develop the critical thinking skills in children so they won't be taken by any type of misleading ad.

.........or peta freaks.............

honey a skeptic like me, my kids won't grow up any other way

Peta offers an alternative. I never stated Peta would change the world, but sometimes extremes on the other end allow people to come to a more comfortable middle. Peta does this because it is effective. It get's corporations to change their behaviors. IT gives children access to information that would normally be denied in their lifestyles.

It's good you have such control over your children, but it doesn't mean there are others who are in such a comfortable position.

Corporations are much more subtle in their selling to children. Check out Jean Kilbourns book, check out commercial alert, look around the internet and see the very dirty tactics that corporations use all in the name of free speech, and all to sell children things. They tell children to buy these products or you won't be accepted, buy these products and people will like you. Is that a better msg to sell? Fear comes in many many forms.

cool
I see this topic nudging in a couple directions.
There is the whole veggie thing, and the meat thing, either or both. We can discuss evolution and biological design and the patterns therein. We can discuss corporate targeting, media mass marketing, and raising savvy sophisticated smart consumers. And we can discuss the challenges in doing so successfully. Either way we move I am happy cause I see we really are talking about several things here.

That's a load of bullocks. Cows are fed grains, they are fed soy, they are fed corn. Over 50% of Brazil's soy export goes to U.S. cattle. The food and water we feed cows could be easily transfered to human consumption without the "loss of food". There is already starvation around this planet, and it isn't from lack of food, but lack of proper distribution.
The people living in those countries with starvation problems refuse to eat meat because of their religious beliefs. These nations are perfect examples of what happens when everyone tries to be a vegetarian. I have no sympathy for people who starve themselves when they don’t have to.
I am plenty healthy, in fact I'm probably in the best shape of my life. One can get more then enough protein from other sources. Protein in the diet is generally overrated.
The only other way to give your body protein is through pills, and protein pills often carry side effects.
Not all animals are meat eaters, infact only about 20% of mammals are meat eaters. Many, including cows, are herbivores.
Well, what ABOUT that 20 percent? If you want me to stop eating meat you’re gonna have to make them stop eating it too.

Originally posted by Mopoloton


The only other way to give your body protein is through pills, and protein pills often carry side effects.




that's not true. you can only get full proteins from meat, but by eating a combination of grains and fruits and vegetables you can get enough protein. for instance, rice and beans is a full protein.

Which nations are vegetarians?

Most nations in the world (including Brazil) are meat eaters, not necessarily beef eaters (cows are not native to the United States, or the whole Continent of the Americas. )

Most people around the world eat less meat then in the U.S., but to say they are vegetarian is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

There is starvation not because of lack of food, but because of distribution.

Protein is found in more then just meat. I don't eat pills to get protein in my diet. I eat beans, I eat tofu, I nuts. All excellent source of protein without the flesh.

There are many animals (and some people) that need meat in their diets. (All part of that ecologicial balance that has existed for thousands of years) To say all humans need meat is an exaggeration of reality.

Originally posted by Pepper
I think people are disconnected from the way our food is processed. If we knew more, if people saw the chemical baths cow walk through before they come to the states, if they saw a cow being skinned alive, if they saw chickens living their entire lives in cages no bigger then a piece of paper with their beaks cut off, they may have second thoughts.
What about if everyone knew how knee surguries looked and how gruesome they were. Just grossing people out is not presenting a logical argument, just as showing pictures of aborted babies is no arguement for pro-life. It just makes people sick.
I don't discurage meat eating, as I said earlier, if you are going to eat meat, learn it's source. Learn the conditions on which it was killed and processed, if you can live with that picture more power to you. But if you get sick, don't say people didn't warn you.
What possible rational do you have for telling people that they need to know how the process works. Do you need to know how a plant grows before you eat it? Its food, meat is food. Animals die so that we can eat them, there's nothing wrong with it.

Your mommy kills animals (http://www.furisdead.com/mommykills300.pdf)

These sick PETA freaks gave these flyers out to ELEMENTARY SCHOOL kids who's moms were wearing fur or leather. Do you know how much that will screw with the little kids' mind? I am sick of these freaks who have no respect for others. If I saw someone handing out these flyers I would not let them have a moments rest and would make sure that every child's mom that they gave these flyers to knew that this PETA stalker is trying to warp their childs' mind.

Pepper;

It is one thing to stick up for the rights of animals, it is another to be part of PETA. PETA doesn't have a clue, plain and simple, they do more harm then good. PETA still equals IDIOTS. I don't believe in torturing animals, but I also don't belive in PETA. Go into there site and read some of what these "wacko freaks" want to do, then come back and tell us how great they are. PETA is just another over rated group of lunatics looking for attention nothing more.

Originally posted by WindWip


What possible rational do you have for telling people that they need to know how the process works. Do you need to know how a plant grows before you eat it? Its food, meat is food. Animals die so that we can eat them, there's nothing wrong with it.

Have you ever heard the term you are what you eat? I want to know how and where my food is grown, vegetables included. We grow food in sewage waste, we spray an increasing amount of petro chemicals on our crops. I really don't want to eat that.

I really think kids are much more resiliant then you give them credit for. I see much worse in mainstream pop culture which makes $$Billions$$ then what a Peta volunteer may muster.

Please keep in mind I am not here trying to defend PETA, their attempts to humanize animals at the objectification of women is not something that sits well with me. But I do support expanding the debate, and challenging some of the more barbaric elements of this society. Mainly the Industrialized production and slaughter of animals.

Pepper, I dno't se anything wrong with what PETA stands for, but the idea of going after little kids is wrong. how would you feel if PETA people ran fater little kids you nkow with gruesome pictures? I nkow that if anyone did that to my sister, or any of the kids I know and care for, I'd be extremely pissed off. elementary school kids aren't old enough to understand this stuff.

Kids will soon be afraid to eat meat because of these Wacked-out PETA Members. I've heard they're tackling the KFC food business by handing out typical KFC Chicken buckets that have pictures of slaughtered chickens on them and saying "Chicken's blood" on the side. Now THAT's traumatizing!

you know i just read that really gross link and I am offended that peta asshole make such extreme generalizations. There are many ways to make a fur coat and obtain hides. These are not common practices in the fur trade, and many indiginous families maintain generations old traplines in the traditional way. We humans do not have fur of our own, and for us to have evolved and survived to the point we have, in the climates that we have, we kept warm by using hides and ingenuity. These assholes should be thankful to every hunter that existed before them for their very own existence.
This continent was built on the fur trade and misinformed peta extremists would have froze to death in the far north, cause no one in their right mind will trade you a nice warm hide for some measly lichens and grains.

I'd love to see the look on one of those peta snobs faces at any traditional native celebration. All you see if materials obtained from animals, drums, footwear, shelter, and every stitch of clothing. And they are all obtained in the respectful ways of tradition. You give thanks to that animal for giving up it's life so that you and your children may live.........simple as that.

this peta crap is completely misguided, if they think htese ways are commplace.........completely foreign to me.

another line of questioning...

how come you never see these peta activists walking up to bikers and telling them they obtained their leathers through murderous practices.
You'd never see them set up a booth at a Ride for Sight or at a Harley aniversery thing. I wonder why? You'd think there would be a larger target for them. Powwows too, you don't see those brave peta avtivists approaching a bunch of warriors telling them they are murderers for wearing hides and skins.

Funny, they are only approaching mothers and schoolchildren in this way.......

I stand by my statements..........they are cowardly and gutless in their practices.....................

they know they have little chance of recieving an ass-whoopin from a bunch of soccor moms and their kids............

chicken shits