Today on "Meet the Press" Ralph Nader announced his intention to run for President in 2004 as an Independent candidate. Many groups who supported him in his 2000 bid for the presidency had asked him not to run in the belief that his candidacy will increase the liklihood that Bush will be re-elected. I personally don't think he has a chance in hell of winning, and his candidacy can only hurt the democratic party, however I think the damage will be minimal because I believe Nader will get few votes.

Nader is an idiot. Bush is now guaranteed to win by 3 votes

Originally posted by DrewM
Nader is an idiot. Bush is now guaranteed to win by 3 votes

I thought Bush was going to win by a landslide ;)

Nader's run is the best thing that could have happened in '04. Dems will now flock to the polls to revenge '00. This looks like a play from the book of the 'Big Dawg'.

'sides, Judge Moore is going to run also. He will syphon off 2% of the gop vote same as Nader syphons off 2% of the dem vote (if they get on the ballot).

Dop the scumster

LOL, sure Dop, you went from Nader not running as the reason for a guarenteed dem ladslide to nader running being the best thing that could happen if the 04 election. you are so confused you dont even know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Today on "Meet the Press" Ralph Nader announced his intention to run for President in 2004 as an Independent candidate. Many groups who supported him in his 2000 bid for the presidency had asked him not to run in the belief that his candidacy will increase the liklihood that Bush will be re-elected. I personally don't think he has a chance in hell of winning, and his candidacy can only hurt the democratic party, however I think the damage will be minimal because I believe Nader will get few votes.

How do you call yourself a Libertarian?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I hate this attitude that we should limit our candidates to two parties for fear of detracting votes from one of the two major parties.

Whatever happened to giving voters as many options as possible? God knows we need it, since Bush is as bad, if not worse, than a Democrat when it comes to balooning the national budget.

Vote for who you think should be president, not who you think needs it the most.

A world of pure realism yields lukewarm results.

Trav

Keep in mind that nader provides a nice alternative to repulicans that are shopping around for a candidate other than bush. All in all, his running can only help the dems. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Keep in mind that nader provides a nice alternative to repulicans that are shopping around for a candidate other than bush.

In what world is Nader a nice alternative for republicans??? The Libertarian party is a nice alternative for republicans. Nader is a nice alternative for Kucinich backers.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Trav

Keep in mind that nader provides a nice alternative to repulicans that are shopping around for a candidate other than bush. All in all, his running can only help the dems. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Dop
now u are just straight lying. I know you like to spin everything to fit your arguments, but honestly, do you think anyone believes that nader running is actually going to HELP the dems? I know you think we are stupid but come on, we are not dead.

I'm talking about the paleocons not the neocons.

Very few kucinich backers will vote for nader ... this is the year of ABB and dems are backing whoever gets the nod. Period.

Dop

I bet he's just running to boost his superior ego.

Let him run -- like who cares -- he's yesterday's news and yesterday's garbage.

Here's the real deal -- the poll numbers from NH (a state GWB took in '00) has his approval rating at 47% and kerry beating him by 15 points and edwards beats him by 14 points.

Let a hundred naders run -- it isn't going to matter -- either gwb wins in a landslide or the dem wins in a landslide. No more winning by one vote (supreme court 5-4).

It's the year of the neocon versus the year of ABB. Bring 'em on.

Dop

http://www.thechamplainchannel.com/wnne/2858932/detail.html

dop forgot to note the nervous laughter throughout his post. when someone puts all of thier faith in polls, they are not very certain about anything, and when they bring up the past, they are even less certain. dop, nem and shaman say they are so sure of a buh defeat, nd make usre to list the resons in meticulous detail, but people that are actually so sure of something dont spend all their time convincing everyone why they are so sure

Vote for who you think should be president, not who you think needs it the most.
In almost any other election that is the right way to think, but right now you need to understand how the votes are going to turn out.
The possible outcomes are Bush or Kerry, there is no way in hell that Nader can win.
You realize that Bush is worse than Kerry it seems, so why risk the damage that Bush will guarantee us as opposed to a shot at a good president with Kerry.

In general, GOPs will not vote for Nader, Dems will. The whole anti large corporations and the pro environment are not GOP concerns, they are Dem concerns.

