There seems to be a lot of young people out there who have all the answers.Please tell me why the kids are acting up.They take drugs have babies befor wedding bells,they cuss,they have no respect they think the world owes them and they think they know more than God.These children are our future .What will they tell their generation?Dont they know if they are lucky they will grow up to be our leaders?What will they stand for?Someone needs to take a stand and say"enough is enough"

missvee, born in 1930.

Hmm...

I blame the videogames and the violent movies, myself.:rolleyes:

Yes I was born in 1930 that makes me 72 .My child is 52 and her children are grown.They both have good jobs that require them to be professional when they deal with a client.They dress right and they dont cuss .How did they learn this?From their parents.How did their parents learn ?From their parents.Its time we check our selves out and start setting example.Maybe we wont have so many smart mouth kids waiting to jump on you and make fun of you. Remember I did not get this old by being stupid.

The majority of kids act up in tendency to desire attention. I experimented at a young age with smoking and drinking. I encompass numerous successful friends who desire to smoke, drink, and consume drugs. It’s a individual preference and if one feels the need to consume alcohol, drugs, and smoking than they have a right to do so.

I'm still a virgin and yet to marry but one day hope to. I for one do not deem a god and yet I'm very successful in anything I do. I have morals in which I feel must be followed and feel I don’t need some guy with long hair to tell me right from wrong. Shouldn’t we know right from wrong with out having someone to tell us? I respect everyone around me even when they mistreat me.

I work for an independent record label, I'm going on tour with my band, and I'm also into journalism and one day hope to open a small business of mine, and I also have an awesome girlfriend in which I respect and will never mistreat and one day hope to marry.

I dress how I see fit, don't like it to bad. I cuss daily ahh ---- who cares. The problem is not are teens the problem is people misunderstanding and instead blame it on other things rather than getting to the core of the problem. It's people like that who will one day allow society to collapse. Perhaps we should take a step back and look at the entire picture and see how little adults lead to a productive society.

You say you are a confused younth.The way you are going you will be a confused adult.Professing to be wise you become a complete fool.The people you acuse of sending us down the wrong path were young once.We all need some kind of guide lines.I choose the bible .You are quite wise and you have decided you dont need any help.Good lets see who stays in the race to the end.When and if you have children who will they listen to?Another mad generation out on the streets.It will never end.

I knew plenty of "christians" in school who were complete jerkoffs, so you're little theory about kids who read the bible being better then those who don't holds very little water.




Also, Jesus was a little hooligan that hung out with whores.

Confused Youth is a song in which I like and has nothing to do with by ability to think. I never profess to be wise because I'm still learning. I have personal guidelines in which I follow. I live a productive life in which I try to respect and help anyone around me. In school I remember there was a group of kids who went to church nearly every Sunday and went to a youth group during the week and yet experimented with drugs and became frequently in trouble with the law. They also mistreated many others peers at school in which I tried to befriend. I will one day have children and they will follow guidelines I set fourth as should every parents. My kids will learn to treat everyone the same and I will teach them to respect your peers even when they don't do the same. In short I will teach them right from wrong just like any Christian family would.

In my free time I have worked with troubled teens and have also worked with the less economically stable part of society. I see you asking for a change but do nothing to seek it.

Have you ever heard the expression the blind leading the blind? Or better still What are we going to tell the children?You write such beautiful letters but cant you shorten them?.By the time I get to the end I have forgotten what you are talking about.Man of a few words?

[quote:ffcff3c9fc="missvee"]
Have you ever heard the expression the blind leading the blind? Or better still What are we going to tell the children?You write such beautiful letters but cant you shorten them?.By the time I get to the end I have forgotten what you are talking about.Man of a few words? [/quote:ffcff3c9fc]

Is it just me, or did she just lose any sense of coherency whatsoever?

[quote:4b4899b243]Have you ever heard the expression the blind leading the blind? Or better still What are we going to tell the children?You write such beautiful letters but cant you shorten them?.By the time I get to the end I have forgotten what you are talking about.Man of a few words? [/quote:4b4899b243]

I've sat here and read your post several times and still can't figure out what your ----ing point is!

Not to get to far into this debate, but I believe she is saying - in which you do in all debates - you write a 15 page response because you cant fit a rational response in a paragraph ;)

Yeah, CY can get wordy, but he has yet to do so in this thread. I think missvee has just gone COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE. But that's just my personal opinion.

personally, i would rather have all the kids cussing and screaming than everybody holding their mouth when it is obvious they have something important to say.
freedom of expression is more important than respect.
(note: i dont suggest that people should kill and claim it is art, just that the priorities must be set correctly)

I dont think saying a cuss word is that bad, it is disrespectful and rude to cuss at someone but some people are stupid who think its just so cool that they can cuss; In general however though a cussword in a joke or to express the severity of something isn't a big deal. I hate when people say GD though..

Indeed, I have a tendency to get wordy but we ought to recognize that I state my positions and then back my position with inclusive detail in which is divergent from the MANY who appear in able to form a position and then give comprehensive details. Like mundanus stated it's better to say something than keeping your mouth shut in which is a symbol of oppression.

NOTE: When I use the word many I’m not referring to everyone.

i think that this whole thread can be summed up with this:
[color=red:1a4bd6db89]there is nothing wrong with the children[/color:1a4bd6db89]
they have always disrepected elders, if not out loud, then in their actions and thoughts. humans are not perfect and the second you think otherwise, is the day WWIII comes 'round. then IV,V,VI,VII.....MMCLXXIII (2173, for you uneducated types) and so on.
missvee, you can change it but you apparently would rather complain about it. :cool:

I would hate it if all the kids were good little boys and girls.Kids sware and dont listen to their parents.So?It's not like kids 50 years ago were perfct littke angels.Kids will do whatever they can to well rebel and i lkke that.Goody good kids can be a bit anoying.

Iguess you have not read todays news.The teachers going with the kids .The kids going with old men.Think its great?The kids are alright Its the adults.Iam sorry I miss spoke.Go for your self you have to live with this generstion I am on my way out.

Misvee, I agree with what you are saying. Going back to my old high school was a shock! Teachers charged with molesting minors, homosexuals "coming out" right in front of everyone. Drugs being sold in the bathroom WHILE I WAS IN THERE!!! I was just a visitor for a couple of hours seeing my old teachers. A shock of the 220 volt kind!!!

[quote:40537bd4f6="Rammin&Thumpin"]
Misvee, I agree with what you are saying. Going back to my old high school was a shock! Teachers charged with molesting minors, homosexuals "coming out" right in front of everyone. Drugs being sold in the bathroom WHILE I WAS IN THERE!!! I was just a visitor for a couple of hours seeing my old teachers. A shock of the 220 volt kind!!! [/quote:40537bd4f6]

Wow. BEST. GIMMICK POSTER. EVER!

humans are not perfect. if you show me one perfect person i will not argue (jesus is too debatable cosidering im an atheist). otherwise, i say your living in a dream if you ever thought the children were "better" before this generation. its more media hype than any actual difference.

[quote:18bea58ca6]Misvee, I agree with what you are saying. Going back to my old high school was a shock! Teachers charged with molesting minors, homosexuals "coming out" right in front of everyone. Drugs being sold in the bathroom WHILE I WAS IN THERE!!! I was just a visitor for a couple of hours seeing my old teachers. A shock of the 220 volt kind!!![/quote:18bea58ca6]

I ask you how teachers relate to children. Teachers are adults and they are molesting minors perhaps the problem is with adults in that situation. Who cares if there are homosexuals who are youth. One of my best friends and I even played in a band with him for awhile was gay and he is perhaps the coolest and most respectful person I know. Drugs have always been sold in school.

Sorry Confused, Travis, whatever you go by. You know nothing about my old high school. IT WAS A SHOCK! I left knowing a group of teachers whom I respected, inspired and loving their jobs. Now they are just hanging on, waiting for retirement. Sorry to step on your politically correct toes, but it was a BIG change.

Great post again Potts! You're working your way right up to board genius!! I applaud you. :what:

[quote:3a6e367d50="Rammin&Thumpin"]

Great post again Potts! You're working your way right up to board genius!! I applaud you. :what: [/quote:3a6e367d50]

Silly Zero-Sixas.......you guys crack me up=p

i think we have gotten off topic. i know, massive dude and children have a lot in common but the thread isnt posted "whats wrong with massive dude?" that just gave me an idea!

I'll tell you what's wrong. It's all these darn bleeding heart liberals. They've made everything acceptable! Everything!

Perfect example: CY stated that people have a RIGHT to use drugs. No, sir, it is AGAINST THE LAW. You don't have that right.

I never said the drugs we're not against the law. I simply stated there are numerous people who consume drugs and participate in other activities like drinking and smoking but are still successful. They have a right to consume drugs it's there body but at the same time it is still illegal.

I know, but I don't understand how you can say it's their right to do it even though it's illegal. That thought contradicts all common sense. But whatever. It's the cops' right to put their names in the prison books too.

I choose not to consume drugs or participate in any activity like it. If they feel they need to in hale harmful fumes than allow them to do so.

First of all, if you're trying to lead or be involved in any kind of a social revolution(whether it's toppling over a government or trying to change the way people act by opening their minds up to new ideas) it's very hard to do if you're consumed with where your next fix is coming from.(whether it be cigarettes or beer, or something a lot more hard core like cocaine or heroine.)

Second, the idea of paying for addiction just strikes me as being simply stupid! Why would we want to give these huge companies money to hook us on shit that hurts us?!?! If someone came along and told us me I had to inhale toxic fumes for 1 hour everyday I'd tell them to fuck off! So why the fuck would I want to smoke cigarettes? It's like letting yourself be suckered!

Third, it just seems very counter revolutionary. If the goal is to stop huge corporations that hurt people and our environment then why would I want to support cigarette and alcohol companies that are owned by people who would kill their mother to make an extra dime?

Fourth, I have had friends and family who have really been fucked up bad by drugs or alcohol. That first hand exposure to the destruction of what those substances can do has taught me a lesson.

Finally, the most simple explanation is that I've found better things to do with my free time! I'd rather play an instruments, or write a letter, or write a song, or skate, etc... than get fucked up.

Look, if you do use drugs or drink or whatever, I don't look at you and think "you're a terrible person!" This is just an explanation of why I don't. And I probably contradict some of these explanations with other things I do in life so don't get the idea that I think I'm perfect! In the end punk rock is a community full of countless people with different ideas who all do different things. I rather set the differences aside and focus on the issues I agree on rather than argue over whether doing drugs is a good or bad thing.

Very good. Every grey cloud has a silver linning I suppose.

:mad: DaveTooner, you seem to believe that whatever is law automatically becomes ethical. governments and nations do not supply morals, they supply sysytems. people are to supply the morals and governments are forced to include morals in their systems. the law is law because somebody wanted it to be law, not because some righteous person checked to see it was ethical!

the only thing i have against drugs is that: (1) they could kill me (2) second-hand smoke is harmful to humans, plants and animals. it's air pollution and i dont like pollution!

P.S.
stay clean!
:)
you'll live longer!
:D

What I want to know is, why do so many older generations believe the youth of today is so terrible? Is it because they don't act, believe, and respect the same things you did? Is it because they excercise their constitutional rights, such as not believing in God and free speech? Is it because they question these older generations and their priorities? To me, this sounds like good Americans. I think the problem is older people trying to push their fundamentalists views on children. Everyone thinks the way they did things was better, and everyone believes that they WILL do things better than the past generations. This is the way it has always been. So what if our generation has different priorities...this doesn't make them any worse.

I'm sure these same things were said about the college protests during Vietnam, or the sit-ins by African Americans in the 50s, or the "Beatnik" generation of the 20s. Why fight for fundamentalists views, when it goes against everything America stands for? For those of you who didn't pay attention in history class, America was founded by liberals, with very liberal ideas in mind. They wantes to create a country where older generations could (and SHOULD) be questioned. A country that was build for advancement and change. Every generation has its own course, and every generation should follow it.

[quote:4fda5f9093]Everyone thinks the way they did things was better, and everyone believes that they WILL do things better than the past generations.[/quote:4fda5f9093] it is human nature to be arogant, and more so to be an idiot....


:( divided we stand, united we fall. <--thats the truth

When I grew up children out lived their parents now it seems that the kids go first.If that dont tell you something nothing will.How many grandparents are raising a second family because some know it all kid had all the answers.Each gerneration does things a little better and are wiser.This means growth.But it seems that the group that is here today is bent on distruction.We had our problems on growing up but we had the sense to listen to our elders.No one reaches the age of a senior by being stupid.It pays to listen to someone who already has gone through what you are begining to experience.There is nothing new under the sun.Its how you deal with it that counts.There is something wrong with the children. Have you ever watch a child going to school? They dont smile .They eat potato chips for breakfast and some carry guns to school.Maybe its not the children it could be their parents.

Kids have always died at an early age and will persist to that point is inappropriate. The crisis with children living with there grandparents the parents lack maturity. Kids have always broke lose from the rules and even today they do but that is the nature of children. Children are not stupid because they don't listen to there parents I had a friend who often got him self in trouble yet could figure out math equations faster than most people are capable. What child smiles when going to an institution such as school? I see tons of happy children perhaps you should get out more. Children have always ate junk food and will continue to that has nothing to do with a corrupt society.

"How can we tell children how to live their lives when we so clearly do not know how to live our own?" John Holt

"Children need models rather than critics." Joseph Joubert

The greatest thing about today's children is they have sense enough to QUESTION their elders. This is truely how society advances, don't you agree? Children are expected to be molded into sheep and follow in the footsteps of their parents, and everyone gets pissed off when they don't. They call them arogant, concieted, whatever. However, they are simply doing things a different way, and perhaps a better way, than their elders, and in my opinion this is extremely respectable. You don't get anywhere by being a sheep.

Also, to say that you experianced the same thing today's youth is dealing with is very ignorant. The world is always changing, as is the mentallity and circumstances today's youth must deal with. No one is saying it's harder or easier, but it certainly is different, and it will continue to change for the duration of humanity.

It's my opinion that adults should stop concerning themselves with the lives of today's youth so much, and take a look at their own lives. Everyone must live true to themselves, and anyone who is preoccupied telling someone else to live is going to miss their entire life. I believe that this is one thing the youth of today have realized...death is real, and it will happen, and the only way to live life is to be true to yourself, because in death nothing else matters.

