It's right-around-the-corner, folks.......maybe, in 2005......they promise!!!!! :rolleyes:

1. Layoffs (http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/business/7816037.htm)

2. Layoffs (http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm18142_20040127.htm)

3. Layoffs (http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2795134/detail.html)

4. Layoffs (http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?StoryId=CqbDb0eidDxmTA3jHzNq)

Whew!!!! Good thing there's no SEX, in the Whitehouse!!! Then Lil' Dumbya would really be in trouble!!!!!!!!! :eek:

dont you have anything better to do with your time then compile far flung articles about who is laying people off?

I really dont think this is a subject any conservative can honestly defend. The economy sucks. Plain and simple. For the most part, we are still suffering from the backlash of 9/11. Then add to that the debt that fighting a two front battle is costing us. It doesnt look good. I know that the economy is supposedly on some sort of upswing, but you cant tell it from where i live. Every day another company lays people off. Unemployment is soaring. My sales numbers are horrible because no one is building anything. It's not very pretty right now.

Uh, wanna buy a house? Intrest rates are at 4%...

Originally posted by Blibblob
Uh, wanna buy a house? Intrest rates are at 4%...
If The Idiot Son is re-elected, they're gonna be a whole, lot less expensive, due to the economy forcing record mortgage-forclosures......just like his Daddy managed to do! :mad:

......cracker please?

Not to stick my nose in...but I work for an upstate NY title company and you ARE SO RIGHT -- if it weren't for mortgage and tax foreclosures right now, we'd be so SLOW we'd have to bring cards and puzzle books to work just to pass the time. Refys are done and over with - the interest rates are on the rise...but so is everything else. If you received a raise last year (if you were lucky enough to hold on your job) the raise was sucked up in highly increased gas prices, real estate taxes, insurance, healthcare costs, dental bills, etc. WHEN WILL IT EVER END?

*Shhh...I'm a republican* I'M SO SICK OF THIS CRAP! AND, I DIDN'T vote for DUBYA!

Originally posted by saycricket
Not to stick my nose in...but I work for an upstate NY title company and you ARE SO RIGHT -- if it weren't for mortgage and tax foreclosures right now, we'd be so SLOW we'd have to bring cards and puzzle books to work just to pass the time. Refys are done and over with - the interest rates are on the rise...but so is everything else. If you received a raise last year (if you were lucky enough to hold on your job) the raise was sucked up in highly increased gas prices, real estate taxes, insurance, healthcare costs, dental bills, etc. WHEN WILL IT EVER END?
Don't hold your breath......ESPECIALLY if Lil' DUMBYA is re-elected!!!!!!!!! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4326-2004Feb1.html?nav=hptoc_eo)

"The Brookings report, edited by Alice Rivlin and Isabel Sawhill, takes the smaller deficit figure as its challenge. Balancing the budget would save about $153 billion in interest costs, leaving a $534 billion gap to be made up by cutting spending or raising taxes. How to get there? The smaller-government plan entails cuts of a magnitude unthinkable to even the most conservative members of Congress. It would wipe out all federal spending for elementary and secondary education, for housing and urban development, for environmental protection and for state and local law enforcement -- and even then would require $134 billion in new taxes to achieve balance."

Looks like Lil' Dumbya is about to have his "Read My Lips"-moment!!! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by saycricket
*Shhh...I'm a republican* I'M SO SICK OF THIS CRAP! AND, I DIDN'T vote for DUBYA!
It's probably time for another 1%er SLAP-DOWN!! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4124-2004Feb1.html?nav=hptoc_b)

"The leftward shift on trade is only part of a rising message of economic populism in the race for the Democratic nomination. With chronic manufacturing job losses and geographic pockets of economic uncertainty, Democrats have been quick to ratify concerns over foreign competition and global trade liberalization as they hammer away at what Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) has called "powerful interests," "influence peddlers" and "Benedict Arnold CEOs."