Agree Nader would never get any votes from the neocon republicans who will stick with GWB forever but he could possibly get some of the 'paleocon' republican votes. I know it's more reasonable they would vote libertarian but there is a fundamental appeal to a guy (campaign) like naders.

In order for any 3rd party to be a meaningful and threatening party they must take 5% of the vote in the general election. That makes them eligible for matching funds and probably gets them on all the debates no problem. IOW, it gives them the same stage as the 2 big candidates.

Now, when voters pick a candidate for protest reasons, they look to the ones that can gain that stage I mentioned and nader stands out as the only 3rd party candidate with any kind of a chance at all. The platform and agenda of the candidate doesn't matter cause the voter knows he doesn't have a prayer of winning.

As far as dems going over to nader -- not much chance of that this time -- it's the year of ABB and the dems are united on this from coast to coast.

Dop

Originally posted by WindWip
The whole anti large corporations and the pro environment are not GOP concerns, they are Dem concerns.

and national security and morality are generaly not dem concerns, they are republican concerns.

Well, national security to what extent? To what we have now? That is too much. I am not going to label all republicans as that ignorant. Many agree that we have much to large a military budget.

Morality??? Come on, that is as wide a catagory as it gets. What about the environment, is it moral to let it die off?

What I said earlier was not a blow to GOP, no need to get all defensive about it. I agree with the non-monopoly large corporations, I care less for workers than for the economy as a whole. I am not a full democrat, so don't think you need to refute everything I say.

As far as dems going over to nader -- not much chance of that this time -- it's the year of ABB and the dems are united on this from coast to coast.
Well I hope your right. It still pisses me off that Nader has so little respect for the damage he dealt last time and is doing the same thing again.

Nader is on the gop payroll -- in fact the gop announced today that they would start running Nader ads in key dem areas. He's a puppet on a string. Remind you of anyone else?

Dop

ya, the democrat puppets ross Perot and Pat Buchannon right?

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Nader is on the gop payroll -- in fact the gop announced today that they would start running Nader ads in key dem areas. He's a puppet on a string. Remind you of anyone else?

Dop

Actually you might be refering to a tactic the republicans used to discredit gore in 2000.

I have found nothing so far to state that the GOP will be running nader ads.

From Nader's response it sounds like he'll be really going after bush, don't know if the GOP would want that msg out on the tube.

Originally posted by WindWip
Well I hope your right. It still pisses me off that Nader has so little respect for the damage he dealt last time and is doing the same thing again.

He didn't do the damage, Harris and Jeb were the culprits of criminal activity in Florida. http://www.unprecedented.org/

More democrats voted for bush in Florida, then democrats voted for Nader. Almost half the votes in this country were for Bush, go after these people. They are the one's screwing things up. They created the damage.

ANd there is now doubt that today the democratic candidates are more progressive because of Nader's run in 2000.

Again in 7 states were Nader was not on the ballot, all went to Bush. Why couldn't Gore win one state where Nader wasn't a factor...because he wasn't a factor.

its all an eloborate set of excuses laid out in order to justify their attempt to change the election results in court if they happen to lose. These radical dems on this board are hysterical spaztics who would contradict themselves mid sentance if a blurb appeard on the TV screen telling them to do so. Look at the Nader story. tehy were all saying that the fact Nader wasnt running was the proof Bush would be crushed in November, 10 seconds after the announcement it turns out Nader wont really be a factor if he does run, and in fact, get this, will actually HELP the democrat cause? LMFAO thses guys are like the keystone cops running into each other and shit

Take care who you quote there. You are taking an extremist's word and expecting that to be the word of all dems. You should realize that is not how it works, especially for how much you criticize them on being hysterical, spaztical, radical dems.

I truly am sorry i fit appeared I was lumping you in with those clowns and apologize.

My heartfelt thanks :)

we already got the three stooges- dop, nem and shaman, I never meant to imply there was a 4th. again, sorry, seriously, no sarcasm itended.

Even the greens don't want Nader -- BWAhahahahahaha

They want to remove Bush just like the rest of the sane people in the country. LMAO.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0223-03.htm

Dop

god your a freaking idiot dop.