If children did not need advice why did God give them parents?Why not sell kids in supper markets?Make kids from eggs brought by the boxs.You could wait for a sale and buy one get one free.Once they hatch you could give them a $1000 and put them on the street.Since you know it all why go through the parents.When they become of age you could kill off that batch and start over.This way you would not have a bunch of old people who dont know anything any way.I want to ask you this .Do you think you will ever grow up and have to one day give a child some advice.What will you say?GO FOR IT KID.Be real one day you too will be old if you are lucky and ask avice along the way.There is nothing wrong with not knowing the answer to it all.When you stop learning you are on your way out.I am 72 years old and just got my computer three years ago I am learning new stuff everday and my teacher is a teenager.We all can learn .Yes most of the young people are wacked out because their parents are not much older than they are. Their parents did not listen SO THEY DONT LISTEN.Apple dont fall far from the tree.

First, don't bring your opressive Christanity crap in this discussion religion has nothing to do with how children act! I know several kids in high school who claimed to be Christians yet they constantly picked on others who did not confrom to there standards. Parents are there to educate you on life and keep you from being harmed. It's not the childs fault if the parents are not living up to there bargan. Children don't know it all nor do they think that children have been lashing out against there parents for thousands of years!

"How can we tell children how to live their lives when we so clearly do not know how to live our own?" John Holt

"Children need models rather than critics." Joseph Joubert

CY, I can not believe you, why dont you just chill or leave this site, because you are reallying attacking someone that has done nothing to you.

Chill! Now!

You just attacked me. I gave my opinion I never attacked any one person. I told them that religion does not play a role in how children act. I don't follow Christanity yet I manage to live a very successful life. Indeed the bible is a great personal guide but children will continue to act like children. As children mature they become more adult thats how mankind works.

I agree Computer Guy, Confused Youth is being too harsh. He just attacked me earlier on another thread for doing nothing. Now he attacks a 72 year old grandmother for being a Christian. I hope the Administrator deals with these issues soon. If not, oh well.:rolleyes:

I never attacked anyone. I simply stated because one does not follow Christianity does not make them a bad person so the point of religion is not relevant. I never attacked you I asked you why you eat cow ass. That a question not an attack! And I stated all you ever do is come in to veganism and do nothing but tell us how you like your steak cooked so I asked you why we should consume it!

CY,
She was clearly saing that God gives people two parents, now there is no real Christianity in that, except from her previous posts we know that she is a christian, but man let her think that, you really bit her head off without letting her say her own peace!

I never intended to be read harshly. Emotions are hard to detect on the internet. I was refering to her previous post. She also states its the childs fault well maybe these two wonderful parents should begin to educate there children on morals. One does not know anything until taught.

Let me ask you CY and Mr.Potts......Unless you were hatched or are from another planet you must have had parents. And if it weren't for them and others like them you would have no future or no world to live in. I bet they brought you up with morals and values hoping you would pass them on to your children, but somewhere along the way (maybe in your smoking, drugs and drinking world) you lost those values. Now you seem to have nothing better to do in your life than to sit here posting hundreds of messages on this board unsulting other people. I'll even bet you fly the Union Jack flag!! If no one taught you right from wrong how would you know which was which?? Would you expect your child to know not to put his hand on a hot burner if you didn't tell him? Or would you sit there expecting him to figure it out for himself? Don't be so self rightous and arrogant talking about children when you have none of your own!!!!!!! Experience is the best teacher.....so get back to us when you have some!!!!! Till then....leave the child rearing to the "non-productive" adults!!

I saw Larry King On tv.There was a wellknown Book writer on children.He said some of the same things I have been saying all along.He was about 55 years old.So I really dont think what I have been talking about was too far out.He said this genarationis lost.You guys think I am off my rocket but I have that doctor on my side.So my day turned out ok after all.

First, I'd like to state it was not a personal attack I was an attack towards a comment in which Misvee had stated. I never will attack an living object because they oppose of my thoughts. I'm sorry it seemed like an attack but it was simply an exchange in words on how I felt about one of the comments she made. I will admit my mistakes and if I thought for one second I attacked Misvee I'd be the first to admit it and aplogize.

Second, I do think we need parents as a personal guide to teach us right from wrong. I'm defending children who are never taught values or morals from there parents. It's wrong to say all children don't have morals. Children will become mature as they age and to say they are lost is irrealivent there not at a mature state yet. Children have always broke rules yet learned from breaking them and turned into successful adults. I think parents and religion can be a great personal guide and should be used. I find that I would be completly stupid if I never had some one to help guide me through life.

Thrid, I never have consumed drugs nor will I ever. I've consumed alcohol once and smoked once and did not like it and have never done it since than nor do I plan on it.

Fourth, your not showing the morals in which you preach about you have personally attacked me several times. You hardly know myself and my morals so you can't reall judge me from a forum.

Next, I'd like to say I don't sit and discuss things on All Forums all day. I work most days and then after work I engage in different activities.

If you don't think I have morals than your wrong. I believe we should have equality for all. We should all become more truthful. We should not kill instead work are differences out and reason and not use physical force or physical language. We should respect others even when they show no regaurd in respecting you.

Holly baere
For a minuet I thought I was out there alone.Thanks for speaking out.In the bible there were people who were against the right thing But there were a few who stood up for good and 2000 years later we have the same problem.All the children wont be lost there are a few who want to do right and these few we must help and the rest all we can do is pray for them.The world will go on and we will get stronger.We will have setbacks but anything worth while is worth fighting for.One last thought.Do you know why kids act up? They want to be notice and they want you to tell them they are wrong .They want our love and the only way they think is by being rude and crude.

[quote:00f9a8dd8c="Hollybaere"]
I bet they brought you up with morals and values hoping you would pass them on to your children, but somewhere along the way (maybe in your smoking, drugs and drinking world) you lost those values. [/quote:00f9a8dd8c]

I'd REALLY like you to support this sentence, H dawg. I DARE you to support it. I'd like to know how you know how much I drink and what kind of drugs I do. I'd also like you to point to a single post on these forums which suggested that I didn't have morals.

My parents tought me morals, and I still live by them. They didn't need any fairytale mumbo-jumbo to do it, either. Not only that, but I've been able to come to my OWN conclusions in life, form my own moral opinions. No one forced crap down my throat, yet I still turned out a pretty good person.

Also, I never "unsult" other people. I sometimes insult people, yes, but I would NEVER, [b:00f9a8dd8c]EVER[/b:00f9a8dd8c] go so far as to UNSULT people. That's just WRONG.


Also also, was it your parents who passed along your wacky conspiracy theories to you? At least mine didn't give me any of THOSE:rolleyes:

I wonder who taught you the difference between and insult and that "unsult"?? A Lady of well more years and experience than you has expressed an opinion on this board and all you,CY and Mundanus have done is deride and demean her. I won't even metion about me (H dawg??) I have children and so does she, and YOU do not!!!!! How would you like it if your child talked to you the way you have been talking to us?? As I said before.....get back to us when you have children of your own. It will be a whole lot different when they are yours!!


Oh and about my "Conspiracy Theories" All I can say is Watch your back Jack!! YOU may be next!! And someday you're gonna say...."Damn....she was right!!":toungue2:

I wonder who taught you the difference between and insult and that "unsult"?? A Lady of well more years and experience than you has expressed an opinion on this board and all you,CY and Mundanus have done is deride and demean her. I won't even metion about me (H dawg??) I have children and so does she, and YOU do not!!!!! How would you like it if your child talked to you the way you have been talking to us?? As I said before.....get back to us when you have children of your own. It will be a whole lot different when they are yours!!


I've disagreed whith Misvee and nothing else I've never demaned her once. It does not matter if I don't have a child or not I have a younger brother whom I watch a lot and attempt to teach him right from wrong. I've never talked to you badly I've disagreed big difference. I've never belittled anyone if I disagree and you don't like it im sorry.

I can't believe this. I have to defend Confused Youth here. He was simply stating his opinion, just like the 72 year old grandmother. If she doesn't want her opinion challenged, then she shouldn't post it, regardless of age. Now, we can all agree on the fact that "God gave you two parents" is based on religion, which is based on faith. Therefor, Confused Youth was certainly justified in challanging it.

Now, for the issue at hand. Do you really believe that, in every situation, elders know best? It sounds to me that it's not the youth of today who are errogant but their "elders". Why do we teach our youth to respect their elders and always obey them...when we should be teaching them to demand equel respect. Simply because they are younger does not make them an less of a person. Everyone on here is making amazingly false generalizations, and not only are you attacking confused youth, but every child out there. This is simply unnacceptable to me, and I AM an adult, so obviously I know best.

[quote:1e78644fa4="Hollybaere"]
I wonder who taught you the difference between and insult and that "unsult"?? A Lady of well more years and experience than you has expressed an opinion on this board and all you,CY and Mundanus have done is deride and demean her. I won't even metion about me (H dawg??) I have children and so does she, and YOU do not!!!!! How would you like it if your child talked to you the way you have been talking to us?? As I said before.....get back to us when you have children of your own. It will be a whole lot different when they are yours!!
[/quote:1e78644fa4]


So basically, your argument boils down to the fact that you're untouchable because you're older then us and have children? Welcome to reality, chief. I DO tend to show extra respect to people who are older then me, but that respect can often disappear quickly. Wisdom doesn't always come with age. And for the love of god, ANYONE can have children. Sorry, but you aren't some magical, super intelligent elf just because you figured out how to have sex.

And like others pointed out, if you put you voice your opinion in public you can't expect to NOT have people argue with you. Sure, I might seem insulting because I think certain people have certain views that make them seem COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE. But hey, I have views that other people think aren't so spiffy.

Also, please stop watching the X-files so much:cool: <<<<<(OMFG ZIONIST MAN IN BLACK HE'S COMING TO GET US ALL!!!!)

Somewhere you lost the idea of what this post was about. I know where missvee is coming from. I have seen plenty of kids going from being caring and responsible to being selfish and demanding. They expect things rather than earn or deserve things. They have gotten to the point where when they turn a certain age the expect to get a car instead of working and earning one. They expect that they should go out and do whatever and come home when they feel like it. Instead of the parents telling them what to do, they tell the parents what to do. Or if they don't get what they want they beat them up or run away. Nothing is apprieciated.... everything is expected!! I am not saying that every older person is a good one either. But, I will stick to the fact that even though, right now you think you know it all, it will be very different when you have kids of your own. Siblings are important, but NOT the same thing......you'll see!!!


By the way....I don't watch the X Files.....But I have read "The 24 Protocols of Zion"......have you???

I've seen plenty of adults who are not responsible and are very selfish and demanding. It's human nature to be demanding a selfish. Indeed, they are going to expect all those things put it's the parents job to teach them that they can't achive everything through there parents. I'm sure you also expected some of those things. I don't know it all and I've stated that 100 other times. I'm simply saying it's not always how you preseve it. Children have always been demanding and will continue to be. But, you must teach them right from wrong and if your not doing that it's your fault not the childs thats my point. Also there are many children who have respect and try to achive success and because they cuss or get in trouble once does not mean there going to end up in the state pent. Children are immature but they grow up and learn from there mistakes. If my child says "fuck" or in your opinion does not follow Christanity and that is the worse thing they do well than that is okay with me. But I don't preseve it to be bad not to follow Christanity so It's not a problem with my self like it is for you.

this is a message for everybody on this thread;)

1) if you post a post, expect somebody to disagree
2) if you are insulted, it is probably your fault
3) if it is not your fault, take comfort in the truth, then shut up
4) if you push your opinions on somebody, remember, they can push back
5) all arguements can be supported
6) all arguements can be knocked over
7) an opinion on someones intelegence is not a respected opinion
8) everybody is a hypocrite

thanks for letting me clear some things up! :D :D

[quote:f3566e00f3="mundanus"]
this is a message for everybody on this thread;)

1) if you post a post, expect somebody to disagree
2) if you are insulted, it is probably your fault
3) if it is not your fault, take comfort in the truth, then shut up
4) if you push your opinions on somebody, remember, they can push back
5) all arguements can be supported
6) all arguements can be knocked over
7) an opinion on someones intelegence is not a respected opinion
8) everybody is a hypocrite

thanks for letting me clear some things up! :D :D [/quote:f3566e00f3]


Thank you so much for proving my point!! Spoken like the true "Smart Ass" Young person that you are!!!:D

You just dedicated several post stating that I attacked Misvee yet you now agree with mundanus? I don't understand.

hollybaere, what IS your point??

seriously, i would like to know

it cant be to warn us about the boogy man is it?

>>>Thank you so much for proving my point!! Spoken like the true "Smart Ass" Young person that you are!!!<<<

Does anyone else find this post ironic? I can easily respond with "Thank you so much for proving my point!! Spoken like the true "Smart Ass" OLD person that you are!!!<<<

My point is...........(and I'll use small words so you will understand) All you guys come on here thinking you know everything about everything......and when someone that knows more or has more experience on the subject.... all you do is make fun of them or change the subject to fit your comments. Missvee and I said from the beginning that the young people seem to think they know so much when they really don't. And you come along with your snied little comments and fell right into the trap!! =p

I believe kids act the way they were brought up and taught. If his/her parents scream yell all the time, especially at the kid, the child will become more likely to cuss and be disrespectful to others. If a childs parents ignore then they will probably go hangout on the street and may pick up habbits like drugs...

[quote:7bce7d648d="Hollybaere"]
and when someone that knows more or has more experience on the subject.... all you do is make fun of them or change the subject to fit your comments. [/quote:7bce7d648d]

PAGING CAPTAIN IRONY. CAPTAIN IRONY TO THE FRONT DESK PLEASE, YOU'RE NEEDED IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

Have you ever heard of the saying..."If you haven't got anything nice to say.....Don't say anything!!"??

hollybaere, if we all said nice things, we would be living a lie.
"oh, your dog bite looks good today!!:D hurray!!:D "
see the problem? bad things happen and they must be acknowledged. [quote:ef1f1225ae]My point is...........(and I'll use small words so you will understand) All you guys come on here thinking you know everything about everything......and when someone that knows more or has more experience on the subject.... all you do is make fun of them or change the subject to fit your comments. Missvee and I said from the beginning that the young people seem to think they know so much when they really don't. And you come along with your snied little comments and fell right into the trap!! [/quote:ef1f1225ae] this can be said about anyone. with all due respect, your not a genius and neither is missvee. dont act like one. if your going to argue about intelegence, make your point by proving your intelegent. you have failed to do so because your busy chasing the boogy man. stop the chase and make a point worth reading, please.