Every Democratic candidate had proposed raising taxes on the wealthy; retired Army Gen. Wesley J. Clark would increase the top 35 percent tax bracket by nearly 10 percentage points, to a level not seen in two decades. And each has excoriated corporate interests for what they see as self-enrichment at the expense of the national interest. "

do you ever post anything you actually thought of with your own sputtering brain power?

Originally posted by Travh20
do you ever post anything you actually thought of with your own sputtering brain power?

At least he posts something other than an insult. Do you have any arguments to suggest that the economy is improving? With your "brain power" you ought to be able to come up with something Trav.

There is nothing he could say that would not get shot out of the water in a second. There is no valid defense to our economy!

Originally posted by Vilepagan
At least he posts something other than an insult. Do you have any arguments to suggest that the economy is improving? With your "brain power" you ought to be able to come up with something Trav.

ya, shaman never insults me :rolleyes:

1 (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a0T9PJhsYAMw&refer=top_world_news#)

2 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110165,00.html)

3 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110156,00.html)

4 (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Business/ap20040202_1162.html)


just a few I came across with little to no effort, it seems you have to make an effort to actually believe the ecomomy is actually falling. either that or be a bush hating demcrat bent on a return to pwer at any cost. Really though, I am not saying the economy is booming, but come on, it isnt going down, it is going up.
5 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4106255/)

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It might be going up 2 points on NASDAQ, but our economy is still in the shithole. Not to mention our debt. These are not good things, you cannot convince anyone of that and you will find no statistics which will tell you that we are out of debt with a good economy.

LOL, OK. you guys asked for proof, i gave it to you. Vilepagan wanted proof the economy was improving and he got it. I cant help it if you guys are blinded by hate and only believe what you want to believe. if you dont like the answers dont ask the questions.

Originally posted by WindWip
These are not good things, you cannot convince anyone of that and you will find no statistics which will tell you that we are out of debt with a good economy.
......Especially when you consider Lil' Dumbya's smaller, leaner government has turned-into one serious LARD-A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7234-2004Feb2.html)

"Having presided over record deficits, the administration now wants to claim credit if it manages to cut the bloated number in half. Imagine someone who's been piling on extra pounds at an alarming rate. Trimming his annual weight gain from 30 pounds this year to 15 pounds five years from now still leaves him fat -- and getting fatter. The goal shouldn't be to cut the deficit in half; it should be to remedy the gap between what the government is spending and what it is taking in. To keep running up these deficits is to stick future generations with a tab they won't be able to afford."

Trav, you CAN'T be serious in thinking that the economy is REALLY on the upswing. It's all a bunch of propaganda put out by Bush's government (much like the WMD intel) to help him win this year!
(IMO!)

As I said, I didn't vote for Bush in the beginning because he avoided ANSWERING any questions in the debates. He just fluffed off some of the questions with fluff answers. Now, he's fluffing us.

Lemme tell ya, in my area, this fluffing ain't feelin' soo good!

*Sorry if I ruffled your fluffy feathers* ;)

you people ae truly pathetic. shut the hell up and deal with it. quit posting idiotic links and passing everything that doesnt fit your game plan as propaganda. I know any good news about the countrys actually starting to do better really makes you ill, but not everyone gets pissed and starts pointing fingers when they hear that someting good might be happening for this country. I guess only the true patriots wish for finacial woes and failing wars.

A'hem....I see the feathers are ruffled. It is beyond me why you still stand behind that man...but that is your choice. However, take a look at this article and tell me the economy and our deficit are wonderful...I dare you.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040202/D80F8G1G0.html

"This administration pledged that its tax cuts and policy choices would not turn record surpluses into record deficits, but this budget shows that's exactly what's happened," said Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle.

And DON'T blame the deficit on the War. Blame the WAR on BUSH.

when did I ever say they were wonderful? Someone asked me to show them that the economy was improving so i did. if you think every single person in the financial realm is involved in some sort of conspiracy to fool America thats your problem.

