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Pepper
02-25-2004, 07:16 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/20/business/20jobs.html?pagewanted=print&position=

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON

Is cooking a hamburger patty and inserting the meat, lettuce and ketchup inside a bun a manufacturing job, like assembling automobiles?

That question is posed in the new Economic Report of the President, a thick annual compendium of observations and statistics on the health of the United States economy.

The latest edition, sent to Congress last week, questions whether fast-food restaurants should continue to be counted as part of the service sector or should be reclassified as manufacturers. No answers were offered.

In a speech to Washington economists Tuesday, N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, said that properly classifying such workers was "an important consideration" in setting economic policy.

Counting jobs at McDonald's, Burger King and other fast-food enterprises alongside those at industrial companies like General Motors and Eastman Kodak might seem like a stretch, akin to classifying ketchup in school lunches as a vegetable, as was briefly the case in a 1981 federal regulatory proposal.

But the presidential report points out that the current system for classifying jobs "is not straightforward." The White House drew a box around the section so it would stand out among the 417 pages of statistics.

"When a fast-food restaurant sells a hamburger, for example, is it providing a 'service' or is it combining inputs to 'manufacture' a product?" the report asks.

"Sometimes, seemingly subtle differences can determine whether an industry is classified as manufacturing. For example, mixing water and concentrate to produce soft drinks is classified as manufacturing. However, if that activity is performed at a snack bar, it is considered a service."

The report notes that the Census Bureau's North American Industry Classification System defines manufacturing as covering enterprises "engaged in the mechanical, physical or chemical transformation of materials, substances or components into new products."

Classifications matter, the report says, because among other things, they can affect which businesses receive tax relief. "Suppose it was decided to offer tax relief to manufacturing firms," the report said. "Because the manufacturing category is not well defined, firms would have an incentive to characterize themselves as in manufacturing. Administering the tax relief could be difficult, and the tax relief may not extend to the firms for which it was enacted."

David Huether, chief economist for the National Association of Manufacturers, said he had heard that some economists wanted to count hamburger flipping as manufacturing, which he noted would produce statistics showing more jobs in what has been a declining sector of the economy.

"The question is: If you heat the hamburger up are you chemically transforming it?" Mr. Huether said.

His answer? No.

Travh20
02-25-2004, 10:15 PM
any way you can think of to difuse the terrible news of jobs being created huh pepper? a bunch of liberal word play and manufactured "experts". its boring. you guys just cant stand to see any stats on the economy improving can you?

Pepper
02-26-2004, 01:46 PM
It isn't liberal wordplay. This is a presidential report.

Did you read the article?

Vilepagan
02-26-2004, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
you guys just cant stand to see any stats on the economy improving can you?

Factual statistics showing economic improvement are always welcome Trav, but if these "improvements" are just changes in the way the data is gathered and no jobs are really being created, then I want to know that too. Unlike you I don't think the government is above manipulating statistics to make themselves look better.

WindWip
02-26-2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
any way you can think of to difuse the terrible news of jobs being created huh pepper?
This isn't over the economy. It's over improper labeling. You can't tell me you actually believe that throwing a burger together is a manufacturing job?

LionelHutz
02-26-2004, 05:30 PM
Note that the report is asking for feedback on changing the classification, not actually making the change.

Travh20
02-26-2004, 06:09 PM
then if this is true go back and alter all the job creation tsatistics from clinton and bush and reagan and all the others. dont all of a sudden decide when its convienient to start such a line of questioning. was every job clinton "created" a 100,000 dollar a year computer job? no. the context of the stats are way out of line. it is just another attempt to fool dim people with big word and big stats that dont mean shit into thinking george bush is evil. the media machine strikes again.