:D

This is the song where I got my nickname and I picked it because it's a good song and I can relate to the lyrics more than you think.

Confused Youth

She's always askin' him what he wants to do
How many times does he have to say, he's fucking confused?
He'd run away but they're nowhere else to run
Why do they try to conform us? We just wanna have fun

We gotta fight, fight, fight
Fight for our youth
Confused youth

"Why don't you go to school? You need to
grow up."
They're so inatuated like growing up is something
you shoot up
Some girls my age they want to have a baby
Some of them wanna get married... they're fucking crazy

We gotta fight, fight, fight
Fight for our youth
Confused youth

Adults like to bring us up to be and act like them
If we don't act alike discard and try again
There is no room deep in their eyes for an individual
"Conform" and "Stand in line" make sure you fit the mold
It's alright to grow old, to mature and become wise
too bad all they seem to want is to die in ignorance

"Straighten your back, straighten your face and lose your grin"
"It's time to be serious, think hard but always give in"
"You are the inferior, open your eyes and close your mouth"
"Grow up to be just like me watch and follow with no doubt"

Train children like a dog
"Try not to get in the way"
"When I talk you should obey"
"Try not to get in the way"

It's not a war
What are you fighting for?
Life's not a war
There's no need to conform

We need help but not everyday
There's no need to, no need to use force
We need help but not in every single way
We don't need utter control

"Why don't you go to school? You need to grow up"
Like growing up is something that you just shoot up
All of us we'd run away, but where would we go?
Just loosen your grip on our leash you don't have to let go

We gotta fight, fight, fight
Fight for our youth
Confused youth

[quote:0b16b6da14="Hollybaere"]
Have you ever heard of the saying..."If you haven't got anything nice to say.....Don't say anything!!"?? [/quote:0b16b6da14]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[quote:0b16b6da14="Hollybaere"]
... but somewhere along the way (maybe in your smoking, drugs and drinking world) you lost those values. Now you seem to have nothing better to do in your life than to sit here posting hundreds of messages on this board unsulting other people. I'll even bet you fly the Union Jack flag!! [/quote:0b16b6da14]

PAGING DOCTOR IRONY TO THE FRONT DESK OF THE HYPOCRITARIUM, DOCTOR IRONY THERE IS AN EMERGANCY IN THE HYPOCRITARIUM!!!!

>>My point is...........(and I'll use small words so you will understand) All you guys come on here thinking you know everything about everything......and when someone that knows more or has more experience on the subject.... all you do is make fun of them or change the subject to fit your comments. Missvee and I said from the beginning that the young people seem to think they know so much when they really don't. And you come along with your snied little comments and fell right into the trap!!<<

I quoted your whole comment because I must respond to nearly all of it. First, "and I'll use small words..." wasn't exactly a mature comment was it. And I was amazed to discover that your next post conained "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything!" Have you ever heard the saying "Act your age". Now, for your next comment (another irony), you stated that "us guys" always think we know everything...take a look in the mirror. You feel YOU know everything. Perhaps we do know more than you on the subject. Age does not always (and in my opinion especially in this case) reflect intelligence. Also, I never made fun of anyone or changed anyone else's comments. And again, how do you know us young people don't "know so much". It's an assumption. I could easily say that you don't know as much as me because you're a women, and it would be no worse. You are descriminating and generalizing based on age, and my comment (one I certainly don't believe) was on sex. Neither is justified. I feel that we've displayed our ability not to generalize, which is a huge problem in today's society. You're comments reflected your belief that you know the right way to raise a child, when there is no right way. You also believe that you know what every child is like, when you don't. You don't even know what most children are really like, and don't assume you do. You need to take a look at your attitude before you accuse others of assuming they know everything.

missvee, hollybaere.
it is a known fact that the longer someone lives, the more CHANCES they get to learn and grow intelectually. this does NOT mean, the older someone is, the smarter or wiser they are. if one is truely wise, they take advantage of every chance they get to learn. this means, an older person can still be stupid if they failed to take advantage, and a younger person can be incredibly intelegent because they were wise enough to spend their time wisely.

" [b:32b26199b3] if your going to argue about intelegence, make your point by proving your intelegent. you have failed to do so because your busy chasing the boogy man. stop the chase and make a point worth reading, please. [/b:32b26199b3] "

This article was researched and written by a friend who has been there and knows the facts.....

O.K. Guys....Tell me who is chasing The Boogie Man????
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Where do all these Sui(“Homo”)cide bombers come from?



How is this possible? Where do these Sui(“Homo”)cide- bombers come from, whom with their “insane” actions are killing innocent Israeli- women, children and other civilians?



How do they get from the occupied West Bank and from Gaza across the border in to Israel? How do these murderers accomplish it, to pass by undetected, on all those heavily guarded Checkpoints?



Aren’t all of those Checkpoints staffed with more than half of a dozen, armed to their teeth IDF-Soldiers, equipped with highly sophisticated communication systems, Soldiers who are just anxious to catch one of these “devilish Terrorists”? Is it not merely a plain impossibility to traverse any IDF Patrol unscanned? Is it not the case, that even if a group of these Terrorist would break through one of the Checkpoints, they would be either awaited by an IDF Firing Squad at the next IDF Control point, or would quickly be hunted down by the next, most modern and highly sophisticated Helicopter unit available? Is it not so, that the, by Israel itself arbitrarily created border line is so impenetrable, that any person that even remotely looks like a “Terrorist” would not get closer than a Tank-shot distance?



Well, under no circumstances would our team have ever made it illegally across the Israeli border (in both directions) without being detected. We all were completely “body checked” and our vehicle was looked over and inside out with mirrors, and we had to withstand “the lab-test” (for explosives)! And this, in “relatively peaceful times”.



This is why I ask myself over and over again, how do these “Terrorists” do it, how do they get undetected around all these Checkpoints and Border Patrols, all the way in to the cores of the Israeli Cities and manage yet to enter Malls, Hotels, Restaurants and freely board Busses, unseen by all the Police and security on their way, without getting caught? And this in many cases, where security is to be on its highest alerts. For instance when Colin Powel was there, or Zinni was in progress to talk peace. In case of Powel visit, the “Terrorist” pulled off his dirty job, no further than half a mile away from where Powel climbed in to a Helicopter.



Hmmm…. Strange! He did not get Powel, the Terrorist didn’t, but sure brought the reality closer to him, showed him that the threat is “real” and that Arafat must be dealt with, quickly! Boy how convenient for Sharon, that it always happens, right when he needs it! Or when he sits with Bush, giving a press conference, when all eyes are on the “Israeli Peace”- Process. This creates consent!



Those poor Israeli civilians, but hey, if nothing else, at least it shows the world how evil these “Palestinian Terrorists” are and that this must be dealt with swiftly and without mercy.



But why is it, that every attempt seemingly must fail, to get both parties to the peace table? Why is it that all these Peace efforts are being blocked or torpedoed, supposedly by “Palestinian Terrorists”? Who do you suppose has more to gain from such actions?



Or could it be, that peace is not welcome in this region?



Well, let’s see! What could the Palestinians gain from such a Peace agreement with Israel?



Let’s pretend that after so many years, none of the Palestinians would want to move back into their old home in what now is Israel (before 1967), because most likely everything will have changed there anyway. But Israel would move back behind its states boundaries, from before the 6 Day War in 1967 and return all the Land to the Palestinian people. Surrender all positions held today by the IDF, remove all Checkpoints and abandon all the Settlements in the occupied Territories, West Bank and Gaza, which were taken from the Arabs 35 years ago.



Furthermore, the Palestinians would be granted by the world’s nations, that they could proclaim their own, sovereign Palestinian State, with all rights and obligations that go with it, with Eastern Jerusalem as their Capitol. And that the Palestinian people from this point forward in history, could fully function as a recognized people and as its own free society within the world community.



A Tunnel, 4 miles long, would connect the West Bank with the Gaza Strip and through it, would turn Palestine in to a State without internal borders, no more enclaves, but rather a “one piece” State, as a State was meant to be.



Then, there would be plenty of water again for all Palestinians, the “gold” so badly needed, to water their soils to grow their products, water their Cattle and provide for their Infrastructure. (Because now, literally every quell, every river and water faucet are controlled and regulated by the Israeli Government).



And finally, and this would most likely be the greatest gain for the Palestinian people, there would be freedom for millions of Palestinian people. No more humiliating Checkpoints to pass, just to go over to a daughter’s, or a Father’s house, or even to only take the neighbors little Girl to Kindergarten. No more Tanks and Bulldozers, moving in to Palestinian cities, leaving behind death and destruction in their path. No more endangered, missing and killed Children, because they throw rocks and sticks after Israeli Tanks. And no more time consuming stop and go traffic, to pass several Israeli checkpoints, across the border in to Israel, just to go to work, because there would be enough work soon within Palestine itself. And there would be so many more advantages to a true Palestinian peace agreement with Israel.



In any case, peace would be very attractive for a Palestinian people.





But what would “peace” mean for Israel?



With a peace agreement, as described above, Israel would burst out in a full-scale civil war. Because the Settlers in the occupied territories would never give up their “Holy Land” which was “given to them by Jahwe”, without fighting to their “religious” death. No political party in Israel would live through such a Peace Agreement. But this is exactly the crux of the matter, the demilitarization of the occupied land and the removal of the Settlements. Israel back behind the pre 1967 borders would burst out of its seems, caused by an overpopulation within its original boundaries. This in itself would create severe social unrest amongst the Israeli citizens.







The new sovereign Palestinian State would have its own custom authorities, would develop its own Sea Harbor in Gaza and therefore would no longer be subject to Israeli taxation. Hence, Israel would lose an enormous source of income.



Eastern Jerusalem as Palestinian Capitol, would mean that Israel would lose its holy symbol of Israel and would create tremendous turmoil amongst the Israeli people.



And finally, two factors, the worst of all, which such a peace could mount to;

For one, the Water Question and secondly the expansion of Israel’s sovereignty itself.



A fair peace agreement would immediately reduce Israel’s water resources to 48% of the current water supply, because of the geographical situation of the resources. Israel would have to either cover its water needs by buying it from Syria and Palestine, or rely on sweet water Plants, processing sea water into drinking water. In both instances, Israel would face a tremendous financial problem.



Last, but most important, a peace agreement with Palestine would be the end of a very aggressive Zionist expansion politics, which foresees a “Gross Israel” from the Gulf of Aqaba in the south, to the Euphrates river in Iraq in the north, and from the Mediterranean beaches to the Jordan river and its northern extension of the valley, again all the way to the Euphrates river. And this very factor would most likely be the greatest thorn in Israel’s “peace flesh”.



So now, who do you suppose would gain more, if it never came to peace? You don’t have to answer right away, you can think about it and tell me next week!



But if you belong to those people that now say; “No matter what the Israeli’s will give, respectfully give back to the Palestinians, they will always want more and finally drive the Israeli’s in to the sea”, then I must say, you have not understood a thing I said here, but not a thing. Then you are either highly ignorant, or you are a Zionist and you don’t want peace, and then you don’t even deserve to be considered!



Rzuercher/ June 2002

[quote:ef7fabccfe="Hollybaere"]

But if you belong to those people that now say; “No matter what the Israeli’s will give, respectfully give back to the Palestinians, they will always want more and finally drive the Israeli’s in to the sea”, then I must say, you have not understood a thing I said here, but not a thing. [i:ef7fabccfe]Then you are either highly ignorant, or you are a Zionist and you don’t want peace, and then you don’t even deserve to be considered![/i:ef7fabccfe]

Rzuercher/ June 2002 [/quote:ef7fabccfe]

Wow, whoever wrote that "article" has logic that I don't think ANYONE can argue with. I'm convinced!

[quote:8ee6c7f54e="CaractacusPotts"]


Wow, whoever wrote that "article" has logic that I don't think ANYONE can argue with. I'm convinced! [/quote:8ee6c7f54e]

Thank you........:) I have many more.....if you are interested.

im suprised you chose to provide a detailed arguement. i thought they would continue to be vague.

some things:
1) i always thought that both sides of the conflict wanted all the land, especially all of jerusalem.

2) can you honestly believe that there is no way for a bomb to explode inside of israel? ever think about rogue israelis that want to help palistine? a palistinian without any weapon can get into israel. maybe the bomb is procured inside israel. made or found or stolen. once in israel, the police wont check palistinians constantly. unless the bomber is letting people see the bomb, the police have no reason to be suspicious.

3) why do the attacks always happen when americans visit? this question is flawed. the attacks are more or less spaced out and there is always an american trying to make peace talks happen.

---> i dont give a dime who has the land, personally. i dont root for israel or palistine because neither should get the land. before it was called israel, it was called "a terratory of british occupation". therefore, britain had the decision to give palistine to the israelis and palistine has been complaining for 50 years.
i say, if there isnt peace soon, a third party should declare war on both nations. when the third party has control, there will be peace.

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[b:dfaf519dbb] dont give a dime who has the land, personally. i dont root for israel or palistine because neither should get the land. before it was called israel, it was called "a terratory of british occupation". therefore, britain had the decision to give palistine to the israelis and palistine has been complaining for 50 years. [/b:dfaf519dbb]


Keep sleeping.........:rolleyes:

sounds to me like you dont get enough sleep. sleep keeps the mind working correctly. dont get enough, and you could hallucinate while you are awake! :what:

Typical.....just like the Isreali's....when they see the truth the only way they know how to respond is to make fun and deride!! Wait till you see the nightmare you WILL wake up to!:what:

[quote:af8f6bcb4c="Hollybaere"]
Typical.....just like the Isreali's....when they see the truth the only way they know how to respond is to make fun and deride!! Wait till you see the nightmare you WILL wake up to!:what: [/quote:af8f6bcb4c]ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....
good one hollybaere.

you do know though, studies show that sleep deprivation causes hallucination. if you cant dream at night you dream during the day:what:

anyways, you seem so bent on warning us about this "nightmare" but your vague about what it is or what to do about it.

if you really want to help, say something worth reading. you've done it before, lets see if you can do it again! :D

I hope you can handle this piece of history.......And you had better get comfortable.....Because this is history pure, before
it was distorted by the Jewish Media.