Originally posted by saycricket
"This administration pledged that its tax cuts and policy choices would not turn record surpluses into record deficits, but this budget shows that's exactly what's happened," said Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle.

And DON'T blame the deficit on the War. Blame the WAR on BUSH.

yes, radical islamists flying airplanes into giant building in NYC and DC killing thousands of Americans had nothing to do with any of this.

I'm not convinced that the radical islamists had anything to do with the war in Iraq. WAR in Iraq is quite different than finding and bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice. I think we're talking about 2 different things here....which seems to have been a root of the WAR problem all along.

Sorry for my delay in responding, I've been working on yet ANOTHER mortgage foreclosure file.

However, take a look at this article and tell me the economy and our deficit are wonderful...I dare you.

My fault completely. In my haste, I inserted the word "wonderful" - go figure. Perhaps the word "improving" would be more suited here. :p

Originally posted by saycricket
A'hem....I see the feathers are ruffled. It is beyond me why you still stand behind that man...but that is your choice. However, take a look at this article and tell me the economy and our deficit are wonderful...I dare you.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040202/D80F8G1G0.html

That's the budget, not the economy. While one affects the other, they're not the same thing. A balanced budget doesn't magically create a good economy.

Originally posted by saycricket
Trav, you CAN'T be serious in thinking that the economy is REALLY on the upswing. It's all a bunch of propaganda put out by Bush's government (much like the WMD intel) to help him win this year!

BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3452651.stm)
International Herald Tribune (http://www.iht.com/articles/127381.html)
Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newswire/2004/01/30/rtr1235999.html)

well, it is called a war on terror, not a war on Osama bin Laden. the goal is to eliminate threats to the United states before they have a chance to do to us what happened to us 9-11-01. We admit we were to lax pre 9-11, (everyone, not just GW) and now we have decided to be more pro active in stopping terrorism before it starts. So, saddam was no friend of ours, in fact he hated us more than anyone, and as you know, was not above using unconventional tactics to deal with those who stood in his way or confronted him. He had to step down or go down, he chose th latter. he could have steped aside and gone into exile but didnt. Now if it makes you feel better we will more than likely be taking out a few more dictators before its all over, I know you are all itching to go into N Korea, as it ws all you brought up when the war started "why dont we go into north korea?" the leftists kept asking. Well my war mongeing friends, i am sure N korea weill be dealt with in due time, but please, one nation at a time if possible. And as far as Osama, he will get his. Its not easy finding one man in the whole world.

Originally posted by saycricket
As I said, I didn't vote for Bush in the beginning because he avoided ANSWERING any questions in the debates. He just fluffed off some of the questions with fluff answers. Now, he's fluffing us.
I can't wait for the Kerry/Bush debate!!!!!!!!! :D

Whenever Lil' Dumbya goes into his cross-eyed "I'm thinkin......I'm thinkin'"-mode, the entire country is gonna hit-the-floor......laughin' like Hell!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

John Kerry will tear him UP!!!!!!:D :D

Originally posted by Travh20
yes, radical islamists flying airplanes into giant building in NYC and DC killing thousands of Americans had nothing to do with any of this.
Ah, yes........another of Lil' Dumbya's oil-deals, gone bad!!!!!!!!! (http://www.rense.com/general17/before.htm) :eek: :eek:

Has he (ever) done anything, successfully????????????? (http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#insider) :confused: :confused:

<I mean......besides rippin' people off??????? (http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1992/09/bushboys.html)> :confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by LionelHutz
That's the budget, not the economy. While one affects the other, they're not the same thing. A balanced budget doesn't magically create a good economy.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You WI$H!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/27/clinton.surplus/index.html) :D :D

Here!! I gue$$ you didn't hear about it!! (http://www.kellysite.net/taxes.html)

I think it's (still) called fiscal-responsibility........but, that's been so long ago........:confused:

Originally posted by Travh20
well, it is called a war on terror, not a war on Osama bin Laden.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And.......it's a DAMNED, GOOD THING!!!!!! :p :p :p

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well that seems to be all you liberals want to do, catch Osama and call it a day.

