While zipping around the web, I found this article. Though to be honest, in my mind, the jury is definately still out on Muslims. But this piece does give hope that we can have cordial relationships to muslims. In one of these lifetimes anyway.


Do muslims hate us? (http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/4/230814.shtml)

Interesting article Darth. I think it's pretty obvious that all muslims do not hate the U.S. I do believe that we have a lot to learn about how to get along in that part of the world. We were attacked on 9/11 primarily because we had troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. The history that the west has of dealing with the arab world is primarily a military one. Changing that attitude should be one of our priorities. We must put forward a collosal effort to change our economies' reliance on fossil fuels so we can drastically reduce our reliance on oil from the Middle East.

In fact an intersting question would be : why do people think that muslims hate the USA (I suppose that the "Us" of your question means "the USA").
9-11 ? I don't see why the act of a few dozen of people would show the hatred of 1 billion.
War ? No muslim country ever attacked the USA.

Originally posted by astrapol2
In fact an intersting question would be : why do people think that muslims hate the USA (I suppose that the "Us" of your question means "the USA").
9-11 ? I don't see why the act of a few dozen of people would show the hatred of 1 billion.
War ? No muslim country ever attacked the USA. Ok...So what you are saying is that the American people are being paranoid about the sense of hostility coming from the group that murdered 3000+ of our citizens? Yes, im sure that not every muslim hates americans. But here's a little information for you. Not all americans hate muslims. Why does it seem as though you are quick to defend any anti-american sentiment? Do you even know how biased you are?

Originally posted by HaVoK
Ok...So what you are saying is that the American people are being paranoid about the sense of hostility coming from the group that murdered 3000+ of our citizens? Yes, im sure that not every muslim hates americans. But here's a little information for you. Not all americans hate muslims. Why does it seem as though you are quick to defend any anti-american sentiment? Do you even know how biased you are?

No,Havok, I never said that the american people are paranoid, and not more that they hate muslims. I absolutely do not think that any of these statements is true (OK, maybe about the paranoid thing… ;)). I was just questioning the validity of this issue, that presents as obvious something wich is far from obvious : that all muslims hate the USA.

And, as far as I know, the definition of muslim is not "group who murdered 3000+ of our citizen". This would better apply to "Al Quaeda", which is not precisely synonym of "Islam".

Originally posted by astrapol2
No,Havok, I never said that the american people are paranoid, and not more that they hate muslims. I absolutely do not think that any of these statements is true (OK, maybe about the paranoid thing… ;)). I was just questioning the validity of this issue, that presents as obvious something wich is far from obvious : that all muslims hate the USA.

And, as far as I know, the definition of muslim is not "group who murdered 3000+ of our citizen". This would better apply to "Al Quaeda", which is not precisely synonym of "Islam". I want labeling any group. I just said the group that murdered our citizens. Yes, they were muslim. They were also extremists. So i apologize for not being more clear for you. I just dont think that the majority of americans hates all muslims for the actions of 9/11. Just those violent groups that draw all the media attention.

Do the muslims hate us

I don't give a sh**, a human is a human, if one group can look at another and say I hate you because you are a __________ then the person is not using any reason. Now if the French say they hate us{America} because we went to war {I still wouldn't give a sh** :D } they atleast would have a reason. These extremist just like war and they feel power when they can terrorize others.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Interesting article Darth. I think it's pretty obvious that all muslims do not hate the U.S. I do believe that we have a lot to learn about how to get along in that part of the world. We were attacked on 9/11 primarily because we had troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. The history that the west has of dealing with the arab world is primarily a military one. Changing that attitude should be one of our priorities. We must put forward a collosal effort to change our economies' reliance on fossil fuels so we can drastically reduce our reliance on oil from the Middle East.

the funny thing is, that people say poverty in teh mid east is one of the reasons there are so many terrorists there. If they were to lose their one and only source of income, that being mainly american money spent on their oil that they happen to live on top of, how is that going to deter any terrorists? this is just for arguments sake, I also agree we need to drop the arab oil fix and get our own or find a new source of energy. it is really a no win situation if you believe the poverty line. we stay and the dictators keep the money and shaft the people, we pull out and the whole place falls apart completly becasue they have absolutly nothing to fall back on. tell me, besides barrels of oil, what does any middle east country produce that is purchased by us or any other industrialized nation? besides the fact that lots of dinosaurs and plants died where they live what do they do for the world or produce besides terrorists?

Saudi Arabai is not precisely a poor country. The average income per capita is in fact much bigger than in USA or Europe. And it is from Saudi Arabia that international ("Al Queada" terrorism originates.
It is true that in many countrie oil is the only resource. But far from benefiting to the population it is often a plague since it makes their country a battlefield where only a few dicators or foreign companies make billions while most people have their lives ruined by war/dictature/pollution. Even when the things are not so bad, the local economy hardly benefits from oil.