Read and learn!! Wake up, before IT wakes you up!!

And then, with the aquired basis of true history, pass it on
to others in the dark.

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Part One

Palestine has always constituted a single geographical, political and demographic unit with Greater Syria and Egypt. On its soil the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt intermingled. Palestine also witnessed, as a land bridge linking Asia, Africa, and Europe, several movements and waves of conquerors who dominated it for different periods of time and left behind varying degrees of influence. The indigenous population, however, always managed to defeat the conquerors and regain its freedom.

The Arab character was the main, if not the only one to persist. It survived within the context of a particular cultural, linguistic and historical civilization as well as in social customs. The inhabitants of this geographical area known as "Palestine," through their continuous existence on this land, have kept certain cultural characteristics which, together with their very existence on that land, have never been threatened throughout history as they are threatened now by Zionism.

Palestine witnessed several colonial invasions. These took various forms to hide imperialist intentions based on economic and strategic interests, chief among which was religion exemplified by the Crusades. Thus came the international colonialist movement in the late nineteenth century which, in order to solve the "Oriental Problem," aimed at cutting up and dividing the Ottoman Empire among the world's imperialist powers. The British, French and German secret services worked eagerly to advance their own imperialist interests by encouraging Jews living in their own communities to return to the so-called "promised land," Palestine. Due to its geographical importance, controlling Palestine gave control over the heart of the Arab World and was the cross-roads of both the Old and New Worlds.

This explains the motives behind Napoleon Bonaparte's invasion of Egypt and Syria at the beginning of the nineteenth century, and the struggle between Britain, France and Germany to get the lion's share of the sick man of Europe, the Ottoman Empire. The fact that the onset of serious Jewish settlement in Palestine in 1882 coincided with the occupation of Egypt by Britain and of Tunisia by France in the same year, points out the cooperation and link between the Zionist colonial settlement and the international colonialist movement. Furthermore, the establishment of a Jewish homeland would sever the link, and break the unity of the body of the Arab World in Africa with Arabs in Asia, due to this homeland's position at the heart of the Afro-Asian land. This also enables the Zionist base to direct the struggle against Arab liberation movements and achieve control over international communication routes and the resources of the region.

The area of Palestine is a mere 26,326 square kilometers, of which 48% is desert and 30.9% a very steep mountainous area. Consequently, this cannot economically be the motive for Jewish settlement, but rather could form a good basis for starting out and then expanding all around like a military outpost on which imperialism could forever depend; it would assume the role of policeman in the area, hitting Arab national movements hard, eradicating them, and subjugating the Arab countries to the military, economic and political control of Israel and imperialism.

This imperialist role is given more credence by the fact that the leaders of the Zionist movement first thought of settling in areas such as Argentina, Cyprus , the Sinai Peninsula, Uganda, the Arabian Gulf and Libya, before finally deciding on Palestine, which belies the pretence that Zionism is a national liberation movement for Jews. It is inconceivable for a true national and popular liberation movement not to have a previously established link with a well known and defined homeland.

Israel, as Herzel hailed it in his book "Old Land-New Land," extends to the Euphrates and includes Beirut and the Lebanese mountains. In a document published in 1917 by the Youth Movement of the American Zionist Organization, to which a map was attached and which was designed to introduce Israel, is stated: "There in our own land, we the Hebrews of long standing and you the Hebrews to come, will untidily lay our hands on every spot that once belonged to us: from Sidon to Sukkoth, from Tadmor to Ur-Kasdim, from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea, from the mighty Euphrates to the far-stretching desert..."(1)

Ben Gurion further confirmed in the 17th Zionist Congress the plans for the expansion of Zionist imperialism, for he said,

"in Eastern Palestine, there are broader and emptier acres, and Jordan is not necessarily the perpetual limit to our immigration and settlement... without amending the Mandate we are entitled to ask the right to enter and settle Transjordan; its closure in our faces neither accords with the Mandate as it stands, nor considers the crying economic need of a fertile but under-populated and impecunious region." (2)

Emanating from these same imperialist and expansionst ideas, Ben Gurion demanded in a 1954 meeting that included Moshe Sharett and Moshe Dayan, that everything be done to establish a Maronite State in Lebanon, at the initiative and with the military, political and financial assistance of Israel. Moshe Sharett writes in his diary about a meeting, late in the same year, of the senior employees of the Israeli Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defense, where Ben Gurion reiterated his demand that his plans for Lebanon be implemented, and where Moshe Dayan very enthusiastically declared: "The only thing that's necessary is to find a Lebanese officer, even just a major. We should either win his heart or buy him with money to make him agree to declare himself the savior of the Marionette population. Then the Israeli army will enter Lebanon, will occupy the necessary territory and will create a Christian regime which will ally itself with Israel ... and everything will be all right."(3)

For this purpose Zionist plans foresaw the necessity of igniting a civil war in Lebanon and creating a situation of tension. In a letter from Ben Gurion to Moshe Sharett, dated February 27, 1954, he wrote on the one hand: "in normal times this (the creation of a Maronite state) would be almost impossible ... But at times of confusion, or revolution or civil war, things take on another aspect and even the weak declares himself to be a hero."(4)

On the other hand, the main principles of the Herut Party, which Menachim Begin heads, go beyond Ben Gurion's point of view, which foresees the annexation of "East Palestine" (the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan) and calls for its liberation by military force. (5) This was confirmed further by the Herut Party Conference. The declarations of Ariel Sharon, the former Minister of Defense in the Likud government (1982) which call for the establishment of a Palestinian state at the expense of the people, the land and the independence of Jordan (pretending all the time that he is relinquishing a part of the land of Israel as the only solution to the Palestine question) are nothing more than an integral part of Zionist expansionist plans. It is to be expected, therefore, in accordance with these plans, that the 1980's might witness movements in this direction.

It seems that Ben Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, had elaborated a policy for the expansion of the Zionist colonial settlements in the early 1950s, in order to develop the Zionist military outpost, Israel, into a regional power capable of carrying out operations in the service of imperialism. In 1953 he put forward a draft plan for the occupation of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula, just before Gamal Abdel Nasser took over in Egypt. The invasion was to take place in 1953. On October 26, 1953, Matti Peled, a member of the Israeli secret service, summarized the attitude of the Zionist movement towards the West Bank in front of the Zionist movement in the United States, saying: "One, that the Army considers the present border with Jordan as absolutely unacceptable. Two, that the Army is planning war in order to occupy the rest of Western Eretz Israel. At that time, the Zionist leadership snubbed all Arab efforts to reach a peaceful settlement through direct negotiations. Nahum Goldmann, who headed the World Jewish Congress for more than 30 years, recalls that Ben Gurion refused to negotiate with the Arabs to prevent the 1948 war, and accused his foreign minister Moshe Sharett, who tried to persuade him to reach a peaceful settlement through negotiations, of being against the establishment and declaration of the state of Israel. Moshe Dayan also turned down all attempts by the Egyptian and Jordanian administrations in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, respectively, aiming at the elaboration of security arrangements to prevent infiltration, claiming that such an arrangement would "...hamper the movement of Israel," in launching reprisal operations.(6) These operations aimed at the humiliation of Arab governments, the exile of the Palestinians and the imposition of Israel's hegemony and might over the whole area, thus proving to the imperialist powers the effectiveness of this military outpost in keeping the Arabs in place.

Imperialist Collaboration with Zionism 1917-1948

The conspiracy, woven consecutively by the three imperialist powers, Great Britain, France and the USA, and which they hid under the mantle of the tripartite declaration of 1951, and their financial, military and economic support, claiming their moral commitment to the Jews and Israel only proves the reality of the link between Israel and these imperialist powers through common aims and interests. This link, forever renewable through illegitimate interests, goes back to 1840, when oil was being discovered, the consuls and ambassadors of Western countries in Jerusalem and Constantinople singled out the Jews among other Ottoman citizens and placed them under their protection. (7) Herzl succeeded in obtaining a guarantee of support from the German Empire in 1898. He wrote in his diaries: "To live under the protection of strong, great, moral, splendidly governed and thoroughly organized Germany is certain to have most salutary effects on the national character of the Jews."(8)

After the German-Ottoman alliance and the refusal by Germany to adopt the Zionist settlement plan, Herzel's interest turned towards British imperialism. In a letter he addressed to Baron de Rothschild, he wrote: "So far, you still have elbow room. May you claim high credit from your government if you strengthen British influences in the Near East by a substantial colonization of our people at the strategic point where Egyptian and Indo-Persian interests converge..."(9)

After Chaim Weizmann took over the Zionist movement in Britain, he wrote a letter to C.P. Scott, Editor-in-Chief of the Manchester Guardian, in November 1914, in which he says "We can reasonably say that should Palestine fall within our sphere of influence and should Britain encourage Jewish settlement there, as a British dependency, we could have in twenty to thirty years a million Jews out there, perhaps more; they would develop the country, bring back civilization to it, and form a very effective guard for the Suez Canal."(10)

Herbert Samuel, the British Zionist who later became first British High Commissioner in Palestine, scored a success for the Zionist movement within the British Government. He presented a memorandum to the government in 1914 proposing the creation of a Jewish state. With the help of Great Britain and the USA, he then requested the British government (which had not yet occupied Palestine) to give the Jewish organizations all the facilities required to set up settlements, establish educational and religious institutions, and to open the doors of Palestine to Jewish immigration so that... in the course of time the Jewish inhabitants grew into a majority and settled in the land... the course which is advocated would win for England the gratitude of the Jews, throughout the world. In the United States, where they number about 2,000,000 and in all the other lands where they are scattered they would form a body of opinion [that] would be favorable to the British Empire."(11)

When Arthur Balfour became Britain's Foreign Minister, the Zionist movement scored another success, due not solely to his deep relationship with this movement, but also to the fact of his being one of the architects of European colonialism in Southern Africa. Balfour furthermore managed to do away with the part of the Sykes-Picot Agreement which called for the internationalization of Palestine, in view of committing Britain to agreeing that Jewish settlements be a preliminary fact to the creation of a Jewish state. (12)

The letter which Woodrow Wilson, the president of the USA, addressed to Lloyd George, the British prime minister was the main factor in dispelling any hesitation the British Government might have had regarding its commitment to the creation of a Jewish state. Immediately after the receipt of this letter, Balfour announced his declaration on November, 1917.

Transformation of Land Ownership

American money thus started pouring in to save Jewish settlements from actually suffocating in their cradle. The Zionist leadership succeeded in amassing $10 million from official and public sources in order to finance its plans. It appealed to the supportive Mandatory government, quoting Article 2 of the Mandate law which states: "...That the Mandatory government be responsible for providing the country with the appropriate economic, political and administrative conditions, that would guarantee the creation of a Jewish national homeland," and Article 6 of the same law which reads: "...it is up to the administration in Palestine to encourage, with the cooperation of the Jewish Agency, the gathering of the Jews on government owned lands mentioned in the Article requested for public use." Furthermore, in 1921, the Mandatory government altered the Ottoman law which allowed any citizen to reclaim any land and register it officially in his name without prior permission. The amendment necessitated obtaining previous permission from the Director of Lands, who naturally was a Zionist, with the aim of limiting the exploitation of uncultivated lands by Palestinians and restricting land registration to the Zionist movement. The Mandatory authority issued in 1926 "The Seizure of Land Law" with the intention of seizing Palestinian lands under the pretext of establishing economic projects. Two years later it issued the "Settlement of Land Ownership Rights Law" through which the Mandate authorities were able to seize lands that belonged to Arab tribes and families and hand them over to the Zionist movement. British Zionists who were appointed in the Mandatory government received their orders from the Jewish Agency and implemented these laws. The British went on to hand over entire villages (such as Bar das Hanna in the Haifa region) in accordance with the terror, of the Palestine constitution amended in 1932. It also promulgated the "Forests Law," according to which tens of thousands of dunums of thick forest lands registered in their Palestinian owners' names were expropriated.(13)

In order to serve their aims, the constitution of the Jewish Agency of 1929 stated in its Article 3:

"Land is to be acquired as Jewish property... the title to the lands acquired is to be taken in the name of the Jewish National Fund, to the end that the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people. The Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish labor... it shall be deemed to a matter of principle that Jewish labor shall employed..." (14)

In addition to this policy, which even prevented Palestinian peasants from working on the land where they once worked for absentee landlords, the land expert who represented the Jewish Agency at the Shaw Committee in 1929 insisted that 90% of the lands bought up to that date belonged to non-Palestinian absentee owners. (15)

The Mandatory government then went ahead with the implementation of laws which would secure the establishment of a Jewish state. It thus allocated illegally to the Jewish Agency 195,000 dunums of state owned lands and gave the control of most concessionary companies, such as the Palestinian Electricity Company, the Salt Company and the Potash Company to Jewish immigrants. "The joint total capital of these companies accounts for 90% of the total capital of all concessionary companies."(16) This policy had dangerous consequences, for it appeared in 1930 that of the 86,980 Palestinian peasant families, 29.40% owned no lands. (17) The theft of the national heritage, led to the exacerbation of misery, suffering and unemployment, all of which are part of a plan aiming at pushing the Palestinians to emigrate. In his memoirs, Joseph Weitz, who headed the management board of the Jewish National Fund from 1951 to 1972, wrote: "Among ourselves it should be clear that the is no room in this country for the two peoples together." (18) He then advocates that the Palestinians be exiled to neighboring countries.

At the end of 1946, the British authorities estimated Jewish land property to be 81,624,000 dunums, or approximately 6% of the total land area.(19) This means that when the State of Israel was declared, 94% of the total area of Palestine was owned by Palestinians. Palestinian farmers were able to preserve their land--against the odds--from transfer to Zionist colonies.

Collective Expulsion

As regards the population, the General Monthly Review, which the Mandate government published, estimated in its March 31, 1947 issue that the Arab, non-Jewish inhabitants numbered 1,400,000, while the Jews numbered 589,341. This clearly proves that an absolute Arab majority prevailed in Palestine on the eve of the declaration of the State of Israel. The Zionist movement succeeded in increasing the number of settlers from 24,000 in 1882 to 589,341 in 1947, or from 5% to approximately 42% of the total population, thanks to the help and policies of the Mandate government which had as a task the creation of such a majority. This majority, however, had not been achieved when the State of Israel at last became a reality. It was then clear to the Zionist leadership when Britain decided to withdraw, that establishing a state in Palestine as Jewish as England is English could not be achieved as long as a dominant Palestinian majority population owned the majority of the lands of their future state.