FIRST: ARE YOU PEOPLE CRAZY??
That's the budget, not the economy. While one affects the other, they're not the same thing. A balanced budget doesn't magically create a good economy.

It makes me think of this: You have $35,000 in available credit on your credit cards. You lose your job. You use the $35K to live on to make your payments, etc. on time and buy food, etc. Your creditors are thinking you're wonderful because your mortgage, car pyt, etc. are being made on time. They think you have a good "economy"!

BUT, YOU ARE STILL IN THE FRIGGIN' HOLE and it will take you one helluva long time to dig yourself out - especially without someone/something's help. ARE YOU PROMOTING A GOOD BUDGET? NO! ARE YOU FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE? NO! Are you trying to be? Probably. But with 'W' in office, there are no jobs out there in order to dig yourself outta the hole anyway!!

SECOND:
well that seems to be all you liberals want to do, catch Osama and call it a day.

WTF is wrong with THAT? Excuse me if I've been reading newspapers and hearing broadcasts from a different planet, uh, but wasn't he the start of this whole flippin' war thing?! Place the blame where blame needs to be placed -- don't stray from the key in all of this!

SURE, Saddam MAY have been involved in WMD (?) and may have been promoting terrorism, and may have been an all around asshole, BUT, am I dreaming or was it members of Osama's group "Al-Quaida" (the "radical islamists") who flew the planes into the WTC in the first place? :mad: Sure Saddam could have gone into exile -- so can you -- but you won't because you think you're RIGHT. Same goes for him. WHY bother? Instead wait for the USA to destroy your country on the assumption that you are harboring WMD. I'm NOT saying that he didn't deserve it! I'm saying it could have waited until Osama was brought down. Why put too many irons in the fire and not be able to complete anything??

All the republican excuses for the economy, deficit, war, etc. are so sickening and pathetic. Play the blame game, pass the buck, accept no responsibility. For those of us who had a good idea that the economy and deficit would wind up in the shitter in 2000, we CAN stand back and say I told you so.

And, in case you hadn't noticed - WE ARE!! :D

beleive me, all you are good at is saying "see I told you so", becasue thats all you have. Your big plan is to repeal the tax cuts and pull out of Iraq? that s what it sounds like, well that will do exactly nothing to fix anything. The problem is that you guys have no ideas, only the shakey "see I told you so". And I love how you always say how bad it was to go into iraq but then attach the standard disclaimer "I'm NOT saying that he didn't deserve it!", well if he deserved it WTF are you bitching about? That we didnt get the approval of Old Europe and the American nay sayers first? if we waited for that to happen saddam would still be in power, the idiot democrats would be saying GW isnt doing enough to combat terror and blah blah blah. Your political games are played man. So tell me, what exactly would you do to fix all the woes of society? raise taxes? Bring all the boys home and baricade ourselves within the country? Ask the French and germans if its OK if we protect ourselves? I have yet to hear one solution to anything the dems bitch about, not one!

I'm saying it could have waited until Osama was brought down. Why put too many irons in the fire and not be able to complete anything??

Where was the imminent threat that Saddam posed? Was it imminent enough to warrant a full fledged WAR while we still had to find Osama and HIS group that tore our country apart?

God, Man, we still don't have Osama! THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST MISSION! Hell, whatshisname in N. Korea has nukes pointed at the good ol' USA and we still let him get by...

WHY don't we start barricading ourselves in our own country and keeping our noses out of everything else -- Canada isn't too bad off - especially their HEALTHCARE! You don't see nukes pointed at Canada, nor do you see terrorists destroying their country.

