Hi,

I had this forum site pop up today and after reading a few posts decided to get your opinions on some new technology that is now being marketed.

They have taken frequencies and programmed them into a holographic disc, which when placed on the appropriate object has an effect. For example, they have a disc that is supposed to increase gas mileage. The disc is programmed with the frequency for 102 octane among other things and when affixed to the bottom of the gas tank affects the properties of the gas and therefore increases gas mileage, reduces emissions etc.

Supposed to be based on TESLA's work. Seems pretty awesome, I have talked to people who have used the discs and swear by them.. up to 35% increase in gas mileage..

What do you think?

Their home page is http://www.frequencycenter.com

Thanks
The Bird Guy

That web site does not exist. Gives me a 404.

By the way, I do not believe 102 octane is possible, since the octane rating is a percentage. While we're at it, higher octane doesn't increase gas mileage or reduce emissions. It just helps the engine resist knocking. Also, how exactly would a hologram affect gasoline at all?

Sorry, it's a scam. So are the magnets you put on the fuel line of your car. So are the "deposed Nigerian kings" and whatnot asking for money.

The website is http://www.frequencycenter.com

I just went there no problem..

I put the gas discs on my vehicles this past saturday so we shall see.. I personally have talked with customers who swear by the gas disc.

I have had the weight loss disc for about 6 weeks though and without any change in activity or diet have lost about 12 pounds.

I don't think it is a scam at all. JMHO

The Bird Guy

I just tried www.frequencycenter.com and received an error message...maybe I need one of those discs for my computer...:D

Originally posted by thebirdguy
Supposed to be based on TESLA's work.
good band....like their music

good band....like their music
You should be shot for that comment. Tesla, Einstein, Da Vinci, and Hawking are my heroes you bastard!

Originally posted by Blibblob
good band....like their music
You should be shot for that comment. Tesla, Einstein, Da Vinci, and Hawkings are my heroes you bastard!
You misspelled your fourth hero's name. It's just "Hawking", not "Hawkings". :hitout:

... did not, there is no Hawkings in this picture. EFICIENCY IS BAD FOR THE MOTHERLAND! *Throws down a smoke bomb and runs away* :woohoo:

I have had the MPT disc on my 1996 camry with 134000 miles on it for about 6 weeks now. The EPA says that the 96 camry should get 28 miles per gallon and while we used to get that years ago, I don't think we have gotten better than 25 per gallon on the freeway for several years. However, since putting the MPT disc on my car, I have made three trips of approximately 400 miles round trip each, I have averaged 34, 35 and 34 miles per gallon on those three trips. I AM SOLD!!! With regular unleaded going for $2.03 here, I figure I am saving about $12 a week in fuel expenses.

AWESOME!!!:p

Im not buying it. There's no reason it should work.

Your not working for them are you?

Originally posted by WindWip
Your not working for them are you?
Sure seems that way. And you're right, there is no scientific reason they should work, which means the most probably don't, no matter what this guy says.

Sounds like those stickers you put on your phone that magically increase your reception, even though they're not touching any conducting part of the phone.

How on earth does that thing work?

The info on the site is very vague - just put some sticker on your gas tank - yeah right.

Sounds great, but i'm dubious.

Tell you what Birdguy - You buy me one and I'll try it. If it works - i'll give you double the cost of the stticker. You can't lose right? PM me and I'll tell you where to mail it to.

If you have noticed any real change then I will have to attribute it to Pygmalion Effect, in other words you are driving differently without realizing it. EVer notice if you think you will trip you do? You worry about it and then make it happen. I am a firm believer in the effects of the self fulfilling prophecy.
So remember marketing of items that have no valid reason to work is always based on something that we can control oursleves. Usually weight loss, stop smoking and the likes. Place a piece of paper on the tank with the same thoughts and it will work just as well.
Sorry but I am very skeptical of anything.

I took a MPT disc to Utah State University yesterday and had them test it on their emissions testing station. They first took one of the university's vehicles, a 1991 Chevy C2500 pickup, it registered 430 HC and 2.44 CO. The limit to pass emissions was 220 HC and 1.20 CO. They left the engine running and the tester going and put the MPT disc on the gas tank.. After 7 minutes the HC was down to 110 and the CO was down to 0.04. This was witnessed by 3 university employees including the Shop Foreman who was running the test and two officials from Logan City, one from their fleet management and the other in charge of their environmental dept. They then tested three more vehicles with similar results. The Jeep Cherokee belonging the the City environmental guy actually registered 0 HC and 0.0 CO with the MPT disc. The last vehicle tested was a 86 bronco belonging to one of the mechanics in the USU shop. It had no catalytic converter and registered over 700 HC and 6.8 CO. After 5 minutes with the MPT disc it was passing the emissions test!!

Now I am not a mechanic but these guys were all incredibly impressed by what they witnessed. They told me that there was no other explanation for the change in emissions other than that the disc actually worked.

So much for the Pygmalion Theory.....

Make a deal PM with the names and work numbers so we can confirm this and I will then retract the statement I made. Sorry Birdguy I tend to think that you might be trying to sell these. I am not always right and according to some people on here I am never right but I have a limited background with chemical properties and I hate to say that this does not sound feasible. Also why not send one to me so I can have it tested here as well.
I am sorry if I sound less than convinced it is because I am not even close to convinced. Maybe its the wording of your post, it sounds like an infomercial.

Originally posted by thebirdguy
They told me that there was no other explanation for the change in emissions other than that the disc actually worked.


Well then they're really crappy mechanics, because they should know that as the engine warms up there will be changes in the emissions - especially on the vehicles with catalytic converters.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Well then they're really crappy mechanics, because they should know that as the engine warms up there will be changes in the emissions - especially on the vehicles with catalytic converters.
Wow an attorney and a car guy. ;)

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Well then they're really crappy mechanics, because they should know that as the engine warms up there will be changes in the emissions - especially on the vehicles with catalytic converters.
Yep -- especially if the engine had a problem with flooding or something like that. Then emissions will start off very high, and as the engine clears out, would become normal.

Originally posted by Beirut_Veteran
Wow an attorney and a car guy. ;)

So that makes two things I know about. :)

Originally posted by LionelHutz
So that makes two things I know about. :)
One more than me. :D