Palestine

The Zionist leadership then doubled its efforts to draw up sinister plans to insure that its colonial expansionist state was created, especially after Britain abandoned the policy it declared in December 1947 advocating the gradual transfer of authority to two provisional, governments, one Palestinian and the other Jewish, according to the partition plan, in favor of a resolution prolonging the period of its mandate over the whole of Palestine till the 15th of May 1948. This new policy was intended to protect the borders of Palestine against any eventual Arab intervention until the Zionist leadership had completed the mobilization of its human and military resources. Furthermore, being a country with imperialist interests, Great Britain aimed at introducing into Palestine a technologically advanced minority of settlers mobilized by a fanatic and highly organized movement. The British also closed their eyes to the secret arming and training undertaken by the settlers, while they brought all their might to bear on preventing the indigenous majority from arming itself, and proceeded to destroy its political leadership.(20) They gave the Zionist gangs unlimited access to their military arsenal and supplied them with firsthand information on their withdrawal plans.

When the time came for the British forces to withdraw, the Zionist leadership had completed the plans it had been working on for more than 80 years. Yigal Yadin, who headed the Haganah Operations, says that the strategic plan was by then ready and contained illustrated details of every Palestinian village and its inhabitants. (21)

The first phase of this strategy was plan "C." It started before the month of March and saw to it that Zionist areas would not fall into Palestinian hands, and that all communication routes were adequately protected. The part of this plan that concerned the Palestinians foresaw a dirty psychological warfare campaign (the Palestinian population was ordered to take cholera and typhus vaccines, as these epidemics, they said, might spread in March and April).(22) It also foresaw raids against peaceful villages where explosive devises were placed around stone houses, petrol-poured over wooden windows and door frames and then lit, and their inhabitants burned to death inside.(23) On March 9, 1948, the Deir Yassin Massacre took place; it preceded the second phase of the operation, Phase "D" which constituted, in effect zero hour, and which started immediately after the British forces withdrew. These operations had the secret code name "Matateh" (the Broom) and foresaw the use of the burned land policy. According to this plan, Zionist gangs blew up and destroyed 473 Palestinian villages and cities after committing massacres against their population, women, old people and children. They often gathered the men in the village mosque and blew it up on them; some were allowed to watch the operation and then allowed to go in order to inform other Palestinian communities of what was going on. At the same time loudspeakers in the streets carried recorded sounds of fear and women's lamentation and then a voice would be heard, as if from the grave, asking people to emigrate: "All you believers, save your souls, escape and save your life, the Jews are using poisoned gas and nuclear weapons. Have pity on your women and children and set out of this bloodbath, for if you stay you would have brought disaster upon yourselves."(24)

Zionist Colonization 1948-1967

In its aggressive war in 1948, Israel occupied an estimated 20,700 square km. comprising nine whole administrative districts and five sub-districts, out of a total of 18 districts inhabited by a majority Palestinian population of approximately 904,000 people, (25) while the number of Jews in Palestine at the time was a mere 589,341 people. (26) After the completion of the Zionist plan, this Palestinian majority dropped to approximately 120,000 to 130,000 people. This resulted in operations of population substitution and expansion of territory unprecedented in history.

Alec Kirkbride, one of the senior architects of British policy in the Middle East recorded in his book his knowledge of a plan to evict the Palestinian population to Transjordan: "... which was (Transjordan) intended to serve as a reserve of land for use in the resettlement of Arabs once the National Home for the Jews in Palestine which they were pledged to support, became an accomplished fact.(27)

The "Jewish Chronicle" published on August 13, 1947 a detailed report, unchallenged by any Zionist quarter, about the secret talks that took place between Chaim Weizman and the British Minister of Colonies. The former requested that the "Arab population be transferred" out of Palestine in order to implement the partition plan suggested by Britain the same year.

The Zionist movement paved the way for these evictions and expulsion in the international arena by issuing resolutions calling openly and frankly for the eviction of the Palestinians from their country. Thus the British Labour Party passed a resolution in 1944 to encourage the Arabs "to leave Palestine" while Jews would be encouraged to go there. This was preceded by the Baltimore Conference of 1942 which brought together representatives of both the Republican and Democratic Parties and recommended steps to a similar effect. As soon as the State obtained legal international recognition, the Israeli authorities spared no effort to liquidate the Palestinian minority which Ben Gal, Commander of the Northern Region considered a cancer in the body of the State. (28)

This Palestinian minority was subject to the British emergency rules and regulations of 1945, reissued by the Israeli Defence Minister in 1949 under the pretext of security--Israel's "sacred cow"--which it used, as did other fascist regimes, to carry out its racial terror policy. These rules, for example, give the Israeli military officer the right to enact and execute any laws and policies he deems necessary without giving the Palestinians the right to appeal against them. These involve administrative detention, exile, expropriation and destruction of property, the imposition of individual and collective fines, the banning of free speech and publication, the imposition of house arrests, and defining "security" or "closed zones" where entry to and exit from are strictly prohibited.

The lawyer Yacoub Samson Shapira, who later became legal adviser to the Israeli Government, or prosecutor general, described the laws upon their imposition by the British Government as follows:

"The rule that was established after the publication of the emergency regulations in Palestine has no equivalent anywhere else in the civilized world. Even Nazi Germany had no such laws passed even at the service of Nazism and the like."(29) Thus, armed with these arbitrary laws and operating in the shadow of a racialist military rule that lasted 16 years, from 1949 to 1966, Israel proceeded during this period to assemble the Palestinians in certain villages and considered them "security" or closed zones, ghettoes or Bantustans, out of which the population could not circulate.

In the best South African racialist government style, whole areas stretching for tens of kilometers were considered security zones; the same applied to the Galilee and Triangle areas in the heart of Israel, and the area adjacent to the Gaza Strip and the fourth area, on the Jaffa-Jerusalem Railroad near the village of Batteer.(30) At the same time, hurried mass expulsions were taking place without interruption. On the 4th of February 1949, for example, the Israeli authorities evicted half the inhabitants of the village of Kufr 'Anan and forced them across the Jordanian border. On December 25, 1951, Christmas Day, they blew up the village of Iqrit and evicted its Christian Maronite inhabitants after handing them a notice to vacate their houses in only two weeks. The Israeli authorities then proceeded to confiscate their land estimated at 15,650 dunums. On September 16, 1953, the Israeli Infantry and Air Force attacked the village of Kufr Bar'am and destroyed it completely. After that the whole village area amounting 11,700 dunums, were confiscated.(31) On February 28, seven hundred people were expelled from the village of Kufr Yasseef, and forcibly loaded on trucks and then made to cross the Jordan River. On August 17, 1950, the ten thousand inhabitants of Al-Majdal, a Palestinian textile manufacturing center were also deported.(32) This mass expulsion operation lasted for three weeks.

In October the Bagara tribe was forced to cross over into Syria. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz published in its November 3, 1953, and November 1959 issues accounts of some of the expulsion operations involving Palestinian bedouins, carried out by Unit 101 of the Israeli Army, which was headed by the former Israeli Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon during the 1953-1954 period. These operations resulted in the expulsion of a big part of the Azazmeh tribe who were forced to go to the Sinai Desert. Bedouin groups saw Israeli desert vehicles appear in their midst day after day. (33)

"Cannons and automatic weapons were sudden and crippling until finally the children of the desert were destroyed. They gathered their few remaining possessions and led their camels in long silent processions into the heart of the Sinai Desert."

The forcible eviction of these bedouins went on, reaching five different evictions in one year for some tribes. (34) After failing to dislodge the Sawa'ed tribe from their land, the Israelis proceeded to tighten their grip on them. They withdrew their hunting and travel licenses, closed their elementary schools, forbade food supplies from reaching them and prevented them selling their produce outside their area. (35) On September 27, 1950, forty-five houses and all water wells belonging to the Na'im tribe near Shafa 'Amr were destroyed in order to force the population to leave their lands. (36)

In 1950, the Knesset took a decision to turn the "Committee for Arab Rural Property" of 1948 into the "Committee for the Property of Absentees" and appointed a custodian who was considered according to the same Knesset decision the legal owner of all lands and property owned by expelled Palestinians. The custodian was allowed to sell the property only to the "building and development authority" which in turn gave it to the Jewish National Fund, thus becoming the eternal property of the Jewish people, not liable for sale or any other transaction and banning all others, but Jews, from renting or working them.

On the 26th of June 1953, an agreement was signed between the government, the "building and development authority" and the Jewish National Fund (a thief with three faces), to "sell" an estimated 2,373,677 dunums of Palestinian absentee lands to the Fund. Some 15,025,000 dunums were later transferred to it after duly channeling them through other Zionist institutions in order to guarantee the "legality" of the property transfer operation. These lands, and those already owned by the National Fund, were later called "the lands of the nation." Furthermore, and in order to tighten the grip on the Palestinian minority who resisted against the organized massacres, successive Israeli governments issued successive laws with the aim of stealing as much of the land belonging to that minority as possible, thus taking away their means of daily life and existence. In addition to the laws setting up security and closed zones, a new law was issued legalizing the use of abandoned lands and another law "for the requisitions of land in times of emergency 1949." Some of these lands were used to accommodate the new Jewish emigrants on Palestinian lands and in their cities, while others were used to house government institutions. Another new law concerned with the property of "absentee present owners," which considered as absentees thousands of present Palestinians who were supposed to be Israeli citizens. The Israeli authorities must have considered "God an Absentee" when they handed over the property of the Islamic waqf to the custodian of absentee property, who in his turn sold most of this property, including the Moslem cemeteries and some mosques to the Zionist "building and development authority." These lands were estimated to range between 750,000 and 1,100,000 dunums. (37)

Judaization of the Galilee

Last but not least of the laws to mention is the land seizure law "the law for the acquisition of land (operations and compensation) 1953-1954" which epitomizes all other laws involving confiscation. It also legalizes all seizures that occurred during and after the war by giving the Israeli finance minister full powers to transfer the ownership of seized lands to the Israeli government, in addition to giving him the right to expropriate and seize any piece of land without giving the owners of these lands the right to appeal. This law was compared to the laws promulgated in Spain in the middle ages to seize the property of Jews, or to those of the Nazis in more recent times. (38) The Israeli authorities proceeded according to these laws in 1953-1954 to expropriate 1,225,174 dunums in 291 Palestinian villages (39) and 65% of the lands of 78 (out of 104) other villages.(40) Samuel Toledano, who was then adviser to the prime minister on Arab affairs, declared that the law involved as well the seizure of two million dunums of land belonging to the Nagab bedouins.(41) The battle over these lands incidentally, is still going on until today.

The massacre of Kufr Kassem in 1956 and the harassment of many other Palestinian villages failed to push the Palestinians to emigrate. Thus a new wave of settlements started in the sixties under the slogan "Judaization of the Galilee." To avoid the racial connotation the slogan was officially changed to "development of Galilee." This wave, which is still going on today, aims at depriving the inhabitants of Palestinian cities and villages of their means of livelihood and at tightening the grip on them in order to limit their natural growth and development. Nazareth, capital of west Galilee, was the first victim of this wave for around it there were in 1953 some 51 Arab villages with a population of 84,000 persons, owning 929,549 dunums of land. (42) Between the years 1951-1976, Israel established 250 settlements as part of the 3rd phase of settlements. (43)

Naturally those settlements were built on lands seized from Palestinians and others belonging to the cities and villages remaining after the 1948 war. In spite of all that, the situation of the Palestinians and the natural growth in their numbers increased the worry of the Zionist leaders. Israel Koenig, governor of the northern province (which includes Acre, Nazareth, Tiberias and Safad where the majority of Palestinians live), presented a plan to the Israeli ministry of the interior asking it to pursue a clearly defined and basically racial policy to combat the Palestinian demographic "danger" which threatens the purity of Israel. In his document he writes that the national growth rate of the Arab inhabitants of Israel is approximately 5.9% per annum, while that of the Jewish inhabitants is 1.5% per annum. This problem, he says, is acute, especially in the northern province which includes a large number of the "Arab minority." By mid-1975 the number of these inhabitants in the northern district was approximately 250 thousand persons, while the number of Jews was approximately 289 thousand persons. He adds that if one looks at the various districts, he will see that in eastern Galilee the Arabs constitute 67% of the population, and in "Yisrael" province (Nazareth) they constitute approximately 48% of the population. Koenig indicates that in 1974 the number of Jews grew in the northern province by 759 persons, while the number of Arabs grew by 9,025 persons. According to this ratio of growth, the percentage of Arab inhabitants in the northern district will reach over 51% in 1978. (44)

In the light of these "dangers," which are based on racial perceptions, Koenig suggests to the Israeli government a series of measures aiming at decreasing the number of Arab citizens and increasing the number of Jews. He suggests that obstacles be created to prevent Palestinian students from joining higher educational institutions; instead, they should be encouraged to go abroad and then prevented from returning home. He advises the impoverishment of the Palestinians by barring them from working in factories, imposing high taxes and forbidding them from operating as marketing agents, in addition to strengthening the effectiveness of the police force in Arab areas. Although this racist document was not officially adopted by the Israeli government, the measures and policies practiced by successive Israeli governments are similar to what it suggests.

Furthermore, Palestinian town councils are suffocating from racial discrimination through heavy cuts in their development budgets and other sources of income. Maps of city master plans are not authorized to freeze development of Palestinian cities and towns and to prevent the citizens from building. Even the diminished budgets of the local councils are approved only after half the financial year has elapsed in order to paralyze their work and prevent them from providing the citizens with daily services. (45)

The Zionist Settler Colonization of the West Bank and Gaza Strip 1967-1977

The war of 1967 left the doors wide open for Zionist settlement construction, and the experience that the Israeli authorities gained in stealing and expropriating land since the creation of their state helped them to accelerate the expansion process. The Ma'arakh coalition set forth in 1967 to implement the Greater Israel ideal as embodied in the Alion plan. The plan considers 40% of the West Bank as territory falling within Israel's expansionist settlement projects. It includes the annexation of the Gaza Strip and considers the Jordan Valley an inseparable part of Israel.