I guess I'd better get ready to read the rebuttals, rebuttals and more rebuttals.

Originally posted by saycricket
Where was the imminent threat that Saddam posed? Was it imminent enough to warrant a full fledged WAR while we still had to find Osama and HIS group that tore our country apart?

So a guy has to be standing over your broken body ready to shoot you in the head for him to be a threat? or can he be a threat when he is at the gun store buying the gun he plans to shoot you with? And I know you dont have faith in ou country ability to pull off anything, but I know that this is the country that defeated germany and japan at the same time and went to the moon while fighting in vietnam. The only reason it wouldnt be possible is becasue our military and intelligence apparatus is still trying to recover from the gutting and neglect they recieved in the last administration.

Originally posted by saycricket God, Man, we still don't have Osama! THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST MISSION! Hell, whatshisname in N. Korea has nukes pointed at the good ol' USA and we still let him get by... [/B]

I remember all the libs screaming "we havent even found saddam yet!" and when we did find him the avalanche of lame accusations and eye rolling by the left started in ernest. what will the excuse be when we do find Osama? Oh you jsut posted it, that the wack job in N Korea is still there. Let me ask you, are you insinuating we invade N Korea? If so I will back you on that.

Originally posted by saycricket WHY don't we start barricading ourselves in our own country and keeping our noses out of everything else -- Canada isn't too bad off - especially their HEALTHCARE! You don't see nukes pointed at Canada, nor do you see terrorists destroying their country.[/B]

sounds like your living in the wrong country, maybe you should consider moving to the promise land of canada.

Originally posted by saycricket I guess I'd better get ready to read the rebuttals, rebuttals and more rebuttals. [/B]

well, that is the point of a forum is it not?

What is the point of attacking all these other countries? This isn't helping our country and we CAN'T fix every country in the world. We can't remove all the dictators and we should not be a self proclaimed global police force, or we will be in the same position as a dictator. Albeit we may have better intentions, the position is the same and it could easily shift.

Now, give me the reasons for why the people who hate us actually hate us. I can assure you that they are all because the US is putting their troops all over the planet or because we are interferring with other countries in one way or another.

Travh, you say we should invade N Korea. They have nukes. That nutcase would shoot those nukes and a whole shitload of ppl would die. I would be the first to move to Canada if you were in power.

I remember all the libs screaming "we havent even found saddam yet!" and when we did find him the avalanche of lame accusations and eye rolling by the left started in ernest. what will the excuse be when we do find Osama?
Finding Saddam did nothing. The country was already in ruins and the resistance had all but died, excluding a few radicals.
Finding Osama will do nothing. There is no reason it should. We already took out their base of operations.
Excuses for what? What lame accusations?

And I know you dont have faith in ou country ability to pull off anything, but I know that this is the country that defeated germany and japan at the same time and went to the moon while fighting in vietnam.
I know how you hate to hear that we had and have allies, but we took out Japan and Germany with help from allies. And as for vietnam, yes we were fighting then, but we all but lost. That does not prove that we can multitask effectively, that is a point against it actually.

First of all, without us the British would have folded in no time. The russians would ahve held out but not for long, since with out us there was not a threat of a second front in western europe, so hitler could have concentrated all his forces against russia nad won. he was very near a victory as it was in the east, and thsoe extra forces tied down defending western europe would have tilted the balance in germanys favor. As far as japan goes, we pretty much did take them out ourselves, the nationalist chinnese helped out a lot, the british helped out, but we are the ones who defeated them. I am not down playing all that our allies did in WW2, because without them it wouldnt have been possible.

We could have won in vietnam if the idiot peace protestors didnt side with the communists and if the politcians didnt try to run the war form washington with one hand tied around their balls. Vietnam proves that there is no way to fight a nice war, or politically correct way to fight a war, its either a war or its not.
if anyhting about this new war resembles vietnam its the idiot protestors stabbing our soldiers in the back while they do their job.