Ariel Sharon conducted an experimental eviction operation when he was Military Commander in the Gaza Strip and Moshe Dayan was Minister of Defense. Through this settlement wave, the party in power hoped to bring together the plan of Allon, on the one hand, and those of Dayan, Yisrael Galili and Sharon which embody all the ambitions of the annexation and expansion fanatics, on the other. Another typical development of the period was the appearance of the Gush Emunim (Bloc of the Faithful) whose members believe that Messianic salvation resides in the return of the land of Israel. This racist movement was behind the conditions set by the religious groups, namely not to withdraw from the occupied territories except after general elections are held in return for their participation in the Ma'arakh coalition in 1974. The Labour Party agreed to these conditions, thus putting themselves indirectly on the same footing as the Likud coalition.

A ministerial committee representing the Ministries of Absorption and Emigration, Housing, Defense, Trade and Industry, Agriculture and the Interior was formed in 1972 to organize and plan the relocation of 5 million Israelis in the next 20 years, 1972-1992. (46) This project, according to the president of the Committee (Eliezer Brotzkus), involves the territories occupied in 1967. He wrote in an article that 63,000 persons would settle in the occupied territories in the period covered by the project (except for Jerusalem, which the writer considers to be part of Israel). These form only 1 % of the 5 million due to be reallocated.(47) The Jewish Agency, moreover, plans to settle some 100 to 130 thousand persons during the four coming years, and 1,300,000 in the coming 30 years, according to a study on land acquisition and the development of Arab inhabitants. (48)

The Israeli Labour Party and the Ma'arakh government directed their efforts quickly and comprehensively towards Palestinian Jerusalem immediately after it was occupied and annexed on June 28, 1967. A belt of high fortified buildings was erected around the city, and Arab quarters within it were torn down in their entirety to build new quarters for Jewish settlers. Plans were drawn for the construction of more such belts in the form of built-up hilltops encircling the city of Jerusalem. The main strategic purpose of these plans is the isolation, of Jerusalem, "their eternal capital," from the rest of the West Bank, thus making its inclusion in any future peaceful settlement virtually impossible. The second strategic aim is to stop Palestinian natural expansion and growth on their own lands which Israel expropriated to build these settlement belts. Finally, the Palestinian citizens were confined as a result to ghettoes designed to make them even more depressed and incapable of going on, thus paving the way for their expulsion.

Therefore, the settlement effort of the Labour Party and the Ma'arakh were directed towards the Jordan Valley and the adjoining heights along the eastern border. This took the form of two belts, one composed of agricultural settlements on the Jordan River plain and stretching from south of the Dead Sea to the limits of the West Bank in the north where it meets the 1948 Israeli border. Work on this belt came to an almost total halt during the war of attrition waged from the East Bank, and settlement construction shifted to the Syrian Golan till the eve of the seventies.

The second belt was composed of industrial and agricultural settlements stretching along the mountains overlooking the Jordan Valley, starting in the south at the meeting point with the Jerusalem Jericho road, and going northwards to meet the first belt on the northern borders of Israel and the West Bank.

A third belt was also constructed to cover the projects of Allon, Dayan and Galili and involves the regions of Hebron, the settlement belt of Tulkarm and Qalqilya and the axis of the three villages, entirely destroyed a few days after the 1967 war: (Amwas, Yalo and Beit Nuba).

The strategic aims of these settlement belts can be summarized as follows:

The geographical and permanent isolation and separation of Palestine from the rest of the Arab World to the East, and the severing of all geographical links between the Palestinians and the rest of the Arabs.
The encirclement of the Palestinian inhabitants from all sides, thus halting their expansion and confining them to ghettos similar to the South African Bantustans. (49)
To exploit the land and the natural and human resources of the territories including their water, in favor of the Zionist settlers, and to turn those territories into a captive market for Israeli goods and prevent their economic development by encouraging their Palestinian inhabitants to emigrate. The settlement strategy of the Labour Party reflects its understanding of a peaceful settlement. It involves ceding to Jordan (the Jordanian option) the administration of the affairs of the Palestinian citizens in the West Bank, but not of the territory. It refuses to cede its sovereignty on any part of the "Land of Israel" for it considers the Jordan Valley, the heights of Arab Jerusalem, the collection of settlements on the way to Beit Ummar and Hebron and the plains around Qalqilya, Tulkarm and Latroun an indivisible part of Israel.
The years during which the Ma'arakh alignment was in power, in particular the second half of 1975, saw an expansionist leap bigger than any since 1967. The settlement sites, except for Jerusalem, increased from 53 to 77 sites. (50)
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Part Two
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The Zionist Settler Colonization of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip 1977-1982

After Menachem Begin staged his bloodless coup and won his victory over the historic leadership of the Zionist movement and the State of Israel in 1977, a new phase of expansion started. It wasn't necessary anymore to justify the building of settlements to international public opinion by claiming "security" needs as did the Labour Party. Begin and the Likud coalition leaders declared that the West Bank and Gaza were part of the "Liberated Land of Israel" and consequently settling on any and every part of it, including the heart of Palestinian areas, was an absolute right.

The Likud government was not even the least embarrassed when a month after signing the Camp David Accords the Jewish Agency came up in October 1978 with a comprehensive settlement project for "Judea and Samaria" as they called the West Bank. (51)

The Likud started their settlement drive by building a fourth belt of settlements involving the western height of the West Bank, thus barring the natural expansion of the Palestinians westwards towards the territories occupied in 1948. It also built a series of settlements around the Palestinian cities and villages in order to encircle and control security within them, after achieving complete control over their lands and stunting their growth. The Likud also allowed extremist settlers freedom of action inside the cities, as was the case in Hebron.

The severing of all geographical and other contacts between the various Palestinian communities was achieved through the construction of vast new road networks, resulting in the division of the West Bank into isolated separate parts. Settlement blocs were built around Palestinian cities and villages linked to these roads and controlling all strategic junctions. The settlement strategy of the Herut Party which Begin headed, and which leads the Likud coalition, believes in making a fact out of the legend of the historical and godly right of the Jews to serve the political aims of the Zionist movement. They thus saw to it that any future government of Israel would find it impossible to cede any part of the "liberated" West Bank and Gaza to Arab sovereignty. In this manner, all attempts at reaching a peaceful settlement are undermined, and the door remains tightly shut in the face of any negotiations for a just and comprehensive peace settlement while Israel's solution, which aims at a collective Arab concession of defeat, the liquidation of the Palestinian cause and at denying the Palestinians their right of self-determination on their own land, is thus imposed, and the road open for a solution at the expense of neighboring Arab countries.

The other strategic aim of the Likud settlement wave rests on a political basis involving the balance of power within the Zionist establishment. Begin felt that winning an election would not end the role of his strong opponents in Israel's political life and that the battle to end that role is a fight for life or death for him personally and for the principles of Jabotinsky, the creator of the Zionist ideal. It appeared to Begin that the Unified Kibbutz, in particular, and the Moshav movement in general form the political basis on which the Labour Party and Ma'arakh bloc rely upon in all their political fights, and that it was very difficult to compete with them to win over this basis. Thus, Begin and his advisors saw the need to form a political base which would be inspired and guided by his own political attitudes. He consequently allocated phenomenal sums of money to the settlement budget on the West Bank and Gaza and diverted funds from agricultural loans and parts of other budgets to finance the construction of these settlements. These settlements and the ideal of settling on the entire "Land of Israel" would form his own strong political basis and render a severe blow to the hopes of the Labour Party of returning to power one day. (52) In order to build this political basis, military rule was reinforced by a group of fascist officers and civilians, issuing some 1000 laws and military regulations to steal lands and water, and to persecute and oppress the Palestinians in order to prevent them from leading a normal life and consequently force them to emigrate.

Confiscation of Land

The Israeli Government follows the Zionist myth that says the Palestinian people does not exist. This non-existent people which has been struggling for one hundred years to reclaim its usurped land is meanwhile robbed and deprived of its very 'raison d'etre'.

Orders of closure for security reasons or for the construction of military camps for training covered 15% of the privately owned lands in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. (56) The amendment of Jordanian regulations involving the general reorganization of cities and villages of 1966 greatly limited the use of lands by their owners and led to the loss of thousands of dunums bringing the total to 65%. The Israeli government set up groups of experts entrusted with the task of studying the best and easiest ways, means and excuses to expropriate all sorts of Palestinian lands. The Israeli Supreme Court in 1981 approved many of the recommendations made by these groups. (57) That same court had previously ruled in 1972 that Israeli settlers were West Bank citizens thus contravening the Geneva Convention which prohibits civilians belong to the occupying country from living in the occupied territories and equally prevents the expropriation of lands for civilian purposes. (58)

The expansionist wave of settlement building intensified following the declaration of the Reagan plan, which is simply a conciliatory gesture and a cover-up for the role that the United States played in the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the subsequent occupation of an Arab capital. The announcement of the Reagan plan constituted the 'coup de grace' for Palestinian territories, for the expropriation orders doubled and the settlements expanded. This was accompanied by an increase in oppression, persecution, and collective punishment measures.

Curfews were imposed for weeks on Palestinians to prevent them from expressing their rejection of these measures. During a single year from January 6, 1982 to January 6, 1983, the Israeli authorities imposed seventy-seven curfews on twenty-seven Palestinian towns and twenty-five closures of schools and universities. It also gave way to trading and private investment deals by Israeli companies and individuals who started buying, selling and building lands and houses. The Israeli government, for example, gave permission to an Israeli private company to build a new settlement town east of Qalqilya at a cost of two hundred million dollars.

It becomes possible to imagine the extent of the settlement fever when one learns of the methods through which expropriated lands are distributed, as told by Yousef Goei.(59) He writes that once, while Michael Dekel, the undersecretary of the Ministry of Agriculture, was undertaking a tour of western "Samaria" (northern part of the West Bank) he turned to Dani Weinman, director of the Anashim Insurance Company and said: "Take this hilltop and plan it," and this is exactly what Dani Weinman did. He hired an architect to plan the settlement, which was later named Nofim, and in November 1982, a ceremony marked the laying of the first stone of the settlement. Attending the ceremony were the families that bought the 250 homes before a single stone was laid. The buyer, or rather investor, pays some 15,000 dollars as a first payment and the rest is covered by government loans and grants easily handled by the investor. The committee in charge of the distribution of expropriated lands plans to allocate half a million dunums to the settlements and to private and governmental development agencies.

In Ma'aleh Adumim (15 kilometers west of Jerusalem) the announcement that apartments are available for sale has attracted mainly young couples who have to pay only two thousand shekels per month (less than $700) to become owners of a three bedroom apartment.

The area expropriated recently, in a single month, was estimated to be one-fifth of the total West Bank area. The expropriated area stretches between Hebron and the Dead Sea. Observers indicate that these expropriations aim at isolating the southeastern mountains which are six to ten kilometers wide in preparation for their annexation to Israel. This operation amounts to the cancellation and expansion of Israel's 1967 borders. (60)

Almost simultaneously, the biggest expropriation and annexation operation was taking place within the territories occupied in 1948, and this gave rise to the biggest popular Conference of Palestinian Arabs which took place in Shafa Amr on February 26, 1983. The representatives to the Conference took the following decisions:

"The decision taken by the (Israeli) Minister of the Interior on October 7, 1982, concerning the annexation of more than 150 thousand dunums in Galilee to Misgaf Regional Council, threatens the future of the inhabitants of these villages, in particular, and that of the Arab people of Israel, in general.
The Conference also rejects the declarations of the Minister of Interior and other officials that these annexations do not necessarily mean their expropriation but are simply administrative measures. The gravity of these measures becomes evident in the light of the Land Development and Construction Laws which enable the Local Regional Councils to seize up to 40% of the lands falling within the area of their jurisdiction. The Conference also believes that what aggravates the concern of the Arab population about these new measures is that they coincide with other waves of expropriation elsewhere and confirm the declarations made by a number of ministers and high officials openly calling for the Judaization of Galilee, the Triangle area and the Neqab. In this respect one has to mention the demands made by the Governor of Galilee province in his ill-reputed document all of which are actually being implemented, namely to decrease the number of Arab inhabitants in that area in order to avoid what is called "the demographic danger." In view of all that the Conference demands the following:
The abrogation of the measures of the Minister of the Interior concerning the annexation of the lands of 20 Arab villages with a population reaching 85 thousand and their area of jurisdiction which counts no more than 60 thousand dunums to the "Misgaf" Regional Council which itself has a population of no more than 2,000. The villages in question are: 1) Eilboun, 2) Deir Hanna, 3) Arraba, 4) Sakhnin, 5) Kawkab, 6) Kafr Manda, 7) Ebieen, 8) Sha'ab 9) Kaboul, 10) Al Ramah, 11) Najaf, 12) Majd al Kurum, 13) Deir al Assad, 14) Yarka, 15) Jadidah, 16) Jules, 17) AI Maker, 18) Fassouta, and 19) Arab al Sawa'ed. The Conference also demands the abrogation of the Minister's measures concerning the isolation of 40 blocs from the lands of Shafa Amr, consisting of 2,400 dunums and their annexation to the "Ya-amiq Yisrael" Regional Conference.

The Conference also condemns the recommendations made by the committee of inquiry appointed by the Minister of the Interior and headed by Israel Koenig, Commissioner of the Northern District, which calls for the annexation of 170 dunums of land from the Palestinian city of Nazareth to the "Jewish Nitzreet E'eiete" (High Nazareth) municipality. The Conference further declares its support for the inhabitants of the Triangle in their demand to cancel the reclosure order affecting the area of maneuvers 105-109 which accounts for 35,000 dunums."(61)
In order to boost the expansionist settlement wave and fulfill the "greater land of Israel" legend, and in continuation of its aggression on the Palestinian people and their future aspirations, and the neighboring countries, the Israeli government approved in the mid-1980's as part of its regional water plans, the construction of the Mediterranean-Dead Sea Canal. And on January 30, 1983, one thousand American Zionists from the Israel Bonds Organization, as founders of the "Two Seas Canal" Project, each paid $1000 thousand. (62) The Israeli Energy Minister announced the beginning of the implementation of the project, which will cost $1.4 billion. Sam Reutreg, President of the "Bonds" project and one of the organizers of the World Zionist Economic Congress 1967-1968, linked the importance of the "Two Seas Canal" project with the "Tennessee Valley Authority" project then said that through this project "Israel can undergo a Rebirth process." He also quotes Begin's words to the "Bonds" presidents' conference: "it is time to fulfill the prophesy of Herzel to dig a canal that would link the Mediterranean to the Dead Sea, with the aim of increasing the energy output of the State."(63)

This project of dubious economic feasibility has a special strategic importance. Its main aim probably is to increase the possibilities of building nuclear reactors with water cooling systems in relatively uninhabited areas. The project will also allow Israel to use more expropriated Palestinian lands in the Gaza Strip, the Neqab, and the West Bank. The recent expropriations that took place in Hebron might be connected to the Canal project. This "American" project dashes, furthermore, all the hopes that some still have of reaching a just solution that would give rise to an independent Palestinian state.

Water Exploitation and Agricultural Limitations

In pursuit of the policy of robbing the Palestinians of their means of livelihood, the Israelis turned from land to water to, thus hastening the pace of Arab "voluntary" expulsion and satisfying the need of the settlements to irrigate the expropriated lands. These consume now up to 20% of the West Bank water while the number of their settlers (excluding Jerusalem) does not exceed 2-3% of the population. Reliable estimates indicate that there is a surplus of water in the West Bank of 630-775 million cubic meters per annum and the consumption of the Palestinians on the West Bank is 120 m.cu.m. per annum. Meanwhile, Israel will face a water shortage of 500 per annum in 1985.(64) Thus the Israeli occupation authorities took a series of measures to insure that the West Bank stays Israel's permanent water reservoir, mainly through:

The control of all existing wells and a ban on digging new Arab ones. Military Order No. 92, which went into effect on November 19, 1967, gives the Water Officer "All the responsibilities related in any way to water matters."(65) Now the Israeli occupation authorities control approximately 90% of the West Bank water springs and distribute them according to the interest of Israel and its inhabitants on both sides of the green line. (66)
Water meters were installed on Arab wells to limit, and even decrease, the consumption of water.
Most water institutions in the West Bank cities and villages were linked to the Israel Regional Water Company in order to facilitate the control over water consumption and the use of water by imposing collective punishments. Since the first days of occupation, the Arabs were forbidden from digging new wells, and for many years no wells were dug to supply the region of Al-Bireh and Ramallah with water until that particular network was linked to the Israel Regional Water Company (Mikorot).
Among the chief preoccupations of the Israeli occupation authorities is whether to supply the settlements with water from West Bank wells or with water pumped out of the Jordan River. (Mikorot) dug deep wells near Arab ones used to irrigate what land remained after the mass expropriations. This resulted in the drying up of Arab wells since the Israeli ones were dug into the same water basin as it happened in Ein-at-Oja which used to pump 11 million cubic meters of water per annum. This caused the destruction of the banana plantations and drinking water became scarce which led to a loss of some 3 million dollars for Palestinian farmers. (67) The water sources of the village of Beida also dried out after the Israelis dug new wells between Bardala and Tai-al-Beida. These were dug with the intention of letting Arab wells dry up as a result. A warning that this might happen appeared in the "Plan of 1975 for the Development of the Jordan Valley."
The "Plan of 1974 for Water Supply" also warned that the No. 1 Bardala well would cause partial drying up of water sources supplying the occupied territories. (68) In spite of these warnings the occupation authorities went ahead with the digging and caused the total destruction of some Palestinian citrus plantations, and the total drying up of some Palestinian wells.

In addition to expropriating land and water, the Israeli authorities issued military orders preventing any new developments in the Palestinian agricultural sector. Thus a few days after the West Bank was occupied, Order No. 47 was issued forbidding the export or import of any agricultural products without prior permission, and whoever disobeys that order will be jailed for 3 years or made to pay a fine of 3 thousand dinars, or both.(69) Naturally, the purpose of the law is the protection of Israeli agricultural produce, while keeping the markets of the West Bank and Gaza saturated with highly subsidized Israeli produce in order to cripple the Palestinian farmers (who, at the onset of occupation, accounted for 43% of the population), and turn them into unskilled laborers, therefore, reducing the number of Arab workers in the agricultural sector. In 1981 this decrease reached 26. 3%.(70)

The military authorities issued several laws and orders in order to check agricultural growth, among which are laws Number 588, 596, and 818, and law No. 1015 which forbids the planting of one single fruit bearer tree for both individuals or cooperatives without prior permission from the military governor.(71) Above and beyond this policy which aims at freezing the "status quo" of 1967, if not moving the situation backwards, the amount of water used for irrigation has not increased since 1967, and not a single well has been dug for agricultural purposes (72) in spite of the fact that the water surplus in the West Bank allows for quadrupling the area of irrigated land (73) and in spite of the fact that only 5% of West Bank lands are under irrigation thousand dunums. (74)

In the water sector, racial discrimination reaches its peak. The settlers who number 2-3% of the West Bank population (with the exception of Jerusalem) account for 20% of the total consumption of water in the region. (75) Other sources indicate that Israeli settlements account for some 30% of the total consumption of the area. (76)

Besides the percentage of water consumed by the settlers at the expense of the Palestinian people, the Israelis consider the West Bank to be Israel's main water reservoir. Consequently, plans are drawn up accordingly, in particular depriving the owners of these water sources from their means of livelihood, and putting a limit of 100-200 million cubic meters on their consumption in order to save the remaining water, which amounts to 500-600 million cubic meters for the use of the Zionist settlements in Israel proper and those on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. (77) Above and beyond the amount of land expropriated (in the Jordan Valley 80% of the total was expropriated and more than 65% of the total West Bank lands) the danger rests in the outlook of the successive Israeli governments towards the occupied territories, which they consider an indivisible part of Israel with a superficial difference in opinion as to the nature of their link and relationship with Israel.

The danger equally rests in the outlook of the Zionist movement and all its political and military institutions towards the Palestinian people, and the pretence that Palestinians do not exist, which allows Israelis to operate on the basis of the "Present-Absentee" principle, with a view to liquidating the Palestinians as a people with a cause.

Colonial Settlement and Its Ramifications For The Palestinian People

The expansionist settlement movements such as the "Gush Emunim," headed by Moshe Levinger, and the "Tehiya" by the Minister of Science and Energy, and the "Kach" organization, headed by Rabbi Meir Kahana, are nothing but the core of the most outspoken Zionist circles who express themselves clearly, without the tactical deceit of others, about the future strategy of the Zionist movement and the Israeli government towards the occupied territories and the Palestinians. If these movements were not so deeply ingrained in the political, social and military life of Israel and in the heart of the World Zionist Movement, they would merely have been odd voices in a reasonable society.(78) The Gush Emunim settlers movement which calls for vengeance and mass expulsions is, like the other above mentioned movements, a huge settlement apparatus running more than 30 settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.(79) It is armed and has its own secret squads under the command of high officials within the Israeli Defense Ministry, linked directly to the Office of the Prime Minister.(80)

The close relationship between the Gush Emunim and Yigal Allon, when he was Deputy Prime Minister, and Shimon Peres, when he was Minister of Defense, gave the Gush Emunim the opportunity to build the settlements of Kiryat Arba', near Hebron in the south, and the settlement of 'Ofra in the north. Thus, the Gush Emunim are not different from Peres and Peres is not different from Begin. In a declaration, Peres, the president of the Labour Party said: "No responsible body in Israel would agree to the resolution's demand for dismantling the settlements in the territories." He was commenting on a U.N. Security Council resolution in 1980. Is the document of the Commissioner of the North not a faithful statement of what the Gush Emunim calls for? Is it not similar to the demands formulated by Matityahu Drobles, head of the settlement's department at the Jewish Agency who calls for the establishment of settlements around and within areas inhabited by the "minority", within the context of his report "Skeleton Plan for the Development of Settlements in Judea and Samaria 1979-1983," and to his declaration that "settlement on the entire land of Israel is based on security needs and a historical right? (81)

In 1980, Matityahu Drobles issued a new document,"Settlement in Judea and Samaria, Political Strategy, and Plans," in which he demands that a race against time be undertaken to create facts on the ground in order to confound any Arab understanding of self rule that would include control of the land, and advocates the seizure of state and unused lands for the purpose of settling them. (82) It is natural for the Gush Emunim to shoulder the responsibility to express the Zionist solution to the "Palestine Problem." In their opinion,the present struggle with the Palestinians is a contemporary version of the legendary fight between the Cannanites and the Giants. The Giants' solution was to take revenge by killing every Cannanite man, woman and child. As for the Cannanites, their choices were the following:

To live under the Israeli dictated conditions.
Or, to emigrate.
Or, to declare war.
In an article published by the Gush Emunim's Department of Information, under the title "The Real-Politik of Our Sages," Dr. Israel Eidad demanded that the Palestinians not be given self rule or any other kind of compassionate solution, but should be expelled. Expulsion during war, he says, is acceptable in a state of war, and until this expulsion operation is launched, life for the Palestinians should be made as miserable as possible on the West Bank and Gaza, to facilitate their emigration.

General Aharon Yariv, previously head of Israeli Intelligence and currently head of the Institute of Strategic Studies at the Tel Aviv University, warned in a lecture he delivered at the Hebrew University that there is a plan among some Zionist circles to seize the opportunity of a state of war to expel 700 to 800 thousand Arabs. Even the means to this end are ready.(83) The settlers' private armies are entrusted with this plan and for this purpose they are armed and equipped with official weaponry with a license to kill Palestinian children who protest against the expropriation of lands by throwing stones at the Israeli settlers. Their duty is, moreover, to organize terror, kidnapping and assassinations.

Furthermore, successive Israeli governments undertook a series of policies to transform the West Bank and Gaza Strip into the world's single biggest market for Israel's goods, with no competition whatsoever and almost completely closed to foreign imports; now, 20% of Israeli exports are marketed in these areas. (84) The occupied territories were deprived of all means of industrial and agricultural development as a result of the military orders which ban the establishment of any industry without the prior approval of the military authorities; in addition, the tax policy the Arabs are subjected to is a sword hanging above the necks of merchants, investors, and most recently also those of professionals such as doctors, lawyers and engineers. Unreasonable taxation constitutes the most effective means of pushing the people to emigrate. Intelligence elements operating within the Israeli tax system impose phenomenal taxes on the people and ask those concerned either to pay up those impossible sums or leave.

More than 49 % of the labor force on the West Bank works in Israel,(85) is exploited by Israeli employers (86) and is deprived of its right to enjoy health and other insurance benefits. Besides, Israeli labor offices which recruit these laborers do not take the Palestinian labor market into consideration. The seriousness of this problem is felt in the Palestinian agricultural sector which lost its major labor force. Moreover, the military authorities carry out measures of oppression and persecution to provoke the population to hasten their "voluntary" departure; such measures include:

More, than 24 thousand houses were blown up since 1967 on the pretext that they harbored guerrillas, regardless of whether the landlord was charged or not. The houses of the 3 villages of Emwas, Yalo and Beit Nouba were razed to the ground. Some of the houses were demolished with their occupants inside. The rest were expelled for the second time.
More than two-thirds of the West Bank inhabitants have gone, at one time or another, to interrogation centers or to jails, and more than 3,000 are continuously being held in prisons, subjected to all sorts of torture in order to destroy them physically and morally.
All forms of collective punishment are being put into practice, such as the imposition of curfews on the various Palestinian population centers for periods ranging from several days to several weeks, during which the population cannot work or obtain food. Mass detentions are carried out. The population is often assembled in public squares under the biting cold and the rain, all night long, or under the blazing sun; abuse and insults are then hurled upon them, in addition to their being beaten, and threatened. People are repeatedly forbidden from travelling or even taking their goods to sell outside their area of residence.
Education in schools, institutes and universities is constantly being interrupted. Closures often occur and hundreds of students, teachers and professors are kept away from their schools. Abusive laws are imposed in order to give full control of the higher education institutions to Israeli military officers.
Obstructing the work of, and even dissolving some of the Municipal Councils and imposing economic pressures on others in order to force them to approve the policies of the military authorities against the interest of the people, and the mayors are sometimes sent into exile. Village Leagues, composed of groups of informers and agents, were formed to create and spread fear among the people, and to prepare them for an alternative leadership to the PLO and to their national leadership in the occupied territories.
One thousand, five hundred and sixty Palestinians, such as mayors, presidents of universities, union, labor, professional and education leaders, and various personalities and politicians considered representative of the people's aspirations, were sent into exile. All this aimed at depriving the Palestinian people of any form of indigenous national leadership--transforming them into a leaderless minority.
Civil liberties are curtailed by imposing strict surveillance on newspapers, banning thousands of books and limiting the circulation of newspapers appearing in Jerusalem. Writers, journalists and men of letters are put under house arrest, and artistic exhibitions are closed down. The Palestinian theatre is incapable of operating in total absence of freedom as are all cultural and educational institutions.
As a result of Israel's above mentioned economic and security policies, the aim of "voluntary" expulsion of the Palestinians was fulfilled. The number of "emigrants" reached 100,000 between 1968 and 1980, which equals half their natural population increase. "In 1983, 83% of the natural increase (20,000) was eliminated by emigration (17,000)." (87)

Some sources estimate that over 160,000 Palestinian citizens were forced to emigrate during the past 10 years.

The annual rate of population increase of the Palestinians in the West Bank also dropped from 2.4% in 1974 to 0.6% in 1981, and in the Gaza Strip and North Sinai from 2.8% to 2.2% in 1981. (88)

At the same time the population of Israel has increased three-fold, and that of the East Bank has quadrupled. (89) The danger of this phenomenon resides in the quality of the emigrants themselves. A big percentage of them are high school and university graduates from the West Bank who constitute the binding agent between the different strata of any community. The reason for this qualitative emigration is due to the lack of sufficient development in the Palestinian economy to absorb the ever increasing number of graduates. Reports indicate that the number of high school dropouts has increased by 50%.(90)

The settlement policy aims to steal land, water and all Palestinian human and natural resources, and to implement an operation of human substitution, the first ever of such dimensions in history, executed by means of carnage and terror and by plunging the Palestinian people into unbearable economic, security and psychological circumstances. This has cost the Zionist movement and the State of Israel, since 1964, 45 billion shekels (in current prices) approximately one billion and 300 million dollars. The Ministry of Housing has paid some 21 billion shekels, approximately 600 million dollars, in addition to what the Ministry of Labour and the settlement branch of the Jewish Agency have spent to prepare the land and install sewage, water, electricity and road system terms.(91)

It is difficult to assess all that has been invested in the settlement operation, due to the diversity of financial sources. Yigal Ation admits, for example, that he helped a group of settlers, before their settlement was officially recognized, with funds from the Ministry of Labour when he was at its head.(92) What further makes a full assessment difficult is the participation of the private sector and the individual contributors after the "ideological" settlement idea failed. As we mentioned above, a settlement would be built in Qalqilya, for example, which would cost a private Israeli company 200 million dollars.

Where do these huge sums of money invested in the settlement operation come from, when Israel is suffering from economic and financial crises, foreign debts, widespread strikes and spreading poverty in its big cities? The Israeli Van Leer answers:

"Apart from armaments, preferential trading conditions, permission for Americans to make tax-deductible gifts to the government of Israel, military aid in general, satellite intelligence and protection by veto at the United Nations (often against direct American interests), the American government has over the last nine years donated to every man, woman and child in Israel some $10,000 U.S. in grants and soft loans."(93)

Gad Yaqoubi, member of the Israeli Labour Party in the Knesset writes:

"... American aid to Israel has amounted to US $23 billion in grants and loans ... and now covers over half our balance of payments deficit."(94)

Elmer Winter, President of the Israeli Economic Development Committee, writes:

"Israel has been and remains the single beneficiary of the United States foreign aid. For the fiscal year of 1982 which began last October, United States aid reached the amount of $2.2 billion. Of that, US $1.46 billion is in foreign military sales credits, including US $550 million in grants, an increase of US $50 million over the previous year. In economic assistance, US $785 million are allocated and the administration wanted two-thirds of this in the form of grants. The Congress increased that sum 100 per cent, which means an additional US $262 million in grant aid. The "memorandum of understanding" between the United States and Israel... has an economic package amounting to US $200 million for Israel." (95)

In addition to all this, Jewish Americans contribute through the "United Jewish Appeal" the sum of US $280 million annually. Irving Bernstein, deputy executive director of this Zionist institution, says: "We don't have anything to do with poverty or welfare. Most of our money goes to immigrant absorption, settlement and Youth Aliya." Then he asks himself where else would Israel get the money necessary for the absorption of emigrants, education of youth and the construction of settlements? From Israel's debt which is at 20 billion dollars while two-thirds of its budget goes for defence purposes and payment of foreign debts. The American people's financial support for Israel through the Jewish Agency accounts for two-thirds of the total support it receives from all over the world, which amounts to between 400 and 500 million dollars per annum. The member of Congress Marvin Dymally raised the question of this aid given at the expense of the American people saying: "95 percent of his district could not justify the large aid package to Israel at a time of high unemployment and budget cuts in America," adding that to make matters worse, Israel has received more loans since 1973 than all of the Black African Continent combined.

In response to pressures from some members of Congress who were trying to link American aid to freezing the settlements in the occupied territories, Nicolas Veliotes, Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs, declared his rejection of any such link upon the recommendation of Secretary of State George Shultz, in spite of the fact that he considers the settlements to be of "bad faith on the part of Israel." The refusal by the USA to exert any material or moral pressure on Israel to force her to stop the expropriations and the building of settlements is practical proof of the connivance between the USA and Israel, and of American approval of Israeli plans to control the whole area through the occupation of more Arab lands and through the Balkanization of Arab countries into small easily controlled sectarian entities.

Thus, considering its sources of finance and its strategical agreement with the United States, "Greater Israel" has become an American-Zionist joint project, and consequently, this project will never come to an end, except if and when the petrodollars will stop flowing into Israel from Washington. Above and beyond the plans of settling in and around Palestinian cities, and the plans to increase the number of settlers to 100,000 or one million, the Zionist expansion project cannot be separated from the fact of occupation and the problem of getting rid of it.

The presentation of Arab peace initiatives will be in vain if the pressure on the USA is not maintained and the military alternative is not developed.

Those who follow the progress of peace initiatives will find that they were all made to fail by Israel, beginning with the mission of Gunnar Yarring, the international mediator and ending with that of President Reagan, passing by Ben Gurion's refusal to agree to security arrangements between the Arab States and Israel. The fact that the Israeli leadership which actually follows very closely developments on the Arab and Palestinian scenes, has chosen to ignore the developments on the Palestinian scene and the adoption of a peaceful but just settlement policy line by the PLO. This Israeli indifference is not at all a failure on the part of Israeli governments to appreciate the importance of these developments but reflects a negative Israeli reaction which stems from a historical refusal to achieve peace. If the Israeli leadership had the smallest interest in achieving peace for its people, it would have acknowledged the PLO's political line and dealt with it as it should be dealt with for no other Palestinian leadership ever had the courage to present what this leadership has presented and in spite of that, Israel does nothing but ignores it in order to carry on with its expansionist ambition.

Regardless of how much land was already expropriated (65% and 45% in the West Bank and Gaza Strip respectively), and how many settlements were built in the West Bank and Gaza Strip (144 as of June, 1983) which constitute 30% of the Palestinian habitations in the occupied territories of 1967. They will constitute 45% in 1988. And whether they control 90% of the water springs or 100% of all water resources.

Regardless of the monstrosity of these suffocating policies which, still, if they were of a temporary nature and of a passing circumstantial element, the Palestinians would be as lucky as any other European people who lived the tragic experience of Nazi occupation.

But the dilemna of the Palestinians lies behind the philosophical and ideological basis of these Israeli adopted policies which the Israeli governments contemplate as permanent. These policies stem from dogmatic fanaticism incompatible except with a movement rooted in Fascism. This ideology advocates and is based on three premises:

First, it is based on the negation of the existence of the Palestinians as a people. They claim its non-existence. The Israelis, confronted with challenges presented by Palestinian resistance, came to the conclusion to prove their premise, they had to liquidate them morally and physically. On this basis, the Israelis are refusing either to negotiate or to conclude peace with the Palestinians. Their conception of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) as a terrorist organization is merely a cover for their denial of the existence of the Palestinian people.
Secondly, their belief that they are not only the chosen people of God, but His real estate agents and inheritors. When the Israelis confiscate the land of the Palestinians, they believe they have liberated it. When they kill the owner of this land they believe they have implemented God's will. An obstacle to God's will, a gentile, is eliminated, the killer, a Jew, the agent of God, is freed.
Thirdly, the governing circles in Israel, and its Zionist political parties, believe that might, military excellence and superiority are the only means of statehood. Launching preventive wars against neighboring countries and raiding Palestinian refugee camps, the Israeli governments believe, are the only preservatives of Israeli expansionism. Balkanization of Arab countries into tribal and sectarian states is the only guarantee of the Israeli state's exalted existence. Strategies of short and long ranges are drawn to fulfill Israel's might.
As the leader of international Zionism, before and after the establishment of the Zionist state, the Labour Party is absolutely responsible for laying down the seeds of hatred, which is contrary to the basic spirit of man, and strife and colonization between Palestinians whether Jews, on the one hand, or Christians and Moslems on the other. For never throughout the history of the Middle-East were the Jews discriminated against by Arabs as the Zionists are now discriminating against others.

Maybe somebody will prefer to forget the past and start fresh. The new political platform of the Israeli Labour Party adopted in their latest national conference declares an implied war of genocide against the Palestinians. It states active defence against the PLO in the field of security and in the ideological-political field is a duty on any government in Israel.

On withdrawal it states:

"Israel will insist upon recognized defensible borders which are to be permanent political borders, and she will not return to the borders of June 4, 1967, which constituted temptation to aggression."

On Jerusalem it states:

"United Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty is the capital of the state of Israel." The document denies the right of return to the refugees and promises that Israel will obtain resources to finance refugee rehabilitation.

The resolutions of the Labour's last convention also emphasized the maintenance of settlements and the refusal to dismantle them.

Eventually, the world will be disappointed by the inexorable leaders of the Labour Party as they were by the unpalatable leadership of the Likud.

The United States of America and Israel should recognize that their policies of expansionism and the denial of Palestinian right to self-determination are disastrous for both sides. The Middle East is not a perfect playground for the game of nations to be played upon recklessly. The United States leadership will one day witness the wreckage of their foolish policies.
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More on topic now...

Youth are the recipients of more abuse, pain, hunger and neglect than any other group of people. In addition to all this children face an extraordinary amount of scapegoating and blame for problems that simply are not their fault. Now more than ever it is important to challenge the discrimination, exploitation and abuse that young people face every day of their lives, and make Youth Empowerment and liberation a central goal of movements for change.

--Tim

thanks you hollybare!

your not wasting post space like you used to!

your post is relevant and in depth. finally!

:D :D :D :D :D

When I was just stating my personal opinions to some of the posts here I was hit with all kinds of flack. Now, I post a thread with all kinds of undisputable facts....and not even one comment. Hmmmmm............ What? No one can take the truth???

Possibly because no one wants to read approximately 200 pages of complete poppycock?

I tend the children go wrong when they have screwed up people in the head...such here try to tell them things that are bull and they are weak and filled with BS.

Often true Computerguy not in all cases.

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Possibly because no one wants to read approximately 200 pages of complete poppycock? [/quote:76c1afcac3]



And just why would I expect anything intelligent from you?? So now history is poppycock??? Wait till it catches up with you!!

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And just why would I expect anything intelligent from you?? So now history is poppycock??? Wait till it catches up with you!! [/quote:4c39cd0bae]

We didn't land on the moon. Dinosaurs ate cavemen. Franklin D. Roosevelt was actually a Predator alien hunting Hitler.

YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S HISTORY!!!!

CaractacusPotts, i agree with you on this one, but here is something for everyone to think about:
"The memories of men are too frail a thread to hang history from."--John Still

Lack of discipline is what is wrong with the children of today. There is a difference between discipline and abuse. Let's face the facts, there are some behaviors that "time out" just isn't going to be enough of a punishment to prevent bad behavior from being repeated. When I was growing up, there was no such thing as time out . What was discipline then would be considered abuse (or the closest thing to abuse). Families attended church on Sundays (I grew up in the 60's) Most of us turned out to be successful and productive adults. Children were taught to respect adults and other children. There just wasn't the juvenile crime rate or anything close to what there is today. When you have parents that pretty much let their kids walk all over them, the kids don't learn to respect anyone or anything. Everyday I see kids walking around like their **it doesn't stink expecting to be treated like the rest of the world owes them respect and anything else they think they are entitled to. The HORRIBLE TRUTH is, NOBODY is born with respect, RESPECT is something that is EARNED. Treat others how you want to be treated.

Now that I am a parent myself, I now understand what my dad meant when prior to spanking my butt said to me "this is going to hurt me more than it's going to hurt you", I remember thinking at the time that he was lying, how could him spanking my butt ever even remotely cause him to feel the pain? As a parent, it hurts right in your heart cause you love your child more than life itself and never want to see anyone inflict pain on your child muchless you being the one doing it. Sometimes the punishment has to be felt (depending on the severity of the bad behavior)so it will be remembered and the child will think twice before doing something they know is unacceptable and could quite possibly warrant a spanking.

So, the question really is not "What is wrong with the children" but more like "What is wrong with the parents."

One thing that really rubs me the wrong way (and kids will agree with me on this one) is parents who invade their childs privacy by listening in on their phone conversations, snooping through their rooms, purses, backpacks and any other personal belongings. EVERYONE is entitled to their own privacy, including kids. The only time snooping through their things is excusable is if you have been given a reason to such as noticable change in attitude, behavior, school grades falling , things that point to an obvious need for intervention. But, I believe that prior to resorting to that, try talking to your kid.

Your child should not have to feel that he/she must hide things from you regardless of the seriousness of it. Parents should raise their kids to trust them enough to be able to come to you when they have a problem and know that they won't get in trouble or made to feel embarrased.

My dad once gave me a piece of advice and he said if I never take any other advice from him, at least take this one "Never forget you were once a child" I have not forgotten that and it has made my relationship with my kids better than it ever would have been.

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personally, i would rather have all the kids cussing and screaming than everybody holding their mouth when it is obvious they have something important to say.
freedom of expression is more important than respect.
(note: i dont suggest that people should kill and claim it is art, just that the priorities must be set correctly) [/quote:0a06187e8e]

Nothing is more important than respect and respect is something that is EARNED. When people respect one another they have more freedom in life be it freedom of speech or whatever. The less respect people have towards one another the less freedoms of anything we have. Why do you think there are so many laws enacted by government as it is? Lack of respect for our fellow man, that is why.

I read your post and it sounds like you were born in my time.1930you had good parents and you are right its not the children its their parents.Children must be taught and it comes back to us.There are too many children haveing babies and the parents themselves have not grown up.We must shoulder the blame and stop doing things that are not right.Case in point The VanDan murder of their child.If the parents had been good parents and not acting crazy bringing trash into their home that child would still be alive.We are reponsible for our actions and bad decisions are passed on to our children.We can not punish out children for things we are guilty of doing.We must be role models and act like adults.If we are not ready for this we should leave the baby getting till we are ready.It might be too late for some of these children but we can help if we see one going wrong.Just stop and say"Why are you doing that" Some of these kids want you to make them behave.This little thought might stick in the back of their heads befor they do wrong again.

Missvee:

Actually, I was born in 1960. As for the Van Damn murder, I live in San Diego and have been trying to keep up on the trial and I still have my doubts on who the perp really is.

People just don't want to shoulder the responsible for their actions or their inactions and now we see what the results are.

I am watching it too .Iam like you I am not sure.So Iam 30years older than you and you sound like someone in my space age.Its the parents that take credit for your sound judgement.Thank God for the remnant.

You can say whatever is on your mind but it's the way it is said that is either respectful or disrespect. You can be respectful with words and people will listen or you can be disrespectful and get nowhere. Don't expect to be an asshole to anyone with words or attitude and the results you think you should, it doesn't work that way.

[quote:7837ee2aef="californiagirl"][quote:7837ee2aef="mundanus"]
personally, i would rather have all the kids cussing and screaming than everybody holding their mouth when it is obvious they have something important to say.
freedom of expression is more important than respect.
(note: i dont suggest that people should kill and claim it is art, just that the priorities must be set correctly) [/quote:7837ee2aef]

Nothing is more important than respect and respect is something that is EARNED. When people respect one another they have more freedom in life be it freedom of speech or whatever. The less respect people have towards one another the less freedoms of anything we have. Why do you think there are so many laws enacted by government as it is? Lack of respect for our fellow man, that is why.[/quote:7837ee2aef]

respect is given. it is given from one to another. the earning of respect is convincing people you deserve it.